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I'm confused. You guys had to empty your camelback before entry? Not only did this never happen to me - I was also never searched. A couple times they felt camelback (I guess looking for bottles), but thats it. never hadto open my bag, never was patted down. And many times I was just waved in through without anything at all. I was VIP this year - is this a VIP perk? Last year I wasn't VIP and I was patted down and backpack searched every time.
I can't say in general, but I know the searches I got the year I had a VIP wristband were easily the lightest ones of my Bonnaroo experiences.
The difference in security check going in the VIP entrance compared to GA was very noticeable. When going in the VIP entrance near the arch, I'd typically just have to open a couple of zippers on my Camelbak (conveniently the one with Gold Bond and Vaseline is always the first one I open to let them know I'm here to party) and they'd hardly look in and let me in.
When I'd use the entrance in the back right corner of the What field, I'd have to use the GA security, and it was much more thorough. I didn't really care, because the only thing I ever sneak in are a couple of professional camera lenses. But I saw one kid walk up to the security guy, and the first thing security said while opening the guy's Camelbak was "how much weed do you have in here?"
Interesting. Yeah, I was GA, and the first time I went in, I was searched and only at the very end of the search did security tell me I had to empty my Camelbak. So I had to get out of the security line, empty it, and then get searched all over again. Other times I just went it with it empty since they were yelling on the megaphone to do so, but every time, they looked in to make sure it was empty.
Most of the security people I encountered were very thorough--much more than they've ever been. They were squeezing used Kleenexes to make sure nothing was in them (ugh, nothing was except black snot, lol), squeezing my sunblock bottle, checking under my Camelbak bladder, etc. Very odd, especially with my age and general appearance. (Not that searches should be inconsistent depending upon appearance--they shouldn't--but they usually are and last year the searches were cursory for me.)
I want to address many of the "issues" people had with the festival this year. I attended in 2009, 2014, and 2015, this was my favorite year of the three.
Bonnaroo is what you make it plain and simple. If you are looking to find things that piss you off you will find them very easily. If you are unprepared the chances of you being uncomfortable or missing out on something will be significantly higher.
Keep in mind these are my opinions based on my experiences.
Security getting into the festival was the most lax I have seen it. It took me 50 minutes from the time I got in line to the time my vehicle was parked. This is compared to 3 hours in 2009 and 5 hours in 2014. Each year it was around 6 am on Thursday morning. Security getting into centeroo was the most lax I had seen it before. Not one was I asked to dump my water although others in my group were forced to. This was easily remedied since there were water stations right by both entrances. I brought some booze with me every time and never had it confiscated.
I am against totems, but I am understanding of them especially when they are high enough that they don't block people's views. In the pit I saw security make people take them down. This was great because those had the greatest opportunity to block views.
I had previously never been in the pit for a show. I don't even know if they had it in 2009 and 2014 I always figured I was too late. This year I got into pit for 4 shows without ever getting in line more than 20 minutes earlier. What pit was my favorite place I have seen a show at roo. Blocking the sun during the day was a huge plus. To the people that wait five plus hours to hold a pit spot you are a lunatic. That is the exact reason these acts have headlining tours where only they play.
I didn't attend a comedy show this year but from what my sister told me it was even easier than 2014 so I'll take her word for it.
To the people that got robbed I realize this is a shitty thing, but for the most part is preventable. I had a backpack taken from outside by tent in 2009 on Saturday during the day while I was taking a nap in the tent. I had a disposable camera with a bunch of pictures that was the only item I was upset about. First try to limit the amount of valuables you bring with. If it's not on the farm it can't be stolen. Next lock up as much as you can in your car. From what I've heard most items were outside that got swiped. At the very least put things away in your tent.
If you missed slayer because you relied on the printed schedule that is on you. There were Schedules setup throughout centeroo with the correct times of of each set and correct on the website. This was also beat to death in the schedule thread.
Getting upset over a mediocre billy Joel set makes you look like an entitled asshole. While not his best performance it was definitely in his range of quality. For me it went Bruce > Elton > Joel for the old guy headliners. If you left because you thought the set list was boring you really messed up because everyone should have known he would save the hits for the end. Overall the oldies headliners are a great part of the festival and put nice closure to the event.
Not being able to walk under the arch is such a non-issue. Security let my whole group take a shot under it so I had no problem there.
Water was abundant and cold. If you don't like the taste grow up or buy bottled water. I'll keep drinking and enjoying the free stuff.
I heard a girl say on Thursday that the vibez just went the same this year. Not sure how you make make that kind of conclusion after 6 hours.
There were tons of toilets that were well maintained. I never waited over 15 minutes in line. There was one place that had urinals and I think those should be included in every bathroom area.
I agree that which should be utilized on Thursday even if it's only for two shows. It would greatly spread out the action.
Overall attendance felt like it was significantly down. There looked be huge unused camping areas. The Kendrick and deadmau5 crowds were tiny. Joel was smaller than Elton. Mumford was large but was easy to navigate if you aren't allergic to bees. I was under the tent for almost every act which I can't say for the other two years. Getting in to the farm was shorter. Getting into centeroo was shorter. If we use 80k as the base level id put this year at 70k.
Now that I'm older I wouldn't mind having an age limit, but there are older people that can drag down the festival just as much as any kid.
Kalliope can be overbearing soundbleed, but I always went on the opposite side of the tent away from it. After the real acts were over I went there to end my Friday and Saturday staying until the sun was up. The cherub DJ set was cool and it is a nice option. If they just let tent acts go until 5 am the kalliope would be unnecessary.
Superjam. Last year I had a hard time seeing and hearing the superjam and left unsatisfied. This year started the exact same until I said screw it and waltz up to the front of the crowd. Upfront of the superjam was unbelievable and turned out to be my favorite set of the weekend. Dmc rapping with chali 2na was I hate to say it, magical. I had goosebumps.
Screens were a solid addition, but I'd like to see them take it a step further and put two on each tent and additional speaking pointing from outside the tent.
I didn't understand the grove. If you have been to electric forest/rothbury you know how that type of installation can be properly pulled off.
Complaining about the heat will get you nowhere. If it bothers you to the point of ruining a weekend then please take more advantage of the inside activities during the day and head outside later. You may miss a couple acts but in the long run you will see more because you won't be so exhausted.
Is there any reasoning behind not having late night comedy shows. This would be an easy way to divert a couple thousand people from the busier crowds.
A lot of festivals have late night folk/bluegrass/singer songwriter stuff for people not into electronic music. I think roo could pull it off by having the old cafe where stage host that.
There is one thing that would greatly help the farm that despite how much the festival stresses it they can't force people to do. Without sounding cheesy people just need to be more respectful. I learned how to handle myself by going to our city's music and fireworks on the 4th of July with my parents. They showed me to throw things out in the garbage cans, wait my turn in bathroom lines, not talk during performances, not taking up a spot bigger than you need, look down while walking through crowds so you don't kick people or drinks, not to yell on your walk back to your car, use low back chairs, and overall just be mindful of the people around you.
I have a lot more I could get into, but I need to do some work today despite my bonnaflu.
I am against totems, but I am understanding of them especially when they are high enough that they don't block people's views. In the pit I saw security make people take them down. This was great because those had the greatest opportunity to block views.
That's part of it, but the other main reason is because they have a camera on a crane that was recording the streams and it would move left and right over the pit so if the totems were up high they'd cause issues with the camera crane.
Is there any reasoning behind not having late night comedy shows. This would be an easy way to divert a couple thousand people from the busier crowds.
Good idea, but I'll provide this observation. The two shows I went to were the last shows of the day on Thursday and Friday, right before it got dark, and they were super duper thin crowds. Enough to feel the laughs and have a good time, but the floor seats weren't even full, with a scattering of people hanging out in the upper seats. This is because at this point its not hot outside anymore. The performers at both shows even commented on it, like "wow the show right before this one was sold out".
I think the primary reason people go to the comedy theater is to sit in A/C for 90 minutes. Once they get there they do enjoy comedy and are great crowds, in my experience, but love of comedy isn't the primary motivation.
So I think unless an after dark/LN name was a big name, attendance would be very poor.
Fucking Which stage. They know that the sound/bleed from other stages is a problem. Why haven't they fixed it? Or at least not have stupid scheduling like some loud ass bass in This tent during Robert Plant. That was the only negative thing the whole weekend. It really pissed me off though. We moved around, couldn't get away from the fucking bass and finally I just left.
I'm sure someone else has already mentioned in this thread but base coming off of the which stage & the kalliope pretty much ruined two shows that I was really really looking forward to seeing this year. Punch Brothers even standing pretty close in the middle of the tent I couldn't hear a fucking thing. My fantasy was that I would just be able to lay in the grass by the side of the stage and listen to them. Same thing with the super jam. I didn't show up early because I wasn't trying to get a close spot I just wanted to listen to it but you couldn't hear shit. I actually left about two minutes after I began because I just couldn't hear anything. Fortunately I wandered over to D'Angelo and that turned out to be my second favorite set this entire weekend. But not being able to hear Punch Brothers on Sunday really sucked.
The flipside of the bass from bassnectar ruining the superjam for some is that the bass from bassnectar made the bassnectar set awesome.
Fixing Kalliope soundbleed is easy, just nuke it from orbit (its the only way to be sure). But I don't know what can be done about Which soundbleed, specifically with bass heavy EDM. I was in the VIP pit at Bassnectar, about halfway up the pit, pretty damn close, and the sound was JUST loud enough. I could even have done with it being a decibel higher. I don't know a ton about audio but I know the wavelengths of bass are looooong, which is probably why bass heavy performers rumble throughout the whole farm. Hell for Skrillex 2012 you could hear that shit from day parking.
The best answer would've been to have the Superjam on Which after Bassnectar instead of in a tent, especially the worst tent on the farm for those who stand outside the tent.
Fucking Which stage. They know that the sound/bleed from other stages is a problem. Why haven't they fixed it? Or at least not have stupid scheduling like some loud ass bass in This tent during Robert Plant. That was the only negative thing the whole weekend. It really pissed me off though. We moved around, couldn't get away from the fucking bass and finally I just left.
I'm sure someone else has already mentioned in this thread but base coming off of the which stage & the kalliope pretty much ruined two shows that I was really really looking forward to seeing this year. Punch Brothers even standing pretty close in the middle of the tent I couldn't hear a fucking thing. My fantasy was that I would just be able to lay in the grass by the side of the stage and listen to them. Same thing with the super jam. I didn't show up early because I wasn't trying to get a close spot I just wanted to listen to it but you couldn't hear shit. I actually left about two minutes after I began because I just couldn't hear anything. Fortunately I wandered over to D'Angelo and that turned out to be my second favorite set this entire weekend. But not being able to hear Punch Brothers on Sunday really sucked.
The funniest part of it was after I got pissed off and walked away from Robert Plant it sound like they turned it up. I know there have been countless times where I've been able to hear which better far away from it than I could up close. Then after we got away from Plant we went to the Bluegrass Superjam. Sat down there in the grass and was getting more soundbleed. We were able to move up and that ended up being a great show. It just really sucked there for a little while and it is something they could fix.
Post by pondo ROCKS on Jun 16, 2015 17:41:39 GMT -5
So here we go...
1. BRING BACK CAFE WHERE. This would help with the sound bleed from The Who Stage everyone complained about. Would also allow for more smaller acts to be booked. Also a great place to sit and what the What Stage and then, after that show is done, catch an act at Cafe Where. HATED that Cafe Where was removed for 3 vendors and THE SHADE IT PROVIDED WAS GONE AS WELL!
2. Figure out something better for Kalliope. Still issues there.
3. Sound bleed continue to be an issue, especially on Which, but at least Miller Lite Stage had less of a bleed this year. Most shows overall seemed less crowded to me as well. I think they REALLY tried to put lesser known acts on Miller this year after the year before with The Orwells, Monster Truck and Animals as Leaders.
4. If you wanna continue to use The Who Stage (and just totally diss artist signings), make it covered SOMEWAY SOMEHOW. The artist signing was a cool way to feel connected and it also allowed up and coming acts a chance to move merch pretty easily. This could easily be brought back with little issue.
5. Improvements go a long way to getting people back but so does keeping the place clean. I saw VERY few people actually helping to pick the place up. This year was the worst for trash IMO. I know it was hot, I get that. Still, I do not know if they just lacked volunteers or people just weren't doing their job or what the case was.
6. Camping in Access was SUPER CRAMPED so all of you wonderful people who had tons of room...yeah...we had none. Literally gave us nothing in the way of space. Walking to Pod 2, I saw SPACIOUS places and was just amazed.
7. Last complaint, never do The Game of Thrones/only one tent/ fiasco again please.
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One of the best suggestions I've heard for Bonnaroo came from a rambling motherfucker at 4:30am on Sunday. We were filling up our Camelbaks, and some guy comes up ranting about how we need lighting at the water stations. Trippy lights will attract all the people out of their minds and encourage them to drink more water. It can indeed be difficult to manage filling up with water in the dead of night, so I thought this was an excellent idea. Probably the most lucid and reasonable thing I heard at Bonnaroo all year.
Post by plasticpepper on Jun 16, 2015 18:35:08 GMT -5
Definitely duplicating what others have already said with a couple of these, but here's my two cents:
1. We have most definitely reached the point where Which needs to be utilized on Thursday. Our Thursday night experience was so unpleasant because of the crowds; we could barely move through Centeroo. We basically gave up and went back to camp. It also felt like the crowd was making everyone a little less civil - I got pushed and shoved so many times, and of course that kind of behavior just turns into a bad spiral. And I think it's especially problematic when that's happening on a Thursday - any first-timers would pick up the wrong impression of how people tend to act at Roo.
2. More consistency among the pods - our pod (8) was the only one without showers, and all of the ones past Bushy Branch were without ice. It doesn't make any sense for those basic utilities to not be the same from pod to pod. Same goes for the flushy toilets - they're a great addition, but really should be added to all pods - or at least the portos need to be maintained well enough for it to not be such a huge difference. Our portos in pod 8 were cleaned TWICE throughout the entire time...and I'm pretty sure I'm not exaggerating on that since it was a frequent topic of discussion at our camp. We spent most of the weekend with them being so full that you couldn't sit down for fear of touching something. At one point it had been so bad for so long that a member of our group asked the pod staff if they could call for them to be cleaned; he was told that they had already called multiple times and yet they still hadn't been cleaned. (I think they even said the truck had driven by without stopping at one point - I imagine it was probably full at that point, but still!) And meanwhile several pods had the nice flushy toilets...it shouldn't come down to luck of the draw whether or not I have a reasonable way to use the bathroom!
3. Better coordination in a lot of ways - so often it seems one hand doesn't know what the other is doing. I understand that it's incredibly hard to coordinate things with such a large group of people (staff/volunteers/contractors/etc.) involved, but certain things just have to work more smoothly than they did. Trying to get to the Game of Thrones showing was a disaster - members of our group tried to enter by the clock tower but were told that entrance was closed, then when they came in through the arch they were stopped trying to cross the bridge and told to go in the clock tower entrance. By the time Billy Joel finished up we were still stopped at the bridge but managed to exit by the arch and come back in through the other entrance...but it was still an unnecessary cluster. And the show had started by the time we got there, and that was with Billy Joel ending considerably early. And it sounds like the same lack of organization was present in a lot of other areas too (comedy tent, etc.)
4. The rule about Camelbaks having to be empty has to go. To me, it's just too much of a safety concern when you start making it difficult for people to stay hydrated. If you can't bring in a full Camelbak, then you're forced to visit the water stations...along with EVERYONE ELSE, so the lines are crazy, the mud pits surrounding the mushrooms are bad, the water pressure suffers enough to slow the lines down, and the filters couldn't keep up so the water started to taste more sulfur-y. Add all of those factors together, and a lot of people start thinking "if I fill up now, I'll miss this show I want to see...I can survive till a little later." That is NOT a gamble anyone should be making. And it's all just made worse by the fact that the "rule" was very inconsistently enforced, so you're just playing a guessing game every time you get in line.
5. When are we going to get cashless payment via the RFIDs in the wristbands?! Come on already!
The flipside of the bass from bassnectar ruining the superjam for some is that the bass from bassnectar made the bassnectar set awesome.
Fixing Kalliope soundbleed is easy, just nuke it from orbit (its the only way to be sure). But I don't know what can be done about Which soundbleed, specifically with bass heavy EDM. I was in the VIP pit at Bassnectar, about halfway up the pit, pretty damn close, and the sound was JUST loud enough. I could even have done with it being a decibel higher. I don't know a ton about audio but I know the wavelengths of bass are looooong, which is probably why bass heavy performers rumble throughout the whole farm. Hell for Skrillex 2012 you could hear that shit from day parking.
The best answer would've been to have the Superjam on Which after Bassnectar instead of in a tent, especially the worst tent on the farm for those who stand outside the tent.
I remember sleeping inside my locked SUV with the windows up and doors shut and I could hear Skrillex so clearly it could've been coming from my stereo. Misery.
I have a little bit of a different take on the sound bleed issues and the late night EDM stuff. Don't get me wrong...I don't like sound bleed or EDM :-) but what I usually do for these is: -If I experience sound bleed, I move to the other side and/or forward. Sometimes it takes a while, but I've always eventually been able to find a spot where it's not an issue. Granted, I've sometimes had to stand when I wanted to sit or vice versa, so it's not perfect, but that's okay. That said, I never stay past 11-12, so it may get worse in the wee hours of the morning? -I never stay for the late night EDM because it's just not my thing, but I absolutely love hearing it from my tent and falling asleep to the beats. Normally I can't sleep with any sound, but for some reason at Bonnaroo, it makes me feel great just knowing people are partying all night long and having the time of their lives (oh, to be 20 again). I don't even mind waking up every hour to unusually loud sounds or someone walking past my tent and yelling. It just makes me smile to be outside of reality for a few days.
Bonnaroo, if you are going to do something awesome, like air the Game of Thrones finale, please give attendees and workers instructions on how to get to said showing. That was a clusterfuck Sunday night.
I never even put two and two together on this! They told everyone that they were screening it on Sunday in The Other Tent after Billy Joel, right? And then they closed off access to Centeroo after Billy Joel, at least from What! That's such a Bonnaroo thing to do!
After we left we tried to go back in another way to watch and they turned us away. I'm guessing they never showed it?
EDIT: I see now they did show it, so how did you end up getting to it?
Fucking Which stage. They know that the sound/bleed from other stages is a problem. Why haven't they fixed it? Or at least not have stupid scheduling like some loud ass bass in This tent during Robert Plant. That was the only negative thing the whole weekend. It really pissed me off though. We moved around, couldn't get away from the fucking bass and finally I just left.
I'm sure someone else has already mentioned in this thread but base coming off of the which stage & the kalliope pretty much ruined two shows that I was really really looking forward to seeing this year. Punch Brothers even standing pretty close in the middle of the tent I couldn't hear a fucking thing. My fantasy was that I would just be able to lay in the grass by the side of the stage and listen to them. Same thing with the super jam. I didn't show up early because I wasn't trying to get a close spot I just wanted to listen to it but you couldn't hear shit. I actually left about two minutes after I began because I just couldn't hear anything. Fortunately I wandered over to D'Angelo and that turned out to be my second favorite set this entire weekend. But not being able to hear Punch Brothers on Sunday really sucked.
Most of the daytime sound bleed was from the Christmas Barn. Sitting in the middle it effects three tents. I love the barn but there is no need for it to be that loud for the 30-40 people or so inside.
Re locate the Kalliope or have it run at the end of the last act till 5ish. From where I was the bass from the Kalliope destroyed the sound from the Superjam which kinda sucked cause I was really looking forward to that. Luckily EDM is alright with me and my buddy I was with so we jammed out to both.
5. When are we going to get cashless payment via the RFIDs in the wristbands?! Come on already!
I wouldn't have a problem with that being an option but I don't want to rely on Bonnaroo's systems working in order to be able to eat and stuff. I'll stick with cash on the farm but using the RFIDs as an option would make sense.
The seemed to lean heavily on PayPal last year but I didn't encounter it this year. Did anybody else?
Re locate the Kalliope or have it run at the end of the last act till 5ish. From where I was the bass from the Kalliope destroyed the sound from the Superjam which kinda sucked cause I was really looking forward to that. Luckily EDM is alright with me and my buddy I was with so we jammed out to both.
Put it at the back of What and just leave that field open.
Am I the only one who thought it was cleaner this year than in previous years? I mean, What always ends up looking like a wasteland after headliners because the person:trash can ratio is like 1:1000 but the rest of the grounds felt fine.
I was pretty happy with how things went this year so my suggestions are minor. More shaded areas is always nice. Maybe at least where they know lines will be forming like the cinema and comedy tent areas. The Who Stage could probably be covered as well. Waiting for Elle King was rough, though very worth it.
I had to dump my water as well. That should be made clear from the beginning. I was lucky to have a refillable bottle in my car that I was too lazy to take out of it. Would have been in trouble otherwise though.
This is something that I'm sure Bonnaroo has no say over but must every exit to get to the Walmart be blocked off? That was super frustrating.
On the positive side, having screens at the tents was great!
10/19/14-Phantogram
11/29/14-New Politics, Bad Suns
4/17/15-Hippo Campus, Night Riots, The Mowglis
5/1/15-Penn State Movin' On Music Festival-New Politics, Passion Pit, Big Gigantic, Big Sean
6/11/15-6/14/15-Bonnaroo!
6/21/15 - Paul McCartney
6/27/15-Halsey, Imagine Dragons
My legitimate gripes have been answered in recent years (which ditch fixed, less waits into centeroo and portta potties, and no clock tower Darth Vader alarms at 3 am). So Ill echo other minor issues from others. More shade, especially at which tent. Brooers tent to the trees could easily be shaded. Get rid of that stupid hamegeddon thing, people would rather have an extra Amish donut line anyway. And bring back the bobble heads (and the electric forest while your at it). Get rid of kaliope and I don't mean replace it with lunar stage. Its never gonna work there so stick it in the camp grounds or something. And consider Christmas barn acts in relation to acoustic shows. Ruined the bluegrass tent for a lot of people.
Finally, I don't care if u switch it back 2 sonic stage. Just don't make it the who cares stage. I saw no more than 50 people there all weekend and they still contribute to the sound bleed. It used to bring a crowd with jam bands doing 2nd sets and signing autographs. Helps with crowd control and created special moments. No idea how some of these bands managed to sucker 20 people in
5. Improvements go a long way to getting people back but so does keeping the place clean. I saw VERY few people actually helping to pick the place up. This year was the worst for trash IMO. I know it was hot, I get that. Still, I do not know if they just lacked volunteers or people just weren't doing their job or what the case was.
It seems ridiculous, but one of the things I loved about Coachella was how clean it was. Having people who are actually paid to walk around and pick up trash means that the grounds are immaculate all weekend long. Wish Bonnaroo would take this route, especially as they jacked up ticket prices.
Does Coachella having people go around all day? Like during the music playing. Bonnaroo at least has people cleaning up each night/morning when music stops playing so that it's clean each beginning but throughout the day I definitely start to see the buildup happening. By night time sets the tents and surrounding areas are covered in garbage and leftover junk. Food and food-containers left on those standing benches and picnic benches (which really annoys me....just walk to the garbages), water bottles and discarded schedules everywhere. But each morning it is clean again.
1. We have most definitely reached the point where Which needs to be utilized on Thursday. Our Thursday night experience was so unpleasant because of the crowds; we could barely move through Centeroo. We basically gave up and went back to camp. It also felt like the crowd was making everyone a little less civil - I got pushed and shoved so many times, and of course that kind of behavior just turns into a bad spiral. And I think it's especially problematic when that's happening on a Thursday - any first-timers would pick up the wrong impression of how people tend to act at Roo.
This. With them officially opening the gates on Wednesday, the Thursday crowds are huge. It was the ladyfriend's first time at Bonnaroo, and I remember telling her multiple times during the course of the evening that it wasn't like this the whole time.
It seems ridiculous, but one of the things I loved about Coachella was how clean it was. Having people who are actually paid to walk around and pick up trash means that the grounds are immaculate all weekend long. Wish Bonnaroo would take this route, especially as they jacked up ticket prices.
Does Coachella having people go around all day? Like during the music playing.
Yes, they have paid workers that walk around all day and pick up trash. They also had a program for patrons that for every 10 empty water bottles you dropped off at the recycling place, you received a free cold bottle of water. That was FANTASTIC. custephDruid and I participated in that all weekend.
But I do think Bonnaroo was a bit cleaner this year than previous years.
They do have a program at Bonnaroo where anyone can pick up trash and/or cigarette butts and turn them in for "points", which can then be redeemed for prizes. I don't really have any details other than that, but my neighbors participated in it.
We actually had a damn hard time finding bottles at Coachella. You had to wait till right after a show and hit the grounds quick or those fools had it cleaned up in minutes.
