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any Inforooster peeps local to ATL who are worried about riding out what is promised to be an epic ice storm with no power "for days" (according to the local weatherman) are welcome to head to my place before the roads start to get nasty. I have light sources, plenty of food and a gas stove/grill, battery operated music sources, some alcohol, some corn, and a fireplace with a few fire logs. Well behaved pets are welcomed. you only need to bring an air mattress and whatever party favors you deem necessary for survival....a little extra firewood/firelogs would be welcomed too.
Just throwing this out there for anyone facing maybe getting stuck in a "total electric" home or apartment.
This isn't going to be the 2 inches of snow shutting us down that made us the laughingstock of the nation. This is going to be ICE.
Here in the Northeast, it's barely risen above freezing since December. We've had (at least) four large snow storms in the past month. Nearly every day I drive to work on roads covered in patches of ice and snow. There are icicles over 5 feet in length hanging off the side of my house. If I don't let my car run for about 5-10 minutes with the defrosters on full blast, then I spend 5-10 minutes chipping ice off my windows. Yet every single day I, and all of my peers, make it to work, to school, to the grocery store, to the gym, to the bar, to wherever it is we want to go.
So sack it up, Atlanta.
Same up here! It's beyond ridiculous that Atlanta could be this unprepared. I really hope that city doesn't get an actual winter storm.
Post by Dave Maynar on Feb 11, 2014 9:08:49 GMT -5
One time, abrakapokus had a smartmouth yankee for a professor in college. She constantly liked to poke fun at us simple country folk for freaking out over our pathetic winter weather. One day, after one of these inferior storms, she wrapped her car around a tree because she forgot brakes don't mean crap on a sheet of ice. That was the end of her talking.
^I think that's the difference, ice vs snow. Few inches of snow, ya, that shouldn't shut anyone down like it did. Ice, I can see that causing more major issues.
Do they even have heating systems in houses down there? Canada will send you some maple syrup. Just rub it on the soles of your shoes and on your tires. You won't slip around on the ice so much. Good luck.
It is what it is, Yankee people. We can't help where the stork dropped us!
We are not equipped to deal with snow, it's true...but snow typically primarily impacts driving. But notwithstanding the road issues, a quarter inch or so of ice accumulation can start bringing down tree limbs (our predominant pines are a soft wood) and power lines.
At least the state/local governments and schools are keeping people home this time and mobilizing resources to be on the ready.
Like I said, I was just offering haven to anyone in the event of a power outage. By the time the power goes out, it's too late to travel anywhere.
Why are my fellow Northerners so feisty? It's not so much what and how much but what you're used to and how well equipped your towns and cities are to handle it. And if they're predicting ice to bring down all the power lines, well.. no power is no power despite what the weather is the next day. Snowtober (Halloween 2011) hit us hard. Gigantic snow storm (which I was at Moog for), but hit 40 right after. By the time I got back to CT, the snow was almost all melted, but I was without power for 9 days.
If I were in GA, I'd totally go to Zen's house, cuddle with puppies and drink booze by the fire
PS Juggs- Another storm to hit us on Thursday. Up to a foot in some parts of the state.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
we're pretty much screwed. On top of the icing the winds are going to be 15-25 mph which will just help sever those ice-laden branches. It is supposed to be 60 by the weekend, but like Bonz said, we may not have power yet if and when we do lose it.
The experts are comparing this to the storm of 1973. I was in high school then. In Macon we got 18 plus inches of snow. Atlanta got ice and lost power for a week. We do have the advantage this time around of better forecasting and technology, but a downed tree limb or power line still looks pretty much the same way and has the same effect it did 40 years ago. Some things never change.
National Weather Service Accumulations: will range today from little to none across most of the Atlanta metro due to surface temps above freezing ... accumulations possibly totaling a half an inch ...
For tonight through Wednesday night, an additional 2 to 4 inches of snow is possible in addition to a quarter to a half inch of ice accumulation.
we're pretty much screwed. On top of the icing the winds are going to be 15-25 mph which will just help sever those ice-laden branches. It is supposed to be 60 by the weekend, but like Bonz said, we may not have power yet if and when we do lose it.
The experts are comparing this to the storm of 1973. I was in high school then. In Macon we got 18 plus inches of snow. Atlanta got ice and lost power for a week. We do have the advantage this time around of better forecasting and technology, but a downed tree limb or power line still looks pretty much the same way and has the same effect it did 40 years ago. Some things never change.
Well good luck and stay safe! I clear power lines for a living, so I know how scary that can be when one comes down. Make sure you got some hot chocolate (and hopefully a gas stove!).
National Weather Service Accumulations: will range today from little to none across most of the Atlanta metro due to surface temps above freezing ... accumulations possibly totaling a half an inch ...
For tonight through Wednesday night, an additional 2 to 4 inches of snow is possible in addition to a quarter to a half inch of ice accumulation.
I don't know about Atlanta, but the predictions for here are all over the place. Depending on temperature and time, we are looking at anywhere between 0 and 6 inches of snow. NWS is guaranteeing snow while weather.com has it raining and snowing for 20 seconds.
Post by Whoreshack on Feb 11, 2014 11:47:14 GMT -5
Don't mind us. We're just bitter cuz this year's been a bit brutal and cabin fever's setting in. Plus, in a month you guys will be rubbing it in our faces with pics of ya skimming yr pools and riding with yr tops down. In the meantime...
Seriously, it's not as if this storm is sneaking up on you. Local government can't dump some sand and salt on the roads? This is kind of embarrassing.
Places that do not get a lot of snow do not have the resources both in materials (sand, salt, ect.) or in vehicles (trucks fitted to spread salt/sand or plows) to do an effective job at combating severe winter weather.
Seriously, it's not as if this storm is sneaking up on you. Local government can't dump some sand and salt on the roads? This is kind of embarrassing.
Places that do not get a lot of snow do not have the resources both in materials (sand, salt, ect.) or in vehicles (trucks fitted to spread salt/sand or plows) to do an effective job at combating severe winter weather.
You do realize that in the North the trucks they salt the roads with are just your typical dump trucks with a special piece hooked up to the back, right?
I assume the southern states in the Union have dump trucks.
Places that do not get a lot of snow do not have the resources both in materials (sand, salt, ect.) or in vehicles (trucks fitted to spread salt/sand or plows) to do an effective job at combating severe winter weather.
You do realize that in the North the trucks they salt the roads with are just your typical dump trucks with a special piece hooked up to the back, right?
I assume the southern states in the Union have dump trucks.
I sure do. That was why I said "fitted". Those are not cheap and require a lot of maintenance due to the nature of their use. Places that have a lot of snow in the north typically have more trucks they use in the winter for salt/sand purposes. It does not make economical sense for southern places to purchase extra trucks for winter use, considering the frequency they would use them.
You would hope after that last snowstorm, maybe someone down there would write the Sand and Salt guy's number down on the fridge, just in case, you know?
You do realize that in the North the trucks they salt the roads with are just your typical dump trucks with a special piece hooked up to the back, right?
I assume the southern states in the Union have dump trucks.
I sure do. That was why I said "fitted". Those are not cheap and require a lot of maintenance due to the nature of their use. Places that have a lot of snow in the north typically have more trucks they use in the winter for salt/sand purposes. It does not make economical sense for southern places to purchase extra trucks for winter use, considering the frequency they would use them.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but you realize you're not accurate here, right? These things are made with adjustable brackets/sizes so they can fit whatever model dumptruck you have. Know that thing you use on your lawn that spreads seed all over the place? That's literally all this mechanism is, just bigger and made to handle salt. You just lift the trap door on the back of the dump truck and it feeds into the mechanism. They could have ordered and expedited these things after the last "OMG RAPTURE HAS BEGUN!" storm and they'd be in Atlanta right now.
They don't have to purchase extra trucks, is my point. They already have trucks that could perform this function. The dump trucks they use in the Northeast are no different than the dumptrucks they use in Atlanta.
Post by Paroxysm714 on Feb 11, 2014 12:26:34 GMT -5
There's a brine solution we typically use here which needs to be put on dry roads long before it rains. They also need people to be mostly off the roads when they put it on. I think the timing of the rain & lots of traffic has a huge effect on the timing of the sand/salt, and having a busy city that, in general, is wholly unprepared for this stuff doesn't help matters either. I'm not really worried though, the occasional ice storm is really normal for Atlanta. Just gonna hunker down at home & get some chores done.
I sure do. That was why I said "fitted". Those are not cheap and require a lot of maintenance due to the nature of their use. Places that have a lot of snow in the north typically have more trucks they use in the winter for salt/sand purposes. It does not make economical sense for southern places to purchase extra trucks for winter use, considering the frequency they would use them.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but you realize you're not accurate here, right? These things are made with adjustable brackets/sizes so they can fit whatever model dumptruck you have. Know that thing you use on your lawn that spreads seed all over the place? That's literally all this mechanism is, just bigger and made to handle salt. You just lift the trap door on the back of the dump truck and it feeds into the mechanism. They could have ordered and expedited these things after the last "OMG RAPTURE HAS BEGUN!" storm and they'd be in Atlanta right now.
They don't have to purchase extra trucks, is my point. They already have trucks that could perform this function. The dump trucks they use in the Northeast are no different than the dumptrucks they use in Atlanta.
Yes, I understand that perfectly well. I know what they are and how they work. As I have helped put them on a truck before. My point is this: I doubt they have enough trucks to cover the area. But, even if they did it would take a lot of money and a considerable amount of time to get the massive amount of sand/salt delivered. They probably do not even have bins/barns with the capacity to hold all that since they rarely use it in that quantity. Plus, they would have to pay overtime to have guys load the trucks, drive the trucks, that is super costly and I doubt that kind of cash is in the budget. It is not effective to make one pass. To be effective you need to plow as well. This is almost a 24 hour operation. I do know quite a bit on the topic and have a working knowledge of what it costs.
Yes, they could expedite equipment/trucks/manpower/materials I just doubt they are willing to pay that kind of expense for 1 or 2 out of the ordinary snow emergencies. That is all I am saying.
I sure do. That was why I said "fitted". Those are not cheap and require a lot of maintenance due to the nature of their use. Places that have a lot of snow in the north typically have more trucks they use in the winter for salt/sand purposes. It does not make economical sense for southern places to purchase extra trucks for winter use, considering the frequency they would use them.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but you realize you're not accurate here, right? These things are made with adjustable brackets/sizes so they can fit whatever model dumptruck you have. Know that thing you use on your lawn that spreads seed all over the place? That's literally all this mechanism is, just bigger and made to handle salt. You just lift the trap door on the back of the dump truck and it feeds into the mechanism. They could have ordered and expedited these things after the last "OMG RAPTURE HAS BEGUN!" storm and they'd be in Atlanta right now.
They don't have to purchase extra trucks, is my point. They already have trucks that could perform this function. The dump trucks they use in the Northeast are no different than the dumptrucks they use in Atlanta.
This is not based on any real knowledge, but I can't imagine they have enough dump trucks to salt every road, even if they had a supply of those devices? My small, less than 6,000 people, hometown has a couple dump trucks (plus all the plows) which are used almost exclusively for the snow. I can't imagine that if you placed that town in Georgia that they'd have a reason to keep so many vehicles in the Public Works lot.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but you realize you're not accurate here, right? These things are made with adjustable brackets/sizes so they can fit whatever model dumptruck you have. Know that thing you use on your lawn that spreads seed all over the place? That's literally all this mechanism is, just bigger and made to handle salt. You just lift the trap door on the back of the dump truck and it feeds into the mechanism. They could have ordered and expedited these things after the last "OMG RAPTURE HAS BEGUN!" storm and they'd be in Atlanta right now.
They don't have to purchase extra trucks, is my point. They already have trucks that could perform this function. The dump trucks they use in the Northeast are no different than the dumptrucks they use in Atlanta.
Yes, I understand that perfectly well. I know what they are and how they work. As I have helped put them on a truck before. My point is this: I doubt they have enough trucks to cover the area. But, even if they did it would take a lot of money and a considerable amount of time to get the massive amount of sand/salt delivered. They probably do not even have bins/barns with the capacity to hold all that since they rarely use it in that quantity. Plus, they would have to pay overtime to have guys load the trucks, drive the trucks, that is super costly and I doubt that kind of cash is in the budget. It is not effective to make one pass. To be effective you need to plow as well. This is almost a 24 hour operation. I do know quite a bit on the topic and have a working knowledge of what it costs.
Yes, they could expedite equipment/trucks/manpower/materials I just doubt they are willing to pay that kind of expense for 1 or 2 out of the ordinary snow emergencies. That is all I am saying.
Know how sand/salt is stored in the northeast? In massive, uncovered piles in DPW/highway service depots.
You realize that everything you're saying they would have to do is done in the Northeast every time it snows, right? Acting like paying the DPW workers OT to salt roads overnight is some Herculean task that no one in Atlanta could possibly have the foresight to see is silly. They know what's coming, they don't do anything to stop it. It's not a puzzle, you have a blueprint already in place.
And if they're not willing to pay for upgrades that are becoming more and more necessary (climate change), then they are fools and the voters should be making noise. It's not rocket science, I'm sure in the massive budget that the city has, an allowance for emergency snow/ice removal & prep will not break the bank.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but you realize you're not accurate here, right? These things are made with adjustable brackets/sizes so they can fit whatever model dumptruck you have. Know that thing you use on your lawn that spreads seed all over the place? That's literally all this mechanism is, just bigger and made to handle salt. You just lift the trap door on the back of the dump truck and it feeds into the mechanism. They could have ordered and expedited these things after the last "OMG RAPTURE HAS BEGUN!" storm and they'd be in Atlanta right now.
They don't have to purchase extra trucks, is my point. They already have trucks that could perform this function. The dump trucks they use in the Northeast are no different than the dumptrucks they use in Atlanta.
This is not based on any real knowledge, but I can't imagine they have enough dump trucks to salt every road, even if they had a supply of those devices? My small, less than 6,000 people, hometown has a couple dump trucks (plus all the plows) which are used almost exclusively for the snow. I can't imagine that if you placed that town in Georgia that they'd have a reason to keep so many vehicles in the Public Works lot.
The ground is above freezing, so you can throw salt/sand all over the roads today, when you know most people are going to be staying off the roads, and be prepared to minimize the impact of ICEPOCALYPSE 2014.
And in the Northeast, every town doesn't have DPW trucks, towns/municipalities go halfies on trucks and share them since they can cover a lot of ground in a full day.