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I disagree. if Brady had the weapons that Manning had he would have won more than he did.
Fair enough. On the flip side though, I could say that with the Patriots defensive Manning could have won more. My point is that Manning has a better skill set. I don't think you can argue with that. Sure Brady has the "It" factor, but its not Manning doesn't have it either.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
I disagree. if Brady had the weapons that Manning had he would have won more than he did.
Fair enough. On the flip side though, I could say that with the Patriots defensive Manning could have won more. My point is that Manning has a better skill set. I don't think you can argue with that. Sure Brady has the "It" factor, but its not Manning doesn't have it either.
For Sang, it all comes down to:
Manning = SEC Brady = Not SEC
Come on, Tejas. You should have been able to figure that out yourself.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
I'd love to hear the logic behind "NBA Championship? We can count that. Super Bowl? Pfft."
well in basketball there are only five players playing both ways. Any one person is able to have a much greater impact on a game than any one player in football... the ultimate team sport. I don't think ri gs are everythi g when judging a player especially in the nfl. Like eli is better than marino? Or peyton?
So, for example, you think LeBron James' impact on a game is unquestionably greater than the impact that Peyton Manning has had on the NFL? THE GUY BASICALLY INVENTED THE NO-HUDDLE OFFENSE.
Acting like the QB on the Jets has the same impact as the QB on the Broncos is just mind-numbingly stupid. When you're a best-ever player, you impact the game. In 10 years we're going to look at JJ Watt being a fleshy wrecking ball for the past decade and go "whoa....that guy single-handedly won games." Same thing with Megatron. Same thing with Peterson. Certain players identify the "general" statement constraints from people like you, and then obliterate them. Both of these QB's are those types of players. Without Brady, the Pats are a 5-6 win team. Without Manning, the Broncos are fighting for a wildcard. Acting like those two aren't the single reasons their teams are where they are is just laughable.
Fair enough. On the flip side though, I could say that with the Patriots defensive Manning could have won more. My point is that Manning has a better skill set. I don't think you can argue with that. Sure Brady has the "It" factor, but its not Manning doesn't have it either.
For Sang, it all comes down to:
Manning = SEC Brady = Not SEC
Come on, Tejas. You should have been able to figure that out yourself.
actually in that case that has nothing to do with it. I believe Brady is just a better qb.
well in basketball there are only five players playing both ways. Any one person is able to have a much greater impact on a game than any one player in football... the ultimate team sport. I don't think ri gs are everythi g when judging a player especially in the nfl. Like eli is better than marino? Or peyton?
So, for example, you think LeBron James' impact on a game is unquestionably greater than the impact that Peyton Manning has had on the NFL? THE GUY BASICALLY INVENTED THE NO-HUDDLE OFFENSE.
Acting like the QB on the Jets has the same impact as the QB on the Broncos is just mind-numbingly stupid. When you're a best-ever player, you impact the game. In 10 years we're going to look at JJ Watt being a fleshy wrecking ball for the past decade and go "whoa....that guy single-handedly won games." Same thing with Megatron. Same thing with Peterson. Certain players identify the "general" statement constraints from people like you, and then obliterate them. Both of these QB's are those types of players. Without Brady, the Pats are a 5-6 win team. Without Manning, the Broncos are fighting for a wildcard. Acting like those two aren't the single reasons their teams are where they are is just laughable.
what in the world are you talking about? on any givin day lebron has a larger effect on the result of a game than peyton does. I'm not talking about peytons effect on the sport in general.
So, for example, you think LeBron James' impact on a game is unquestionably greater than the impact that Peyton Manning has had on the NFL? THE GUY BASICALLY INVENTED THE NO-HUDDLE OFFENSE.
Acting like the QB on the Jets has the same impact as the QB on the Broncos is just mind-numbingly stupid. When you're a best-ever player, you impact the game. In 10 years we're going to look at JJ Watt being a fleshy wrecking ball for the past decade and go "whoa....that guy single-handedly won games." Same thing with Megatron. Same thing with Peterson. Certain players identify the "general" statement constraints from people like you, and then obliterate them. Both of these QB's are those types of players. Without Brady, the Pats are a 5-6 win team. Without Manning, the Broncos are fighting for a wildcard. Acting like those two aren't the single reasons their teams are where they are is just laughable.
what in the world are you talking about? on any givin day lebron has a larger effect on the result of a game than peyton does. I'm not talking about peytons effect on the sport in general.
Never mind the pointless crossover comparison being impossible since it's two different sports, but Peyton absolutely influences the outcomes of a game as much as a top NBA player. Yes, I'm aware that an NBA players two-ways. They also are a free-flowing sport with plays called that are continuous, looping, and the rules of the game allow for them to freelance at will. NFL is the most involved sport on earth, it requires incredibly detailed pre-planning and given the fact that the actual time of gameplay is so short, the margin of error is non-existent.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jan 21, 2014 13:18:47 GMT -5
And I'm not saying nfl players have no effect... obviously. But they can not be judged simply by rings is all. And don't even start about skill players and other positions. Lt never won and I think of him as a player no less.
Where rings are a bigger part of an nba argument because of the two way impact a player has.
what in the world are you talking about? on any givin day lebron has a larger effect on the result of a game than peyton does. I'm not talking about peytons effect on the sport in general.
Never mind the pointless crossover comparison being impossible since it's two different sports, but Peyton absolutely influences the outcomes of a game as much as a top NBA player. Yes, I'm aware that an NBA players two-ways. They also are a free-flowing sport with plays called that are continuous, looping, and the rules of the game allow for them to freelance at will. NFL is the most involved sport on earth, it requires incredibly detailed pre-planning and given the fact that the actual time of gameplay is so short, the margin of error is non-existent.
all that said and there was still nothing brady could do while david tyree was plucking that ball off the top of his helmet. And all ppl care about is that he was now 3-4 in superbowls. Tyree doesn't make the catch... and somehow brady is a better player with more rings.
Never mind the pointless crossover comparison being impossible since it's two different sports, but Peyton absolutely influences the outcomes of a game as much as a top NBA player. Yes, I'm aware that an NBA players two-ways. They also are a free-flowing sport with plays called that are continuous, looping, and the rules of the game allow for them to freelance at will. NFL is the most involved sport on earth, it requires incredibly detailed pre-planning and given the fact that the actual time of gameplay is so short, the margin of error is non-existent.
all that said and there was still nothing brady could do while david tyree was plucking that ball off the top of his helmet. And all ppl care about is that he was now 3-4 in superbowls. Tyree doesn't make the catch... and somehow brady is a better player with more rings.
By the same logic...if MJ misses that final shot against Cleveland, goes on to lose that championship, he's suddenly not the greatest player of all time? Because titles "mean more individually" in the NBA?
Unless it's an individual sport like golf, you cannot use the "team sport" argument when comparing two team sports.
all that said and there was still nothing brady could do while david tyree was plucking that ball off the top of his helmet. And all ppl care about is that he was now 3-4 in superbowls. Tyree doesn't make the catch... and somehow brady is a better player with more rings.
By the same logic...if MJ misses that final shot against Cleveland, goes on to lose that championship, he's suddenly not the greatest player of all time? Because titles "mean more individually" in the NBA?
Unless it's an individual sport like golf, you cannot use the "team sport" argument when comparing two team sports.
I would agree that people even put too much stake in rings in the nba. For instance, was KG suddenly a better player after he got to boston and won that very year? But I still think a ring is more closely connected to your greatness as an nba player than it is for an nfl player.
The more I think about this I'm starting to feel like if you're the driving force behind winning (nba/nfl) you should be credited, but unless you're the main reason for a loss, especially in the nfl, I'm not gonna put much stock in it.
For me, if in two weeks peyton goes 20/30 320 yrds 3 tds and 1 turnover... and they lose to that defense, his legacy stays where it is Instead of being further tainted like everyone on espn will say.it doesn't mean russle wilson is a better qb... other shit comes into play. He has a great effect, but its any given sunday. Inthe nba finals lebron has no excuse over a 7 game series.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jan 21, 2014 13:42:51 GMT -5
To save any more paragraphs from me every game has its own story and it isn't enough simply look an individuals rings or sb record especially in a team sport
By the same logic...if MJ misses that final shot against Cleveland, goes on to lose that championship, he's suddenly not the greatest player of all time? Because titles "mean more individually" in the NBA?
Unless it's an individual sport like golf, you cannot use the "team sport" argument when comparing two team sports.
I would agree that people even put too much stake in rings in the nba. For instance, was KG suddenly a better player after he got to boston and won that very year? But I still think a ring is more closely connected to your greatness as an nba player than it is for an nfl player.
The more I think about this I'm starting to feel like if you're the driving force behind winning (nba/nfl) you should be credited, but unless you're the main reason for a loss, especially in the nfl, I'm not gonna put much stock in it.
For me, if in two weeks peyton goes 20/30 320 yrds 3 tds and 1 turnover... and they lose to that defense, his legacy stays where it is Instead of being further tainted like everyone on espn will say.it doesn't mean russle wilson is a better qb... other shit comes into play. He has a great effect, but its any given sunday. Inthe nba finals lebron has no excuse over a 7 game series.
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You're making my head hurt. Let's just stop talking about the NBA in a Peyton v. Brady thread, k?
Titles matter. Stats matter. Record matters. Coaching, roster talent, etc. all matter. It all matters.
There is no clear answer, but acting like we shouldn't count something that would single-handedly sway the argument doesn't really make sense.
Manning & Brady in some order (an order that doesn't matter since their stories aren't finished writing yet) and then everyone else.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Post by clevelndmike on Feb 3, 2014 9:02:54 GMT -5
In the post Polian rules, concussion two hand touch 7-7 era, it's Manning, if you're loading up an actual physical football game, it's Tom every day of the week.
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