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I get the logic behind their picks. Richards is supposed to be an Adrian Peterson type elite RB and it also fits a need. They think that the QB is ready to come in and start from day one and they are currently nowhere at the position.
Personally, I don't think that you need to ever spend a first round pick on a RB. (Ironic coming from a Bills fan who has seen CJ Spiller, Marshawn Lynch and Willis McGahee as first round picks in the last ten years.)
I also don't believe in starting QB's as rookies as a path to success, though there are some obvious exceptions.
I guess my point is that I think that they are better today than they were at this point yesterday. I understand how a Browns fan could be convinced that they could be much better though...
Personally, I don't think that you need to ever spend a first round pick on a RB. (Ironic coming from a Bills fan who has seen CJ Spiller, Marshawn Lynch and Willis McGahee as first round picks in the last ten years.)
I think backs are way overrated in terms of value. Paying a back any more than 4-5 M a year is spending unwisely in my opinion. Having a great rb isn't very important to a teams success. It's wonderful to have one, but it's not necessary.
I don't like what they gave up to move up one spot. We had a ton of picks but that doesn't mean we should've thrown them away so easily. Also, I thought Weeden was a little bit of a reach. The front office obviously had their hearts set on these two guys because they made sure they got them.
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Go Phins!!! We finally drafted a QB! ;D This guy was breaking records as a Freshman at Texas A&M at the position he spent most of his college years at. As a receiver? "but did you see his wife?"
I don't like what they gave up to move up one spot. We had a ton of picks but that doesn't mean we should've thrown them away so easily. Also, I thought Weeden was a little bit of a reach. The front office obviously had their hearts set on these two guys because they made sure they got them.
Yeah, I guess they were worried that someone was going to jump in front of them to take him. Seemed like a lot to give up, though.
They gave up so much to move up one spot that it convince the Bills not to move up six spots for Kallil.
On a Bills note, thrilled that Glenn dropped to them in round two. He was a really popular projection to them in round one so to be able to get him and Gilmore was a real coup. Don't know much about WR TJ Graham but it sounds like he could be a good #2 option to take some heat off of Stevie Johnson so I'm happy.
Jets just got a whoooooooooole lot faster with Coples (4.67), Davis (4.53) and Hill (4.35). Jets looked slow last year, that shouldn't be a problem anymore.
“That test don’t tell me who I am and what [type] of guy I am and what kind of ability I have,” Claiborne told SiriusXM NFL Radio, via USA Today. “That test can’t drop me.”
In the end, it didn’t. And when he was still on the board at No. 6, the Cowboys sprang up to get him.
“They say it’s an IQ test,” Claiborne added. “I came to the Combine for football. I looked at the test, and wasn’t any questions about football. I didn’t see no point in the test. I’m not in school anymore. I didn’t complete it. I only finished 15 or 18 questions.”
Post by RadioSpirit on Apr 30, 2012 2:56:32 GMT -5
How's everyone feel about their team's pickups?
I really like the Rams' draft:
Brockers fills a big need and will be a big help against the run, our weakest point, which sucks in a run-heavy division like the NFC West. He doesn't have any pass-rush ability yet, which sucks in today's league, but Fischer seems confident that the ability is there, and it can be coached into him, and he still is very young/developing.
Janoris Jenkins could turn out to be a steal if he has the talent everyone says he has and the maturity he says he's gained. Only time will tell with this one. Could become a premier shutdown corner to match with Cortland, or flame out. Same with our other new cornerback (Trumaine Johnson), though they might play him at Safety. We should finally have some talent/depth in the secondary, which will allow Cortland to play the slot, where he's most dangerous as a rusher.
Getting some receivers helps. Would have loved Michael Flloyd, but the staff seems sold on Brian Quick. You can never tell how small school guys like that are gonna turn out. Chris Givens gives us some speed and Isaiah Pead gives us a speedy compliment to Steven Jackson. The guy probably won't ever be a feature back, but can be a contributor in the return game, third downs, passing situations, screens, etc. The guy holds the all-time record for return yardage in the Senior Bowl. Finally, our new kicker is amazing. I was confused as to why we took a kicker at all, until he realized he holds the NCAA record for most consecutive field goals made (21) including 9-for-9 from 50+ (including two 58 yarders). If Janikowski can be a first-rounder, this guy was worth it in the 6th round.
Very excited for this season. Which for a Rams fan means I think we might go 7-9!
Rams had a really good draft, IMO, even if I didn't like the Brockers pick (to put it in perspective, Muhammad Wilkerson - the Jets' 2011 #1 pick - out-performed Brockers in essentially every combine measurable, but went #30...I think Brockers went to Temple, like Wilkerson, he'd have gone in a similar spot in the draft).
Jets had a pretty clear message: get faster with high character guys.
Coples is going to end up being the steal of the first round, IMO. He was the #2 rated prospect heading into 2011, and for two seasons played in the NCAA's version of the NO Saints' current environment. Coples has Richard Seymour potential, and the "character concerns" are meaningless in my mind. The guy never complained, was investigated by the NCAA for a year simply because he was friends with people who broke rules, was played at all 4 DL spots, had 4 different positional coaches, multiple coordinators and head coaches, and still...never complained. Even when he wanted to, he just bit his lip and did what was asked of him, so to me that just screams a good kid who was in a horrible situation whose heart wasn't completely in what he was doing. He seems to love Rex, so he'll play like his hair is on fire come Sundays.
Hill has a ton of potential, but he's pretty raw. He was working on his route running with Terrance Mathis since the combine, so maybe it's improved. But even if it hasn't, he needs to do two things as the #2 receiver: run block (which, as a 6'4" 225 pound WR he does exceptionally well) and run really fast down the field (which he can do with his 4.3 speed). Open up the middle of the field for Keller and Holmes, and that's a pick well spent.
The rest of the draft is potential/upside/depth. Damarius Davis, the Jets 3rd round pick who the NY Media has taken to calling "double-D" (the worst NFLer nickname possibly ever), is Bart Scott's replacement, but he's raw so the most I expect from him this year is a few NFL Countdown-worthy special teams hits.
Overall, great draft for the Jets, and boy did they need it. They reloaded at a few key spots, still have RT and safety to look at once teams make training camp cuts, but I'm very happy with the draft.
I'm loving our new GM Phil Emery. I think he did a fantastic job. Maybe I just feel that way because Angelo was awful when it came to...well...everything, but especially the draft.
We picked up some guys who will make an immediate impact on our secondary, and two more weapons for Cutler with Alshon Jeffery, who was a steal, and Evan Rodriguez.
I am very pleased.
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I've found that it's difficult to complain about Jerry Reese's picks for the Giants. He has a damn good track record. I have the biggest concerns about Wilson at RB. I think he's talented but I hope he can hang on to the ball. I think Randle was a steal at the end of the 2nd round and will develop quickly into a big time receiving threat. Robinson at TE can also fall into the same category. Mosley seems like a JPP type project on the O-line that could pay off big but the Giants need immediate help on the O-line. I guess the only thing I would say is I wish we drafted O-line in the first round.
Post by RadioSpirit on Apr 30, 2012 10:24:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I was a little confused as to why the Giants would go with an RB known for ball security issues to back up Bradshaw, when that's Bradshaw's glaring weakness.
Also, flanzo, agree that Brocker's LSU pedigree certainly helped his stock, and that will be apparent during his early time there, but I think he'll grow into the player they drafted him to be. And I agree with your assessment of Hill. I was sold on him as soon as I saw his run-blocking ability, and that should be a big help to Shonn Greene, even if it takes Hill a year or two to fully adapt to the NFL and make an real impact as a receiver.
Don't know much about WR TJ Graham but it sounds like he could be a good #2 option to take some heat off of Stevie Johnson so I'm happy.
Graham is a nice pickup. He played well at NC State, especially considering the shake up with Russel Wilson leaving. Look for him to get his start in the return game. He is the all time ACC leader in kickoff return yards. From there he can work his way into time at the WR spot.
Also, I see nothing wrong with the Browns taking Richardson so high. From all estimations, he is a game changing kind of player and this was a huge area of need for this team. If you look at the skill positions they needed (WR, RB, and QB) Richardson is the surest bet that can come in and make a difference right away.
Gilmore seems like he'll match up well with last year's 2nd rounder Aaron Williams so we've got a plan to move on from penalty-prone Drayton Florence and injury-prone Terrance McGee. (Both turn 32 this season.) Add in Ron Brooks and last year's late-rounder Justin Rogers and the Bills have four young, talented CB's in play.
Cordy Glenn was regularly mocked to the Bills at ten. Having him fall to them at 41 was a coup. Doubling up by adding in Zebrie Sanders and the Bills are much improved at tackle.
The linebackers they picked up in later rounds (Tank Carder and Nigel Bradham) seem like they know how to hit and project as future replacements for Kirk Morrison and Nick Barnett.
The worst thing about the draft is that Gary Clark Jr. now makes my eye twitch. That "Bright Lights, Big City" song might act as a trigger to send me up on a clock tower...
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
Woah, really taken aback by this. Especially since if I remember correctly he contemplated playing last season. Such a shame he didn't get his ring in 07, if anyone on that team deserved it that year, it really was him.
Just because it hasn't been mentioned yet, I think we got off easy on the BountyGate player suspensions. We have already replaced Vilma and improved our linebackers. Will Smith will be missed, but only for four games. Personally, with our free agent additions and a new D coordinator, I think we will have a better defense than last year. I think the offense will decline, though. Not by much, but without Payton it will suffer some. But come on! I think it would be impossible to improve on last years offensive numbers!
I want to say we go 12-4, but with a stronger schedule this season, I put the Saints at 11-5, winning the division, and getting the 3rd seed again. Green Bay is still too tough and San Francisco plays in a minor league division
Just because it hasn't been mentioned yet, I think we got off easy on the BountyGate player suspensions. We have already replaced Vilma and improved our linebackers. Will Smith will be missed, but only for four games. Personally, with our free agent additions and a new D coordinator, I think we will have a better defense than last year. I think the offense will decline, though. Not by much, but without Payton it will suffer some. But come on! I think it would be impossible to improve on last years offensive numbers!
I want to say we go 12-4, but with a stronger schedule this season, I put the Saints at 11-5, winning the division, and getting the 3rd seed again. Green Bay is still too tough and San Francisco plays in a minor league division
If I'm guessing now, I'm saying 10-6 and a division title as the Panthers/Falcons fight for a wild card and the Bucs just bottom dwell.
Gregg Williams to Spags don't run the same defense, so there will be growing pains (Williams blitzes constantly, Spags relies on the front four). Lofton is an upgrade, Hawthorne is good at MLB, but he's shifting to the outside, and Shanle is just plain awful. Not having Will Smith (your best pass rusher by about a million miles) against Rodgers, Newton and RGIII will be an issue, so the offense better start off the season firing on all cylinders.
10-6, with a chance to go to the 12-4/13-3 range if things work in their favor.
Just because it hasn't been mentioned yet, I think we got off easy on the BountyGate player suspensions. We have already replaced Vilma and improved our linebackers. Will Smith will be missed, but only for four games. Personally, with our free agent additions and a new D coordinator, I think we will have a better defense than last year. I think the offense will decline, though. Not by much, but without Payton it will suffer some. But come on! I think it would be impossible to improve on last years offensive numbers!
I want to say we go 12-4, but with a stronger schedule this season, I put the Saints at 11-5, winning the division, and getting the 3rd seed again. Green Bay is still too tough and San Francisco plays in a minor league division
If I'm guessing now, I'm saying 10-6 and a division title as the Panthers/Falcons fight for a wild card and the Bucs just bottom dwell.
Gregg Williams to Spags don't run the same defense, so there will be growing pains (Williams blitzes constantly, Spags relies on the front four). Lofton is an upgrade, Hawthorne is good at MLB, but he's shifting to the outside, and Shanle is just plain awful. Not having Will Smith (your best pass rusher by about a million miles) against Rodgers, Newton and RGIII will be an issue, so the offense better start off the season firing on all cylinders.
10-6, with a chance to go to the 12-4/13-3 range if things work in their favor.
If Ingram stays healthy, the offense won't drop off at all. I believe firmly that Carmichael is a better play caller than Payton. We will just miss Payton's motivation.
Post by RadioSpirit on May 8, 2012 11:03:20 GMT -5
The only thing to look for is if this really damages team morale/chemistry or becomes a distraction into the season. But as long as the players look at it as another obstacle to overcome, I think the Saints can still be very successful this season. I honestly think a year-long suspension for Vilma is too much and I hope it gets reduced. And this comes from a kinda-semi-quasi-sorta-vaguely-Falcons-supporter.
And Spags/Williams D-schemes aren't as different as they may seem at first (take it from a Rams fan). They both focus on getting pressure on the opposing quarterback as the main goal. Williams blitzes more, but Spags still relies on exotic blitzing schemes. The Rams were 7th in total sacks in 2010, before the Defense fell apart from injuries in 2011. I think Spags will be able to utilize the skills that Williams has imparted on the Defense to fit his scheme. I was looking forward to Williams doing the same for the Rams, but that's not happening now...
If I'm guessing now, I'm saying 10-6 and a division title as the Panthers/Falcons fight for a wild card and the Bucs just bottom dwell.
Gregg Williams to Spags don't run the same defense, so there will be growing pains (Williams blitzes constantly, Spags relies on the front four). Lofton is an upgrade, Hawthorne is good at MLB, but he's shifting to the outside, and Shanle is just plain awful. Not having Will Smith (your best pass rusher by about a million miles) against Rodgers, Newton and RGIII will be an issue, so the offense better start off the season firing on all cylinders.
10-6, with a chance to go to the 12-4/13-3 range if things work in their favor.
If Ingram stays healthy, the offense won't drop off at all. I believe firmly that Carmichael is a better play caller than Payton. We will just miss Payton's motivation.
I dunno, maybe you know something I don't, but how can Carmichael be a better play caller than Payton?
It's Payton & McCarthy......then everyone else, at least to the rest of the country. I'm just asking because Carmichael's never been a play caller before, so I'm wondering if there's been stuff flying around NO that's been talking him up.
1. Payton calling a goal line dive to Ingram on 4th and goal against to Packers with no time left. The defense knew it was coming and the ball was given to a rookie. Bad play call.
2. Carmichael called the Colts game. Sure, the Colts were horrid. But you can't use the Manning excuse for the defense. Result: 62 points.
It's the little things, really. Payton will make bad calls in certain situations. The offense was rolling for the few games that Carmichael called when Payton was injured last season.
If Brees is the quarterback, it really doesn't matter who calls the plays.
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1. Payton calling a goal line dive to Ingram on 4th and goal against to Packers with no time left. The defense knew it was coming and the ball was given to a rookie. Bad play call.
2. Carmichael called the Colts game. Sure, the Colts were horrid. But you can't use the Manning excuse for the defense. Result: 62 points.
It's the little things, really. Payton will make bad calls in certain situations. The offense was rolling for the few games that Carmichael called when Payton was injured last season.
If Brees is the quarterback, it really doesn't matter who calls the plays.
Yeah, I've never understood why teams don't put the ball in the hands of their best player in any game's-on-the-line play. Brees not getting the ball in that type of situation is laughable.
And yeah, the Colts were truly, truly awful. Running up the score like the Saints did was '07 Pats-esque, and I'm sure if Payton was calling plays they could've done the same thing.
I'd still rather have Payton, but your point about Brees sums it up. As long as he's running the offense, you or I could call plays and score 30/game most weeks.
Post by RadioSpirit on May 8, 2012 12:06:37 GMT -5
Me playcalling for the Saints: "Colston, go try to get open. Moore and Henderson, go deep. Graham, do whatever it is you do. Sproles, come out of the backfield and try to get open. Brees, throw it to someone."
I'm fairly confident that I could then beat most of the teams in the NFL.
I'm extremely excited about this season. Bountygate aside, we have a great schedule of tough teams which should be great to watch. I want to see how denver does with peyton, if the old man still has it. I want to watch the drama in new york with sanchez and tebow. I want to see how the nfc east and north pan out as teams are only getting stronger. I want to see how luck and rg3 compare throughout the season. I want to win another fantasy league. I can't wait