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so people who have broken our laws should have a path to citizenship?? I guess you choose to ignore this will only encourage others to break immigration law.."hey guys just jump the border and get to america THEN we will have a path to citizenship" "if we hurry up and have a child then my child we automatically become american get benefits to attend college based on the dream act and make it real tought for the law breaker parent to get deported"
See the object is to discourage people from entering illegally. Who not give every bank robber a free college education? Hey afterall they simply want a better life for their children
Giving bank robbers children a free education and benefits only encourages more bank robbers
I see we are wearing our reality blinders again today. Do you really believe it makes sense to send a 17 year old who grew up in Iowa through no decision of his own back to Mexico City? Or should we offer that person a path through military service, or GETTING THEIR OWN" 4 year degree? In which of these scenarios do you think the US wins and becomes a stronger better nation?
The fact of the matter is that every one on here breaks the law probably at least once a week. Maybe it is minor like speeding or driving home a little tipsy, or maybe it is a corn habit, possibly you buy from Amazon and do not voluntarily pay remit your sales tax to the state as required by law in most places. Are those people bank robbers as well? Should the cops go ahead and put you in jail if you can not prove you paid the tax on your new T-Pain cd, until you are able to?
There are 15 million illegal immigrants in this country, driving them further underground and marginalizing them is not really going to accomplish much policy wise. Or maybe we should set up special camps were we can send anyone with the wrong colored skin or accent so that we can concentrate them in one place. Possibly we could also get all Hispanics who have been checked out little flags that they will have to wear on their shirts if they leave their neighborhoods and go out in public. That way we will know who is and is not an illegal.
What does skin color have anything to do with being an illegal?? An illegal can have any skin color. Being illegal simply means you came into our nation without the correct paperwork so therefore you must now leave.
15 Million illegals? Why do we have any? allowing them the same rights and overlooking the fact they broke our nations laws only encourages this behavior. The stream of illegals over the past few decades hasn't decreased.
Illegal immigration costs our nation Billions and drives down the working wage for all americans.
If a 17 year old's parents break the law I agree it's not the child's fault it's the parents. If the parents and kids get sent back to their homeland it's not america's fault. It's the parents who broke the law.
What about the 17 year old kid who's parents are robbers, killer's, drug dealers. They get sent to prison and the poor child has to grow up with his parent in jail. Now being raised by the state in a different school ect. Should we not arrest those parents simply b/c bad shit happens to the child?? Yeah let's cut the parents a break afterall they just wanted a better life...So they killed a person so what they have a 17 year old. Think about him LMFAO
If you break the law and it effects your family it's on you. Illegal immigration, drugs ect.
Why do i need a ticket to get into bonnaroo?? why can't I just sneak in and then when I get into bonnaroo the promoters say thanks for showing up here is a VIP pass. After all your already inside bonnaroo might as well make the most of it. Would this behavior encourage people to purchase tickets to bonnaroo or jump the fence?? You already know the answer..
Don't fall for the PC patrol. Being for a sound legal immigration policy in NO WAY makes you a racist
So now illegal immigration is the ONLY law we care about enforcing anymore?? Really?? If American Citizans break the law every day doing much worse than taking up space, breathing oxygen and gasp! Working....then we don't care cause they are here legally doing illegal things? Let's enforce what we can in the order it NEEDS to be enforced without looking at anyone's papers...this is not the SS/Gestapo...and hopefully never will be..
There are ways to enforce immigration law that are, and there are ways to enforce immigration law that are not. I feel that the latter category should not be included in a sound legal immigration policy. It's the unsound policy which crosses those lines.
Two elected Republican officials - Rep. Sean Duffy and freshman state senator Pam Galloway - will be participating in the Wausau Labor Day parade. The mayor threatened to seek reimbursement for parade expenses otherwise incurred by the city if they were not allowed to participate. I've got a feeling at least one of those two will make a cameo in this upcoming week's "adoring public" clip. Galloway voted for Act 10; former Real World cast member* Duffy lost a good deal of footing for a remark about "struggling" on his $174K Congressional salary a few months ago. *Yes, we actually have a former reality TV persona elected to Congress in this state. I'm not exactly proud to say that. He rode the tea party tide in 2010, flipping a seat held by a retiring Democrat.
Teachers have taken retirement in 2011 at twice the rate they had been in either of the past two years. State employees in general have retired in 2011 at about 2.5x the rate they have been in either of the past two years. I'm particularly anticipating my next conversation with a teacher.
Happy Labor Day weekend, everyone. Make sure to contemplate and celebrate all that the labor movement and working class have done to make this country great. I will be spending mine at LaborFest at the Madison Labor Temple before attending a Tom Morello concert.
Unfortunately for me, I had scheduled a floating holiday for Labor Day and had to move it to Freefest weekend because of mandatory overtime situation. So I got to go to work on Monday... ugh.
Unfortunately for me, I had scheduled a floating holiday for Labor Day and had to move it to Freefest weekend because of mandatory overtime situation. So I got to go to work on Monday... ugh.
Corporate America kinda sucks sometimes.
That stinks! But at least Corporate America only sucks sometimes. The government sucks perpetually.
But at least Corporate America only sucks sometimes. The government sucks perpetually.
I just want to speak on point of clarification here...
I would like to think that there's some recurrent underlying themes to what I've been saying/doing here.
One of them is that the source of the present problem is the shifting dominance from government to corporations during the course of our lifetimes.
I don't know about you, but I think corporate America calls more of the shots in our government than we the people. If our government "sucks perpetually," I feel it is primarily due to this.
It doesn't matter whether it's collective bargaining, immigration, environmental standards, health care, military engagements, taxation, trade, voting issues, or pretty much any issue you care to name... the odds are overwhelming that corporate America and the uber-wealthy have more collective say in these government decisions than we the people at large. None of those former problems will be properly addressed until that final one is dealt with.
I think the window of opportunity to deal with that is closing within our lifetime.
Trust me, corporate America isn't going to run things any better left unchecked...
It doesn't matter whether it's collective bargaining, immigration, environmental standards, health care, military engagements, taxation, trade, voting issues, or pretty much any issue you care to name... the odds are overwhelming that corporate America and the uber-wealthy have more collective say in these government decisions than we the people at large. None of those former problems will be properly addressed until that final one is dealt with.
I think the window of opportunity to deal with that is closing within our lifetime.
Trust me, corporate America isn't going to run things any better left unchecked...
It doesn't matter whether it's collective bargaining, immigration, environmental standards, health care, military engagements, taxation, trade, voting issues, or pretty much any issue you care to name... the odds are overwhelming that corporate America and the uber-wealthy have more collective say in these government decisions than we the people at large. None of those former problems will be properly addressed until that final one is dealt with.
I think the window of opportunity to deal with that is closing within our lifetime.
Trust me, corporate America isn't going to run things any better left unchecked...
And this is what scares the poop outta me.
This I agree with. Term limits would be a huge step in taking back some of the power special interest groups (yes unions are also special interest groups) have over law's
I am not blind to the fact that many business people have made generations of money based on illegal immigration. THIS IS WRONG!! Special interests have brought us to this situation today
I have made reference to this it's called the OLD money. The old power structure. They are scared shitless by groups like the tea party
NOW is the time more than ever that a 3rd party. Grass roots by the people stand up and take this nation back. I think we all agree the average americans voice isn't being heard. Special interest groups are ruling the day. Old money is fighting like hell to discredit any and all that oppose the old power
Scott walker he stepped up to the OLD money special interest unions.
I have made reference to this it's called the OLD money. The old power structure. They are scared shitless by groups like the tea party
The Koch brothers didn't become billionaires themselves, they were born into it. How are they not old money? They spend their inherited wealth sponsoring Tea Party rallies & bus tours in addition to funding their candidates & PACs. That is hardly my definition of "scared shitless by," and I think most reasonable people would concur with me. I guarantee you that the existing power structure is more afraid of people like myself than they are of the Tea Party.
Let me guess... you're going to proclaim that this urgently-needed third party is the Tea Party? Hardly.
There was a recent article in the NY Times about an ongoing survey that's been being conducted by Harvard professor Robert Putnam. Some of you may recognize the name as the author of Bowling Alone, a sociological text of about ten years ago investigating the coming-undone of community association in America. These days, Putnam and a partner have been conducting a long-term study tracking the political attitudes of three thousand Americans. Their study goes back to 2006, before there even was a Tea Party.
Having this longitudinal survey information, they were able to look back and determine a number of predictors as to which individuals would identify with the Tea Party. You know what the strongest predictors correlating with future Tea Party identification turned out to be? #1: affiliation with the Republican Party. #2: desire to see a stronger mix of religion and politics #3: distrust of minorities and immigrants
The Tea Party is nothing more than the Republican base and the religious right, trying to distance themselves from the failures of the Bush administration through rebranding themselves. I hate to break it to you, but most of America isn't buying it. Most of America wants something new, and we realize the Tea Party is just offering more of the same.
I think we all agree the average americans voice isn't being heard. Special interest groups are ruling the day. Old money is fighting like hell to discredit any and all that oppose the old power
You know, sometimes you hit pretty close to the mark. You get the symptoms down right, but are completely off in your diagnosis of the disease. Your analysis here is correct, but when you move along to the actual root causes, you plant your head firmly betwixt your buttocks.
Scott walker he stepped up to the OLD money special interest unions.
You're putting on those blinders again, with that narrow focus on unions. I don't deny that they constitute a special interest group, yes. But old money? No. These organizations have existed for generations, yes. That doesn't make their money "old money." Unions perennially raise their own funds from their membership. It's ongoing, as opposed to those who were born wealthy. Scott Walker didn't step up because he was opposed to unions himself, necessarily. Scott Walker stepped up because the majority of his funding - his very political livelihood - is dependent upon the wishes of other special interests.
The battle began with Reagan a generation ago. It just recently got to the point where wealthy interests felt labor was weakened to the point where they were in a position to go in for the kill. To borrow a phrase from the previous occupant of the White House... they misunderestimated them.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Sept 5, 2011 17:27:43 GMT -5
The Tea Party is simply an anosognosic group who has been deluded by interests groups that are not theirs. Their momentum, fortunately, has likely reached its full dynamism. The revolution shall come, but not in the form of the Tea Party.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
The Tea Party is simply an anosognosic group who has been deluded by interests groups that are not theirs. Their momentum, fortunately, has likely reached its full dynamism. The revolution shall come, but not in the form of the Tea Party.
Exactly, good point. The Tea Party message of smaller government is basically being used by fiscal conservatives to minimize role of government while discreetly benefiting corporate influence.
And now that the Supreme Court has made corporations "people". Unfortunately, they can't infuse them with a conscience. I honestly think that most of the people who have associated themselves with the Tea Party have good intentions but are short-sighted, uncompromising puppets for Corporate America.
A corporation only cares about one thing - the bottom line. And that's what they're supposed to be concerned with because they represent their shareholders interests - not the interests of America. This was one of the stupidest decisions the SC has ever made.
I think Tea Party members have America's interests at heart but they are being duped by "old money" into promoting their agenda (tax breaks for the rich, deregulation, environmental rape).
I just want to speak on point of clarification here...
I would like to think that there's some recurrent underlying themes to what I've been saying/doing here.
One of them is that the source of the present problem is the shifting dominance from government to corporations during the course of our lifetimes.
I don't know about you, but I think corporate America calls more of the shots in our government than we the people. If our government "sucks perpetually," I feel it is primarily due to this.
It doesn't matter whether it's collective bargaining, immigration, environmental standards, health care, military engagements, taxation, trade, voting issues, or pretty much any issue you care to name... the odds are overwhelming that corporate America and the uber-wealthy have more collective say in these government decisions than we the people at large. None of those former problems will be properly addressed until that final one is dealt with.
I think the window of opportunity to deal with that is closing within our lifetime.
Trust me, corporate America isn't going to run things any better left unchecked...
I agree in theory at least...Corporate America isn't just one huge Lobby effort...it's MILLIONS of individual companies who's business model is closely enough aligned to lobby for generic Business Interests. But unfortunately....the government itself has become a business more so than most people realize. Heck, the government has bought into the notion of ERP systems to do "just in time" ordering and supply. Hello?? Anyone who has worked with/for the government oh....EVER...understands that the Army doesn't run like Boeing or Airbus.....they don't control their end-to-end inventory and processes.....and the fact that they are even TRYING to fit that model scares the begeebers out of me!
I just want to speak on point of clarification here...
I would like to think that there's some recurrent underlying themes to what I've been saying/doing here.
One of them is that the source of the present problem is the shifting dominance from government to corporations during the course of our lifetimes.
I don't know about you, but I think corporate America calls more of the shots in our government than we the people. If our government "sucks perpetually," I feel it is primarily due to this.
It doesn't matter whether it's collective bargaining, immigration, environmental standards, health care, military engagements, taxation, trade, voting issues, or pretty much any issue you care to name... the odds are overwhelming that corporate America and the uber-wealthy have more collective say in these government decisions than we the people at large. None of those former problems will be properly addressed until that final one is dealt with.
I think the window of opportunity to deal with that is closing within our lifetime.
Trust me, corporate America isn't going to run things any better left unchecked...
I agree in theory at least...Corporate America isn't just one huge Lobby effort...it's MILLIONS of individual companies who's business model is closely enough aligned to lobby for generic Business Interests. But unfortunately....the government itself has become a business more so than most people realize. Heck, the government has bought into the notion of ERP systems to do "just in time" ordering and supply. Hello?? Anyone who has worked with/for the government oh....EVER...understands that the Army doesn't run like Boeing or Airbus.....they don't control their end-to-end inventory and processes.....and the fact that they are even TRYING to fit that model scares the begeebers out of me!
Corporate America isn't just one huge lobbying effort, this is true. Also true is that Corporate America has one huge lobbying effort. (I could split hairs here, but I'll just state that it goes beyond mere lobbying here - and the fact I'm using "mere" as a descriptor with the reviled "lobbying" should say something too.) All of business doesn't have to be united under this umbrella for it to not exist or not exert undue influence on our democratic process.
You talk about millions of businesses having similar enough interests to maintain a generic lobby. I'm not going to deny that. Where I'm going to split hairs here is the difference between big business/corporations and the millions of businesses out there. I think it better to not lump all businesses, regardless of size, into the same category with the same interests. There is a difference between the needs & actions of Big Business and Small Business in American politics.
I know not every business is participating in these activities. Just because it's something they're not 100% aligned on does not mean it's not a problem worth correcting. Do I think every individual citizen is a murderer? No. Do I think every individual citizen is capable of murder? I can't rule it out. Do I think there should be laws prohibiting every individual citizen from committing murder, even though a vast majority of the populace are not murderers? Absolutely.
I know it's not small business behind this effort. Small businesses have their own concerns and troubles staying afloat, and it's often enough of an individual endeavour for those small business owners where political activity is something there's not the time and/or money to engage in.
I have to agree with you that there are many functions/entities of government that should not be run like a business. Not every single collective endeavour in our nation needs to be undertaken for the prime directive of extracting profit. I think your comments about operating government with a business-style model only helps to underscore my earlier point that our government's tanking these days because of outside corporate influence.
I mean, look what happened when we elected our first MBA president...
Post by chicagorooer on Sept 7, 2011 14:48:45 GMT -5
so the union Thug Hoffa want to "take them son of bitches out"...The thugs are losing power and NOW blaming the tea party for america's credit rating downgrade
AMUSING!!!
Let's see Obama has been in office going on about 3 years and as democrats wants to point out it's not his fault he inheritated this economic mess
Yet at the same time the newly elected tea party members of congress all ~~31 of them are responsible for america's credit downgrade in a short 7 months!!!
WOW the rhetoric has hit a fevered pitch. Keep thinking the union thugs give a shit about their members. If you really believe this then u simply have your head firmly placed between the buttocks
Post by chicagorooer on Sept 7, 2011 14:57:06 GMT -5
Unions perennially raise their own funds from their membership
I loved that comment the most by MR forward. Simply ask yourself why does many labor unions have a waiver from obama care?? How did they get this waiver while the rest of us can't.
Bottom line you won't see ANYBODY at a union meeting stand up against the politics being passed down by union leaders. Very simple don't agree with the union boss on politics then you won't have a job. Union thugs and democrats have been tied politically for decades. Union members are sheep and vote in blocks.
Union made USED to mean something. Now we know it's all BS...most of them are in the parking lot smoking up or drinking on lunch...I support the workers not the thug union leaders
Geesh you can't even get many labor jobs UNLESS you join the union
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Sept 7, 2011 15:13:08 GMT -5
And if you think that Rick Perry, or any other GOP candidate, gives a poop about any of the average Tea Party members, 45% of whom make less than 50000 a year, then you have your head firmly planted not just between your buttocks, but all the way up to your sigmoid colon.
These are the back pockets where Perry resides. Not yours, not mine, not Joe Blows. I respect a movement that supports redefining government. But the candidates that the TP are supporting are a bunch of ass hats bowing down to the man, kissing his gold ring so that he'll stuff Benjamins into their pockets. These clowns don't give a poop about the working man and woman or their kids or schools or health. They don't care about any of the bricks that are the foundation of this country. They would sooner see it all crumble away, as long as they can watch from the penthouse.
The TP are just a bunch of worker bees making Royal Jelly for the queen. Too bad they can't see that so that they can be the powering force behind a movement that would actually make a positive difference to their own lives, and to the country as a whole.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Good to know I went to the trouble to call out Chicagorooer for failure to understand basic features of this forum, keeping this thread focused on state topics, and treating his fellow Inforooers with a minimum modicum of respect.
Moderators, you had words with him. They didn't work.
I think it's time to turn it up a notch. I would appreciate your feedback on this.
Good to know I went to the trouble to call out Chicagorooer for failure to understand basic features of this forum, keeping this thread focused on state topics, and treating his fellow Inforooers with a minimum modicum of respect.
Moderators, you had words with him. They didn't work.
I think it's time to turn it up a notch. I would appreciate your feedback on this.
Sorry Kevin, I don't see anything so bad that it requires any turning up of notches. There are disagreements and tensions, but I don't find that out of the ordinary for a political thread.
If you can find specific examples, please use the report or pm mods link.
I think the biggest complaint is: off topic posting. Chicago is discussing national issues (which should be in the other political topic), and trolling on top of it. Meanwhile Kdogg wants to keep this to Wisconsin issues only.
And if you think that Rick Perry, or any other GOP candidate, gives a poop about any of the average Tea Party members, 45% of whom make less than 50000 a year, then you have your head firmly planted not just between your buttocks, but all the way up to your sigmoid colon.
Nurses have a knack for always coming up with the most colorful anatomical insults.
Yeah, LLL sent me to the dictionary with another one of those words earlier.
Chicagorooer, I should let you know that my offer to help you lean the Quote feature still stands. I'm sure I won't be the only one here cheering if/when you can figure out how that works.
Missing somewhere from this thread the past couple weeks was finally closing up shop between the elections and the end of the month.
Wednesday after the final 8/16 recalls was a day off. We didn't have any volunteers in after that point. Thursday was the beginning of the takedown. Friday was just some of us leads team members making phone calls. These were easy - we were just inviting people to a volunteer thank you picnic. There were maybe ten of us there at most at any one time. We made fifteen hundred calls that day.
We had that potluck on Monday the 22nd. We probably had 125-150 people in attendance, ourselves included. We had a band playing protest songs, and guest speakers Sens. Mark Miller & Fred Risser as well as Rep. Brett Hulsey. Nick & Zach spoke, too. Not much new to hear there. Accomplishments were recapped. We did go from "can we make 14k calls in a week?" to "knocking out 100k calls in four days" in the course of two months. We made half of the Democratic Party calls statewide. Our calls were arguably a difference-maker in the race where Jess King unseated Sen. Randy Hopper. We went onto Republican turf and made considerable gains, even if we didn't flip the senate. No small feats. Hulsey called the leads team up while he spoke and we were up there the rest of the time. Sens. Miller & Risser did have some stories that about the decision to go to Illinois and during their time there. Here, Sen. Risser - Madison's state senator - is getting worked up speaking to the crowd while his colleague Sen. Miller (red "14" cap) looks on. He's the longest-serving state legislator in the nation, having held office for fifty-some years. Sen. Miller ended his speech by leading the crowd in a "thank you" chant and ovation for us on the leads team. I got a bit verklempt right there. Nick & Zach had some closing thoughts. Nick being Nick, he insisted we end the meeting with a "democracy breakdown." One of those goofy things he'd have us do around the office all the time. You know, huddle up, hands stacked, "1 2 3 democracy!" (or whatever word it would be at the time.) He called everyone up to the front because he wanted to have one last big one. We did, and I got a shaky lefty one-hander picture because he asked for one. That was more or less the end of that.
We had a leads team barbecue the Wednesday after that at Nick and his girlfriend's place.
The office lease officially ran out at the end of the month. The final moveout was on Tuesday the 30th. We had just a half dozen of us to move it all out - DGP, myself, Nick & Zach and their girlfriends. It took about six hours and at least that many trips to clear the place out. What didn't go back to the Democratic Party office, we took to Goodwill.
Or looted for ourselves. There were goodies to be had as far as protest signs and office supplies were concerned. My favorite score was the bell people rang when landing voters. Zach tried to dispose of his autographed picture of Bowzer from Sha Na Na. I pulled it from the trash as soon as his back was turned, vowing to make sure it left the office with him.
Probably the choicest piece of office memorabilia was the Thank You board which was signed by legislators (and Bowzer) passing through the office: If neither of the staffers would've taken it, I'd have been all over it, but it went home with Zach. On one condition. He erased the name of recall challenger Rep. Fred Clark from the board before he would take it home. "He fucking cost us the senate."
In the newly-created blank space, while Zach wasn't looking, I taped Bowzer's autographed photo face-down against the board. He didn't seem to notice it as he walked out the door. Nick knew what was up and gave me a high five. We had a deadline to return the van, so we made one last run split between Goodwill and DGP's house. We unloaded some things he claimed and all went our separate ways. Before he got in the van to leave, Nick pointed and called me out across the parking lot before driving off: "Hey Kev-dawg, you fucking rock!"
I told him however many times it was Kevin or kdogg or nothing at all, but I guess that message never stuck. I'll still take it.
I think the biggest complaint is: off topic posting. Chicago is discussing national issues (which should be in the other political topic), and trolling on top of it. Meanwhile Kdogg wants to keep this to Wisconsin issues only.
That's what I've gathered anyway.
Lower it has nothing to do with state news. Simply read the last page. You will see discussions on evil corporations and Rick Perry....so that can't be it
I have been told that I should be shot in Cleveland and Kdogg even said I have my head planted in my buttocks. I make no personal attacks, I refrain from flame wars. I simply stopped in this thread to state my thoughts about the current state of affairs for labor unions
This JUST isn't my thoughts. The state of wisconsin, the postal service and many others are re-thinking their relationships with union thugs. Hoffa stated "take them son's of bitches out". The violent talk as I mentioned is being turned up by the unions. Sad after Obama called for a toning down of the rhetoric after what happen to that nice giffords lady in Arizona
One thing really stands out in Kdoggs last few pictures. I SEE NO DIVERSITY.
Should I conclude these are racist rallies? Should I conclude these people are crazy and out of touch with what the state wants? Clearly they are in the minority.
However I won't do that. That is exactly what liberal democrats have tried to do with the tea party. They even tried to pin the nation credit down grade on tea party congressmen. even though they have been in office only 7 months. Yet the economy is bushes fault according to dems (which is partly true, so clinton is also to blame, daddy bush ect)
I feel union memebers have little integrity when it comes to these types of issues. I mean they only care about 1 thing..keeping their job. The union leaders want to keep their jobs and power. They care nothing for the state or the companies they work for. I say they have no integrity b/c they follow in lock step the union leaders political agenda. I DON'T blame them. THEY JOBS are at stake if they don't follow the union leaders.
I could never work in an environment where I get paid the same as the next guy even though he is a horrible employee. You should get paid on the value you bring to an organization not the start date
Wisonsin was the "bellweather" Unions will be a thing of the past just like the league of nations
gasp! Working....then we don't care cause they are here legally doing illegal things? Let's enforce what we can in the order it NEEDS to be enforced without looking at anyone's papers...this is not the SS/Gestapo...and hopefully never will be..
