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Nobody's 'asking for it' and it is the height of pathetic to ever think they 'had it coming.'
Did I ever use those words? Nope. Rape is an ugly thing, and I have seen both sides of it. A cousin of mine was raped repeatedly for nearly 6 months by a relative, and my first girlfriend was abducted and raped when she was 11. Also, a very good friend of mine was falsely accused of rape by an ex girlfriend. It got plead down to a lesser charge, but it still got him discharged from the armed services, and got his name of the sex offenders list.
Speaking of 'forcible rape', Kobe Bryant's rape even left injuries/blood. But he's, like, super famous and he won a bunch of NBA Finals, so the rape was taken away and that girl is just fine now!
The 3 smudges of blood found on kobes tshirt were invisible to the human eye. Furthermore, when the "victim" was interviewed and examined by the police, she was wearing panties that had seminal fluid and pubic hair from someone other than kobe. The victim had twice attempted sucide, and had be admitted to an inpatient mental health clinic for depression just 4 months before the incident. Also, at the time of the incident, she was taking anti-psychotic drugs to treat schizophrenia. Her story seemed to change like the direction of the wind, and on top of all that, she decided not to testify after they settled her civil case.
Kobe Bryant's rape case was exactly what I was refering to. I dont know much about Roethisberger's rape accusations, other than the 1st accusation was a civil suit, and that no criminal charges were ever pressed; and that the second charge was dropped due to lack of evidence. The first case was obviously (to me atleast) bogus, as she didn't attempt to press charges, but instead just went after the money. The second case seemed much more legitimate, and that rape may have happened, but you don't know for sure, and neither do I, so its senseless to argue about it.
Mike Vick deserved jail, and he should have been banned from the NFL for life.
Donte Stallworth killed a man and got just 30 days in jail and a one year ban. Should he have been banned for life? What Vick did was atrocious and he deserved jail, but to prevent him from earning a living in the NFL is ridiculous. If he had been a damn construction worker and then convicted of dog fighting would you say he shouldnt be able to work in construction again? I was conflicted when the Eagles signed him, but he's saying and doing all the right things so it at least SEEMS like he's remorseful
I think the superbowl gonna be a defensive battle with both teams scoring around 20 points. I'm picking Packers in a close one
How many kids do you know of that idolize construction workers?
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Jan 30, 2011 15:38:23 GMT -5
Big Ben is a piece and has been since college. No one who knew him has been surprised to hear of his exploits.
Kobe's woman on the other hand was an aspiring musician who tried out for american idol and failed, lied to the lead detective, showed up to her exam with another guys semen on her underwear, was on pills to treat schizophrenia, and was in a hospital four months before the incident as a danger to herself. That one is a little less believable, and was deemed so in court.
I don't know why athletes need to be made examples of. They're young men with a lot of money who don't have real jobs. If they were thugs before now they're just thugs with money. Why would they change their ways because they're professional athletes, why do people expect them to? Its parents and societies faults for not making the distinction of idolizing their skills and idolizing their character.
Edit:I never grew up thinking I wanted to be a good person like Michael Jordan. I loved watching him play, but always realized he was just an athlete. I did and still do want to dominate people like he did, though. A trait which people frown upon because he's supposed to be the perfect human being. Also Mike Vick saying he would still be doing it doesn't surprise me or mean he isn't sorry. He just didn't know any better before. It was part of the culture he grew up with. How many people here have lived in Newport News? How many have even been there?
Post by guitardevil on Jan 30, 2011 16:00:43 GMT -5
just to put it in perspective... vick got 23 months, and a guy who had a dogfighting magazine got 30 months for transferring images of dogfighting across state lines. i'd say what vick got was pretty lax.
and anyone who feels hate towards vick is justified. he broke the law, mercilessly killed living creatures, and made money off the deaths.
i see your from philly sasquatch so there's no changing your mind here.
Post by noeysasquatch on Jan 30, 2011 16:28:01 GMT -5
it doesnt matter if im from philly or not. theres obviously no changing your mind either, regardless of where you are from. when the eagles signed him i wasnt happy about it but hes shown remorse. if my dad who is a lifelong veterinarian of small animals can forgive vick, why cant others? some people lack the power to forgive and that is sad. im done repeating this same stuff over and over to people who lack the ability to forgive. This is a thread about the superbowl so to the packers and steelers fans here im sorry that this has gone so off topic
Answering a question with a question jhammet? like i said before, haters gonna hate and will do anything to try and justify the hate
My question is a valid one. You said that his job in the NFL should be treated like a construction workers job, and that he shouldn't lose it because of his dog killing ways. In return, I asked if knew of any children who idolized construction workers. I am assuming that you don't, as I have never heard of a kid asking a construction worker for his autograph, or a kid saving his money all sumer so that he could buy that construction worker's jersey and wear it to school.
Like it or not, sports athletes are idolized by the youth of america. The NFL understands this, atleast to a degree, and have their personal conduct policy, which is in place to entice players (through threat of discipline) to maintain a healthy and positive public image. Michael Vick, because he is arguably the greatest QB in the game right now, was given a lesser sentence than he (IMO) deserved. Argue that point all you want, but if this happened to a 3rd string quarterback that noone had ever heard of, he would be playing arena football for the rest of his days.
i kind of think it boils down to the fact that if you have a felony charge, you should probably be dismissed from your job (especially when you make millions of dollars). it is hard to get a job as a felon, and rightfully so. you choose to do something harmful that was against the law and you have to live with the consequences. if vick or stallworth or roethlisberger were a lawyer or a store manager, they wouldn't be able to go back to their jobs. hell, even favre would have gotten let go from most respectable jobs for sending unwanted naked pics to a female "coworker" type.
anyways, thought most of you guys would enjoy this little news article....seems dallas is on the look out for 10,000 new temporary strippers b/c they believe the demand will be so high next weekend.
theres obviously no changing your mind either, regardless of where you are from.
that's because dogfighting is a serious issue in this country and gives an entire breed a bad rap, which leads to euthanasia at too large a scale. i'm sorry, sasquatch, that i care about dogs. you seem to be able to just shrug it off and forgive vick.
i too think that this has gotten too off topic, but i can't stand for people who defend vick, he still has a debt to be paid. i mean, plaxico got more time and he shot HIMSELF.
How many kids do you know of that idolize construction workers?
every kid whose dad/grandpa/brother is a construction worker...yes, believe it or not, some of them have fans too..
anyway, i would like the pack to win it for the nfc, but i figure ole ben rapesenberger will pull something out of his ass in the 4th q like he did in sb43
Just to opine on the debate that seems to have consumed the thread... I get the sense there's more remorse coming from Michael Vick over his transgressions than Big Ben over his. True, he said he'd still be dogfighting if he hadn't been caught. He's just being honest. I do think bankruptcy, jail time, community service and the like have had an influence on him. I would trust him alone with a of the dog I care for before I'd trust Roethlisberger alone with a woman I care for.
Now, to make this post relevant to the topic....
The Steelers' Troy Polomalu narrowly edged out Packer Clay Matthews III for AP Defensive Player of the year. In third was the Steelers' James Harrison.
Last, but certainly not least.... ncbst3: you, me, beer bet?
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Jan 31, 2011 21:50:32 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about Polamalu. He had a pretty forgettable first half, but there wasn't really a dominant defensive player this year who was clearly better. I saw Haloti Ngata got some votes and will say that he is hugely underrated. Probably one of the few guys in the nfl, other than qb's, who really is irreplaceable. I say Ed Reed or Bob Sanders would match Troy's production in his system.
Just to opine on the debate that seems to have consumed the thread... I get the sense there's more remorse coming from Michael Vick over his transgressions than Big Ben over his. True, he said he'd still be dogfighting if he hadn't been caught. He's just being honest. I do think bankruptcy, jail time, community service and the like have had an influence on him. I would trust him alone with a of the dog I care for before I'd trust Roethlisberger alone with a woman I care for.
Now, to make this post relevant to the topic....
The Steelers' Troy Polomalu narrowly edged out Packer Clay Matthews III for AP Defensive Player of the year. In third was the Steelers' James Harrison.
Last, but certainly not least.... ncbst3: you, me, beer bet?
absolutely. We going with the spread or just straight up win?
Yea I care about dogs too. Mine is old and senile as hell but i still love it
jhammett, You said earlier that mike vick should be banned from the nfl for life. Doo the same rules apply to stallworth? I dont buy the whole idolization argument. Football is sport, a game. Really, only aspiring athletes should be looking up to pro athletes. And I don't consider mike vick to be a role model, unless it is of a person seeking redemption. The only reasons I've heard of athletes receiving lifetime bans in their sport is either the use of PEDs or gambling- things that impact the gameplay itself.
Post by noeysasquatch on Feb 1, 2011 1:21:02 GMT -5
IMO Palamalu and Matthews were the 2 most deserving of def POY. I personally thought Matthews was going to get the award. Asante Samuel had a chance for the award with 6-7 ints midseason, but he got injured unfortunately.
Def POY award means nothing to the players compared to the superbowl though. I'm guessing the superbowl will be a low scoring defense sominated game and we may Palamalu or Matthews win the superbowl MVP award. I cant wait to see the matchup. We couldnt stand to watch the pro bowl for more than a few minutes
Yea I care about dogs too. Mine is old and senile as hell but i still love it
jhammett, You said earlier that mike vick should be banned from the nfl for life. Doo the same rules apply to stallworth? I dont buy the whole idolization argument. Football is sport, a game. Really, only aspiring athletes should be looking up to pro athletes. And I don't consider mike vick to be a role model, unless it is of a person seeking redemption. The only reasons I've heard of athletes receiving lifetime bans in their sport is either the use of PEDs or gambling- things that impact the gameplay itself.
I dunno much about him, but if he killed someone, with any intent whatsoever, then yes, he should receive a lifetime ban too. And to claim that children do not look up to pro sports athletes is absurd.
I dunno much about him, but if he killed someone, with any intent whatsoever, then yes, he should receive a lifetime ban too. And to claim that children do not look up to pro sports athletes is absurd.
When I say I don't buy the idolization argument i mean that I don't believe it's a reason to ban him. I never claimed children dont look up to athletes, kids obviously do. I said that it only makes sense for kids aspiring to be athletes to look up to pro athletes. I just don't believe pro athletes to infallible. Kids need to be directed to better role models.
Just to opine on the debate that seems to have consumed the thread... I get the sense there's more remorse coming from Michael Vick over his transgressions than Big Ben over his. True, he said he'd still be dogfighting if he hadn't been caught. He's just being honest. I do think bankruptcy, jail time, community service and the like have had an influence on him. I would trust him alone with a of the dog I care for before I'd trust Roethlisberger alone with a woman I care for.
Now, to make this post relevant to the topic....
The Steelers' Troy Polomalu narrowly edged out Packer Clay Matthews III for AP Defensive Player of the year. In third was the Steelers' James Harrison.
Last, but certainly not least.... ncbst3: you, me, beer bet?
absolutely. We going with the spread or just straight up win?
How about straight up win? I'd hate to have the loser not buy a beer after this.
Post by guitardevil on Feb 2, 2011 19:59:22 GMT -5
I'm thinking with the roof closed in Dallas, the green bay offense might do something like they did in Atlanta. Despite steelers having this "player of the year".
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Feb 2, 2011 22:48:41 GMT -5
I saw a stat where it was Aaron Rodgers playing indoor, and he averaged insane numbers. Something like over 300 yards and 4td's a game. Ben's numbers were about the same as his usual.
I heard the Madden prediction discussed on ESPN Radio this morning. Also heard another curious stat in that segment: Vegas oddsmakers are 7-0 in predicting the Steelers' results - win or loss - and something like 34/44 on Super Bowl predictions overall.
Packers win comfortably [******] (3 votes, 15%) Packers win close one [**************] (7 votes, 35%) Steelers win comfortably [ ] (0 votes, 0%) Steelers win close one [********************] (10 votes, 50%) Too close to call [ ] (0 votes, 0%)
As for the Inforoo choice... this is where the poll stands as of this writing. It's currently tied at ten, but the team breakdown is curious...
Full disclosure: I voted "Packers win close one." It's not me skewing things towards "Packers win comfortably."