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^ lolz. But serioooously WSP was the highest energy (Sunday) closer I've seen on the farm and it is sort of a tradition... I'd say yes for Sun night please!
Post by Laggy.RETURNS on Jan 21, 2011 11:28:52 GMT -5
I kinda of hope it doesnt happen but it wouldnt surprise me i they did away with the sunday jam headliner tradition. Dave isn't REALLY jam, so it's already begun. Maybe they'll get 3 regular classic and contemporary artists, and relegate the jam to latenight tents, and maybe something like which closer as mentioned above.
I think they make alot more money when they have someone more people will stay to see sunday night (i.e. Dave, Phish, etc) because it equals alot more in vending sales for an entire extra evening. If WSP or furthur closes what on sunday alot of people will leave, and they'll be losing out on money
Post by The Wookie Monster on Jan 21, 2011 11:49:27 GMT -5
^ It's not a bad idea, but they should limit the closers to Bonnaroo veterans instead. I don't think it's already begun because Dave was one of the originals and has been associated with the jam band scene ever since he started. Sure he's been more poppy, and that's why I don't like him compared to Furthur/Phish. However, it would be really dumb of Bonnaroo to start tinkering in their 10th year and ignore everything that got them successful in the first place.
Yeah I think the Sunday Jam closer is kind of a staple. I doubt they lose it.
I would hate to see that happen, but anything is possible now. Roo has changed so drastically in the last 5-6 years, that it is not impossible. Superjam was a staple for, what, 7 festivals, then they did away with it. Superjam was argually the best thing Roo had going for it musically, and they just shut it down.
Fact of the matter is Roo has forgotten where their roots are, and are more concerned with appealing to the national stage, and being relevant to the music industry. None of that was a concern or even necessary in 2002, but now it's clear Roo is putting that foot forward first, in stead of remembering who their core fanbse is.
I'm frankly disappointed more of the first year bands are not rumored heavily. It would be a shame for it's 10th anniversary for Roo to turn it's back on the bands/scene that gave it it's start.
Ashley Capps said in an interview last year that the intention of Roo was never to be a Jam festival. They just started with that group of fans because they knew they would be more willing to go to a small festival to camp. Their intentions though, since creating Roo, was to include all dimensions of music.
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Yeah I think the Sunday Jam closer is kind of a staple. I doubt they lose it.
I would hate to see that happen, but anything is possible now. Roo has changed so drastically in the last 5-6 years, that it is not impossible. Superjam was a staple for, what, 7 festivals, then they did away with it. Superjam was argually the best thing Roo had going for it musically, and they just shut it down.
Fact of the matter is Roo has forgotten where their roots are, and are more concerned with appealing to the national stage, and being relevant to the music industry. None of that was a concern or even necessary in 2002, but now it's clear Roo is putting that foot forward first, in stead of remembering who their core fanbse is.
I'm frankly disappointed more of the first year bands are not rumored heavily. It would be a shame for it's 10th anniversary for Roo to turn it's back on the bands/scene that gave it it's start.
I don't think that's fair. If the jamheads don't have the ability or willingness to diversify their musical interests into something that isn't just jam, that's on them. There have been some GREAT bands to headline over the years. Bonnaroo doesn't just grab bands that are huge, they grab bands that are really quacking good and happen to be huge, with a few notable exceptions (KoL).
And the "remember where you came from!" argument does not hold up well. Never has. People, things, and entities change. That's the way of life. If something like a music festival changes over the course of time, that's not a slight on its or its production company's character.
Why should we begrudge Bonnaroo for becoming something other than just another jam-oriented festival (of which there are still plenty to choose from)?
The jam band base is not their core fanbase anymore. Sorry
Let me guess, you started going to Roo after 2006? What do I win.
Fact of the matter is, Bonnaroo's core is jam-centric, and the built their legacy on the back of jambands and their fans. Anyone who denies that is denying what Bonnaroo really truly is. That's not to say that the bill should be dominated by jambands, but the core fanbase, the original fanbase is dominated by jamband fans.
I never said that the original fan-base wasn't Jam. It was, but it is no longer their core. And yes, you are right. I'll have to get back to you on a prize though.
And just so everyone knows. I have no problem with Jam bands OR Jam fans. Thought Phish killed it 09. With that said though, when I see one of you complaining the same old complaint, "Bonnaroo forgot it's roots, blah blah blah", I gotta call bullsh!t. Bonnaroo grew, so should you.
And just so everyone knows. I have no problem with Jam bands OR Jam fans. Thought Phish killed it 09. With that said though, when I see one of you complaining the same old complaint, "Bonnaroo forgot it's roots, blah blah blah", I gotta call bullsh!t. Bonnaroo grew, so should you.
I've been to 8 straight Bonnaroo's (skipped last year), and have seen over 100 unique bands at that festival alone. I don't need someone telling I need to grow musically. Come off it please
I am all for musical diversity and I don't want Bonnaroo to go back and try to be what they were in 2002.
I just think, for their 10th anniversary, the should definitely pay homage to their original festival in some fashion, and the best way to do that is to include many of the first year performers.
You can disagree with that all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the reason Bonnaro was successful enough to still be here today, is because those of us who decided to make the trip 10 years ago. If the fans of those bands had decided not to come in the numbers they did, Bonnaroo would not have had a 10th or even second festival.
At the very least you can respect that those of us who have been in it for the long haul would like to see them pay homage to their roots in some fashion.
I totally agree. I actually expect to see something like that happen. Which is also why i think the Sunday Jam closer should stay where it's at. I definitely think you always need to acknowledge the past.
I wasn't referring to you specifically when i said "Bonnaroo grew, so should you." I was simply referring to you saying that Bonnaroo has forgotten it's roots, which, clearly isn't the case. There's always some kind of homage to the Jam scene every year, and two years ago Phish played two shows. I'm sure there will be nice helping of Jam there this year.
EDIT: And just to note. i have also seen over 100 unique bands at the festival as well.
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I love jam bands and i love music in general. I really enjoy bonnaroo and what it has become. I think the diversity. But having a few jam bands and one of them closing out the fest Sunday isn't a bad thing at all.
word, I guess my OG post on this thread was more of "I can't believe there aren't more 1st year bands being rumored." All I see is U2, Daft Punk (whom I flew to CO to see 4 years ago), and other first timer acts. ROO needs first timer acts, and I actually am in favor of many of the first timers being rumored.
I just expected more of a veterarn-roo band/jam-centric lineup this year than in the last couple years, b/c this IS the 10th anniversary, and the rumors lead me to believe that is not the case. )It should be noted don't expect that for the 11th anniversary.)
I'm not sure if that's a facet of the influx of new members to the board, or the fact that they really aren't booking the veteran acts on the level I thought they would. I guess we'll see.
It should be an amazing time either way. It always is.
I just expected more of a veterarn-roo band/jam-centric lineup this year than in the last couple years, b/c this IS the 10th anniversary, and the rumors lead me to believe that is not the case. )It should be noted don't expect that for the 11th anniversary.)
Well to be fair, out of the top of the lineup for the first year there are a lot of acts (or artists related to these acts) that are brought up a good amount. And for the ones that aren't talked about as much, there are good reasons.
Widespread is constantly brought up as a possibility this year and some people expect it.
Ben Harper is supposedly going to be at Roo this year so that's a veteran act coming back (if true).
Lots of people would like Trey back but with rumors of Phish doing their own festival it makes it seem less likely. Same goes for String Cheese - some people want them back but not many people are discussing it much cuz they don't really tour and are rumored to be working on their own festival.
Phil Lesh is constantly talked about for this year in the form of Furthur.
I've seen mentions of others as well (Claypool, moe., etc.)
I'm not sure if that's a facet of the influx of new members to the board, or the fact that they really aren't booking the veteran acts on the level I thought they would. I guess we'll see.
Yea we have to wait and see. We can't claim that "they aren't booking the veteran acts on the level I thought they would" when we only know like 3 of the acts that are booked.
And just so everyone knows. I have no problem with Jam bands OR Jam fans. Thought Phish killed it 09. With that said though, when I see one of you complaining the same old complaint, "Bonnaroo forgot it's roots, blah blah blah", I gotta call bullsh!t. Bonnaroo grew, so should you.
As long as we can apply this to the electronica fans that bitch about not enough electronica, and indie fans who bitch three other people have heard of the artist they wanted to see, or hip hop fans who are mad they do not get enough hip hop etc....
What it actually amounts to is that people on here feel like in their little fantasy worlds that the easiest way to get more of what they want is to start pushing jam bands to the side. I doubt it will happen, but it seems like they are the first target of the hipsters.
Also what do you guys consider a "jam" band? Maceo Parker, and Karl Denson jam, but they are mainly fusion jazz for instance. Clapton Jams but the hipsters do not count him as far as I can tell. Bonnaroo has not forgotten it's roots imo, but the amount of commercial indie pop is what turns me off.
as far as headliners go Bonnaroo every year since 06 has pretty much had.
A. Classic rock Band
Tom Petty Police Metallica Bruce Stevie
B. Newer band typically one that started in the 80's or 90's Radiohead Tool Pearl Jam Phish KOL
C. A "Jam" band (Jam means people might like to eat corn at the concerts not necessarily that they jam more than anyone else)
Phil and Friends Widespread Widespread Phish DMB (Managed by Coran Capshaw, who is the money behind Bonnaroo)
So I guess you can hope there is no jam headliner, and I can hope we do not get a stupid indie pop crap headliner. However Our headliners are more than likely going to fit into the mold above so get the fuck over it.
However Our headliners are more than likely going to fit into the mold above so get the quack over it.
Well let's not forget that the original 2008 headliners were Metallica, Pearl Jam, and Jack Johnson. No jam band headliner until the Allman's cancelled and Roo moved things around.
However Our headliners are more than likely going to fit into the mold above so get the quack over it.
Well let's not forget that the original 2008 headliners were Metallica, Pearl Jam, and Jack Johnson. No jam band headliner until the Allman's cancelled and Roo moved things around.
Well let's not forget that the original 2008 headliners were Metallica, Pearl Jam, and Jack Johnson. No jam band headliner until the Allman's cancelled and Roo moved things around.
I know im in the minority. But i'm not really big on jam bands. I like that Bonnaroo has stuff for all people. Thats what makes it great. People wanna chill out and listen to some sweet guitar riffs? go ahead. Wanna dance your ass off? do it.
I think it says a lot that I don't like DMB or Phish and can still have an awesome weekend. I don't see why they have to try to appeal to one side or the other.
I get why those of you who have been going for 10 years feel like it has changed...but i still think there are plenty of acts on both sides of the coin