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I have to disagree with Jess 100%. Arcade fire easily had 50K + on a Sunday night with Phoenix playing opposite at lolla. I think they could easily headline the roo. I think it is more likely they will only play coachella though.
In Nashville they played the Ryman, in Atlanta they could not sell out the bottom half of Encore Park. How many people were at Lollapalooza? I find it hard to credit over 50% of the crowd was at Arcade Fire v Soundgarden.
240,000 people were at Lolla over the whole weekend this year. Sunday night, I started at Soundgarden, then worked my way over to Arcade Fire for the last 45-50 minutes or so. Personally, I did not think the attendance at AF was as lopsided as some have said on here.
edit: I also haven't been able to find an article which states one way or the other
Post by boogeman118 on Dec 21, 2010 17:28:52 GMT -5
That 240,000 number for Lollapalooza is misleading and kind of bugs me that they do that. Many of those people are counted multiple times because they were there each day. It's like saying 300,000 attended Roo over four days, even though it was really around 75,000 total.
240,000 people were at Lolla over the whole weekend this year. Sunday night, I started at Soundgarden, then worked my way over to Arcade Fire for the last 45-50 minutes or so. Personally, I did not think the attendance at AF was as lopsided as some have said on here.
edit: I also haven't been able to find an article which states one way or the other
So since they do a weekend count obviously I would be curious to see how many were there on Sunday. If you go ahead and say 80k, and just take a third I doubt Arcade Fire had 50k of them. This may just be a common case of people unable to guesstimate crowd size very well.
Post by BrokenLight on Dec 21, 2010 17:34:04 GMT -5
^ i hate that too. anybody remember hearing some journalist said at roo this past year there was 130,000?
it shouldn't be that hard to get a close estimate on exactly how many people are at a festival. first, you know how many tickets are sold, which i'm not sure if thats the only place these numbers come from. but, if you want to add in press/media/festival workers, etc, i don't think that would be too hard either, because press/media keep a list, and i'm sure they have a pretty good idea of how many people are working at the festival (sound/stage/vendors, etc)
Post by A$AP Rosko on Dec 21, 2010 18:15:01 GMT -5
Multiple outlets separately reported that Arcade Fire drew 50K and outdrew Soundgarden at Lolla. IIRC, some of them even pinpointed a more precise number for AF's draw. I could be wrong, though.
Multiple outlets separately reported that Arcade Fire drew 50K and outdrew Soundgarden at Lolla. IIRC, some of them even pinpointed a more precise number for AF's draw. I could be wrong, though.
No, you're right, I remember posting multiple articles about them at Lollapalooza and the success of The Suburbs when it came out. Outdrawing a big reunion that was the top of the bill is nothing to blink at. Maybe they have more support the closer you get to Canada, but I think they could potentially headline Friday at Bonnaroo.
Post by The Wookie Monster on Dec 21, 2010 19:14:20 GMT -5
If they do show up, then at the very best they would probably split headliner duties with someone, similar to Beasties/Byrne, though they weren't "headliners"
Multiple outlets separately reported that Arcade Fire drew 50K and outdrew Soundgarden at Lolla. IIRC, some of them even pinpointed a more precise number for AF's draw. I could be wrong, though.
If they reported it they took it off the internet as far as I can tell. I did see multiple reviews saying AF put on a much better show however.
Yeah I don't know, 50,000 seems a little high to me considering I was able to get much closer to the stage than I was for shows earlier in the day. There were definitely rumblings days after about the poor showing for a Soundgarden reunion closing the fest though.
I wasnt a huge Arcade Fire fan when I saw them at Lolla but after the show I was. I cant wait to see them again. They are really a solid band. They come together great. I really think this last album has moved them into headliner status. Also, that album had just come out, I can only imagine where they are at now. I'm a fan!
Friday WHAT STAGE: Devo (6:30 PM-8:00 PM), Radiohead (9:00 PM-11:30 PM) WHICH STAGE: Duran Duran (6:15 PM-8:15 PM) , My Morning Jacket (12:00 AM-2:45 AM) SATURDAY WHAT STAGE: Ray LaMontagne (6:30 PM-8:00 PM), Gorillaz (9:00 PM-11:00 PM) , Widespread Panic (12:00 AM-2:45 AM) WHICH STAGE: Arcade Fire (6:15-8:15 PM) SUNDAY WHAT STAGE: Robert Plant and The Band of Joy: (6:15 PM-8:15 PM), Furthur (9:15 PM-12:00 AM) WHICH STAGE: The Strokes (6:30 PM-8:00 PM),
Post by rockinlamb on Dec 21, 2010 23:49:18 GMT -5
I doubt Devo would be up against Duran Duran. While they are different genres/performances, they both fall into the nostalgia type of group, so I doubt they would pit them against each other. Different types of music, but very similar draws.
I also am starting to doubt Gorillaz. Damon has been going back and forth, back and forth about whether this was their last tour, but after listening to the speech he gave last night overseas for the last date on Plastic Beach Tour, I doubt they will be doing any sort of live show for quite a while.
Friday WHAT STAGE: Devo (6:30 PM-8:00 PM), Radiohead (9:00 PM-11:30 PM) WHICH STAGE: Duran Duran (6:15 PM-8:15 PM) , My Morning Jacket (12:00 AM-2:45 AM) SATURDAY WHAT STAGE: Ray LaMontagne (6:30 PM-8:00 PM), Gorillaz (9:00 PM-11:00 PM) , Widespread Panic (12:00 AM-2:45 AM) WHICH STAGE: Arcade Fire (6:15-8:15 PM) SUNDAY WHAT STAGE: Robert Plant and The Band of Joy: (6:15 PM-8:15 PM), Furthur (9:15 PM-12:00 AM) WHICH STAGE: The Strokes (6:30 PM-8:00 PM),
I feel like this is pretty perfect.
Radiohead > MMJ LN would make for an unforgettable Friday night. And Arcade Fire > Gorillaz would be similarly amazing. Plus, the Strokes closing out the Which on Sunday. And then you also have two jam headliners to appease that crowd. And Robert Plant as the classic rock legend (albeit not a headliner).
It was the first one, and I bet 50k were there that night period. I could be wrong though.
Yeah, it seems like a guesstimate by the writer. It doesn't actually cite anything, just kinda states that there were 50,000 people. There are official methods of crowd estimation, and in most articles that include these, they are cited.
I remember right after Lolla, everyone was talking about it and i looked all over the internet and could never find an exact tally for the crowd sizes and either show. I actually read somewhere that one of the official groups that handles crowd size estimates from helicopter photos was going to release something, but i never saw that they did.
Post by Mista Don't Play on Dec 22, 2010 1:00:10 GMT -5
Well there seems to be a concensus that they had a definite larger crowd than Soundgarden. So just based on averages, relative to the attendance figures, it would have to be in the 45,000 range at least, based on a 80,000 per day attendance average.
I don't think this is necessarily relevant to their headlining potential at Roo, though. I think its a definite "no" as to whether or not they would be a traditional headliner (2.5 hours, unopposed) but depending on scheduling I could see a partial headlining set, similar to the Beasties.
Like it or not, I'm pretty sure WSP will be back for Roo 10. Hopefully they won't headline, but I'd be shocked if they weren't on the bill.
I see either Further, MMJ, or WSP closing out the fest this year. Because of the hiatus after this year, WSP might make some sense. And I could see all three bands there, with Further and MMJ being given late nights.
Of the big "jam bands" who would draw better/be billed highest to lowest at a 10th anniversay Bonnaroo as a headliner: Phish, Furthur, Allman Bros, or Widespread?
Post by Mista Don't Play on Dec 22, 2010 1:08:18 GMT -5
but can u really just take averages for the 3 days? i mean bonnaroo has significantly smaller crowds come sunday, id assume that lolla is the same.
of course it may be easier to stay that final day knowing u get to go back to a hotel instead of another night of camping in the tennessee heat.
You may be right, but either way they outdrew a big Soundgarden reunion, which has to be surprising to some, although there are factors that may have came into play such as age of the crowd, etc. If you wanted to lowball it you could assume about 35,000 out of 60,000. Its a noteworthy bit of information, but I still don't think its very relevant to Roo.
Of the big "jam bands" who would draw better/be billed highest to lowest at a 10th anniversay Bonnaroo as a headliner: Phish, Furthur, Allman Bros, or Widespread?
You've got the order right, probably. There would be some debate over Allmans and WSP, but I think their draw is pretty similar, with the edge to the Bros. But I think only Phish and Furthur are possible headliners.
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