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I bet there isn't a single comment on this board from a person that has ever been in a combat situation. Since almost every comment is taken out of situational ignorance, lucky for us all, I don't judge any of your positions. I can tell you that some of the comments made here about our service members are pretty telling about how sheltered your lives must be, again consider yourself lucky, but they are also ridiculously broad and lump a group of men and women together as if they all share the same collective moral values and stance. If someone that didn't know each of us individually assumed that because we listen to a specific band or go to a specific festival that we were all a bunch of lazy, stoner, underachieving, apathetic losers then they would of course be wrong. For a group of supposedly open-minded and open-hearted individuals grouping service members as murderers because of a thirty minute video clip is pretty quacked up. Those same service members are at the forefront of relief efforts in Haiti, Somalia and even Nashville right now. You will often find our service members in some of the most difficult places and situations in the world, they overwhelmingly make great decisions under almost incomprehensible levels of stress and danger. Again, I'm not defending the actions of these pilots just our military as a whole. They aren't murderers. They are our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers and neighbors.
^There is no army in Nashville at the moment first off, and secondly I think if you read through this most of us have not lumped all servicemen together but talked about this particular incident. Why don't you go check the article on this incident.
In an interview with Democracy Now!, Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange responded to the investigation report released by the Army, commenting that "the tone and language is all about trying to find an excuse for the activity... It’s very clear that that is the approach, to try and find any mechanism to excuse the behavior, and that is what ended up happening."[14] Assange also stated that the building attacked by missiles was not abandoned, and that Wikileaks had evidence that "there were three families living in that apartment complex, many of whom were killed, including women."
This really sums it up for me as well, once again not saying every Apache pilot acts this way every time. I am saying these guys did this time, and I still think their behavior was at best unprofessional, which I do not like to see in people flying 30 million dollars of taxpayer money around.
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I bet there isn't a single comment on this board from a person that has ever been in a combat situation. Since almost every comment is taken out of situational ignorance, lucky for us all, I don't judge any of your positions.
"Situational ignorance" cuts both ways. We don't how much evidence of wrongdoing is censored, sanitized or classified to keep the American public ignorant of the *facts*. President Obama issued an executive order to prevent the release of photographic evidence showing prisoner-of-war abuse by American servicemen. The President's rationale is our troops will be endangered if the photographs become public. The official Army investigation into the topic of this thread has not been released to the public. In these instances "situational ignorance" is the result of official edict; to hide evidence from harsh public criticism. Some photographic evidence has leaked in the past through such sites as nowthatsfuckedup.com.
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Post by questionablesanity on May 11, 2010 12:54:38 GMT -5
I had a facebook argument with some servicemen about this today. They are all gung ho about killing "hajis" and what not. They have been totally brainwashed by the military. They think that it's crime that a mosque will be built so close to ground zero. They talk about fighting for our freedom, then they say that muslims shouldn't be able to build a mosque there because it's sacred ground and because of the fact that 3000 people were killed there my muslims. On eof the guys also said that there was proof that one of the guys had an RPG and two had AK-47s. Any truth to that?
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we scaled back our military to only have enough in service to protect our country. Oh but we can't do that because it would be a sign of weakness and America can't be weak. Fuck that.
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The original group had weapons for sure. The guy in the van was trying to rescue someone wounded, and there were two kids in it no clear weapons. The apartment building that got hit by three hellfires may or may not have had insurgents in it, but it also had at least three families. Let's go win some hearts and minds.....
The original group had weapons for sure. The guy in the van was trying to rescue someone wounded, and there were two kids in it no clear weapons. The apartment building that got hit by three hellfires may or may not have had insurgents in it, but it also had at least three families. Let's go win some hearts and minds.....
The U.S. invasion of Iraq unleashed a civil war. As I said in an earlier post, the fact that a group of men out in the middle of the street, in broad daylight, had a weapon or two doesn't mean they were hostile to Americans. They may have been something as innocent as a neighborhood watch, doing their best to protect their neighborhood and families. 'Til we blew their hearts and minds all over the walls and street.
I had a facebook argument with some servicemen about this today. They are all gung ho about killing "hajis" and what not. They have been totally brainwashed by the military. .
I can pretty much guarantee you that they're full of it. Anyone who brags about "killing hajjis" probably never even saw any real combat, and in my experience are outright liars. It takes about 7 rear echelon pogues (clerks, mechanics, intel, comm, logistics, ect) to support 1 rifleman. Sure, everyone goes out on convoy security, but the majority of the actual fighting is done by the Infantry, and I can tell you that I've never heard any Infantryman brag about this sort of thing and be serious about it.
The guys you're arguing with are liars, I'd bet my bottom dollar on it. Probably fucking admin or something.
