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Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 28, 2009 14:15:34 GMT -5
haha Kdogg your persistence in proving you were right cracks me up. Either way, I hardly consider Florida as "The South" which you were referring to in your initial statement. I mean, despite its geographical positioning in the country, it really doesn't follow suit with the area with which you referred to, except that it's tied with CA for most reported dogfighting cases. Was that just a coincidence that happened to support your argument so you included it?
Either way, just because it's more or less prevalent in an area does not mean that a local NFL team would be any more or less accepting of Vick's past. It's not like Vick could make the plea with being hired "But Coach! Dogfighting is way more accessible and more common in this area of the country than say, the New England area! Can't you give me the benefit of the doubt that I am in the South?"
Sure, Florida has its own unique flavor of strangeness, but I don't think that excludes it from being counted as part of the South.
And I do think a team's fanbase's opinion on the matter probably does play a part in making that decision. I'm not saying it's the primary factor... just that it won't be entirely ignored because the consequences of that decision have dollar signs behind it.
As to the California-tying-for-first thing... wasn't the first potential team mentioned when I started this thread the Raiders? That doesn't seem to discount my suggestion that Vick is more likely to wind up in an area that's more likely to engage in it, now, does it?
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jul 28, 2009 14:56:16 GMT -5
Missouri is a midwestern state, not a southern state. I've never met anyone in the south who think WV is a southern state, but I guess we'll take it. And if you're going to put all of Texas in the south instead of the southwest with AZ and NM, then you have to give us OK too.
As to the California-tying-for-first thing... wasn't the first potential team mentioned when I started this thread the Raiders? That doesn't seem to discount my suggestion that Vick is more likely to wind up in an area that's more likely to engage in it, now, does it?
Haha and I'm sure you had this chart in mind when you suggested the Raiders in the beginning? A true politician at heart... taking hold of any data and coincidences which may support your platform and using and skewing it to its fullest to justify yourself.
I just don't think that the location of the team is going to have anything to do with who he signs with. It's going to be more of a player-value based decision.
... taking hold of any data and coincidences which may support your platform and using and skewing it to its fullest to justify yourself.
Ha ha, I can do that too.
I think strum is right, and that there's no correlation between incidents and general acceptance, but let's say he's wrong. It's problematic to go by region, for reasons strum and I noted already. Also, since the stats we have are listed by state, and not region, it makes more sense to look at the probability by state anyway.
Here's a list of the top 10 most likely teams by state, accounting for ties. We know the Falcons have a 0% chance of signing Vick, so I didn't count them.
Missouri is a midwestern state, not a southern state. I've never met anyone in the south who think WV is a southern state, but I guess we'll take it. And if you're going to put all of Texas in the south instead of the southwest with AZ and NM, then you have to give us OK too.
agreed.
bottom line hes back and by wk 6 and most likely before wk 6 he will be playing in NFL regular season games. ESPN is saying how there is very little interest right now because of the timing of his reinstatement. Its hard to get a head coach, gm, and owner on the same page now. But hes too talented and too many teams need a player of his caliber to get them over the hump.
Like i said earlier in the thread my vote goes to SF but the in my eyes the top options would be...
49ers Steelers Pats Oak Jacksonville Rams
But who knows.. and dont sleep on the vikings if favre stays retired. and i think he is going to
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I've never met anyone in the south who think WV is a southern state
Around here, everyone thinks WV is a Southern state... it really annoys my super proud Wheeling WV friend Natty, she sure set ME straight once
But her 2 main points in case are pretty good ones...
#1- On a map, the top of WV is pretty much directly West of NYC
#2- "West Virginia is one of only two American states formed during the American Civil War, along with Nevada, and is the only state to form by seceding from a Confederate state." (quote from Wiki)
Of course you can fire back the first half of this... "West Virginia is classified by the Census Bureau as a southern state, its peculiar geographic shape means that the northernmost tip is at about the same latitude as central New Jersey." (quote from Wiki)
But I guess it really comes down to both... "Because of the confusing circumstances of the state's creation, some do not consider West Virginia to be part of the South. People in West Virginia have typically shared ancestry and heritage with the Appalachian culture that extends down the spine of a large swathe of the backcountry South." (quote from Wiki)
State / # incidents / state share of national incidents Florida 24 11.71% California 24 11.71% North Carolina 15 7.32% Texas 14 6.83% Georgia 10 4.88% Illinois 10 4.88% Pennsylvania 9 4.39% Ohio 9 4.39% New York 8 3.9% Alabama 8 3.9% Tennessee 6 2.93% Louisiana 6 2.93% South Carolina 5 2.44% Mississippi 5 2.44% Wisconsin 5 2.44% Arizona 5 2.44% Washington 4 1.95% Michigan 4 1.95% Minnesota 3 1.46% Kansas 3 1.46% New Jersey 3 1.46% New Mexico 3 1.46% Virginia 3 1.46% Arkansas 2 0.98% Kentucky 2 0.98% Hawaii 2 0.98% Oregon 2 0.98% Delaware 2 0.98% Indiana 1 0.49% West Virgnia 1 0.49% Colorado 1 0.49% Missouri 1 0.49% Idaho 1 0.49% Oklahoma 1 0.49% Connecticut 1 0.49% Maryland 1 0.49% Utah 1 0.49% "
To keep this going...Bottom ten are in bold
Alabama, college graduates-16% Alaska, college graduates-23% Arizona, college graduates-20% Arkansas, college graduates-13% California, college graduates-23% Colorado, college graduates-27% Connecticut, college graduates-27% Delaware, college graduates-21% D.C., college graduates-33% Florida, college graduates-18% Georgia, college graduates-19% Hawaii, college graduates-23% Idaho, college graduates-18% Illinois, college graduates-21% Indiana, college graduates-16% Iowa, college graduates-17% Kansas, college graduates-21% Kentucky, college graduates-14% Louisiana, college graduates-16% Maine, college graduates-19% Maryland, college graduates-27% Massachusetts, college graduates-27% Michigan, college graduates-17% Minnesota, college graduates-22% Mississippi, college graduates-15% Missouri, college graduates-18% Montana, college graduates-20% Nebraska, college graduates-19% Nevada, college graduates-15% New Hampshire, college graduates-24% New Jersey, college graduates-25% New Mexico, college graduates-20% New York, college graduates-23% North Carolina, college graduates-17% North Dakota, college graduates-18% Ohio, college graduates-17% Oklahoma, college graduates-18% Oregon, college graduates-21% Pennsylvania, college graduates-18% Rhode Island, college graduates-21% South Carolina, college graduates-17% South Dakota, college graduates-17% Tennessee, college graduates-16% Texas, college graduates-20% Utah, college graduates-22% Vermont, college graduates-24% Virginia, college graduates-25% Washington, college graduates-23% West Virginia, college graduates-12% Wisconsin, college graduates-18% Wyoming, college graduates-19%
I'm the opposite of moderate, immaculately polished With the spirit of a hustler and the swagger of a college kid Allergic to the counterfeit, impartial to the politics Articulate but still would grab a ni**a by the colla quick
Post by 811942891995 on Jul 28, 2009 23:50:56 GMT -5
its not like vick participated in the torture and death of ALL dogs! it was just a selct few dozen! personaly, i cant wait to see him throw more balls for million$ each! thats just good tv!
its not like vick participated in the torture and death of ALL dogs! it was just a selct few dozen! personaly, i cant wait to see him throw more balls for million$ each! thats just good tv!
really! i mean, reread this, put on a dunce cap and go stand in the corner, you foolish, foolish man!
Alabama, college graduates-16% Alaska, college graduates-23% Arizona, college graduates-20% Arkansas, college graduates-13% California, college graduates-23% Colorado, college graduates-27% Connecticut, college graduates-27% Delaware, college graduates-21% D.C., college graduates-33% Florida, college graduates-18% Georgia, college graduates-19% Hawaii, college graduates-23% Idaho, college graduates-18% Illinois, college graduates-21% Indiana, college graduates-16% Iowa, college graduates-17% Kansas, college graduates-21% Kentucky, college graduates-14% Louisiana, college graduates-16% Maine, college graduates-19% Maryland, college graduates-27% Massachusetts, college graduates-27% Michigan, college graduates-17% Minnesota, college graduates-22% Mississippi, college graduates-15% Missouri, college graduates-18% Montana, college graduates-20% Nebraska, college graduates-19% Nevada, college graduates-15% New Hampshire, college graduates-24% New Jersey, college graduates-25% New Mexico, college graduates-20% New York, college graduates-23% North Carolina, college graduates-17% North Dakota, college graduates-18% Ohio, college graduates-17% Oklahoma, college graduates-18% Oregon, college graduates-21% Pennsylvania, college graduates-18% Rhode Island, college graduates-21% South Carolina, college graduates-17% South Dakota, college graduates-17% Tennessee, college graduates-16% Texas, college graduates-20% Utah, college graduates-22% Vermont, college graduates-24% Virginia, college graduates-25% Washington, college graduates-23% West Virginia, college graduates-12% Wisconsin, college graduates-18% Wyoming, college graduates-19%
K-dogg, nitetime, & strum = exactly right
Somehow before even reading down on the list I knew Ohio would be in the bottom 10.
oops! my bad! i did'nt realize you were too stupid to understand OBVIOUS sarcasm!
oops! I didn't realize you were too stupid to understand OBVIOUS sarcasm directed back AT you!
like, zomg do I hafta quote this like 3 more times and say something different about it, too!??!?!?!
you must be drunk cause your are making an ass out of yourself! you can say it what you want but your post speaks fot itself! you've got so accustomed to flaming me that you did'nt even bother to fully contemplate or understand my post! then you tried to back out of it! TRANSPARENT and HILARIOUS!
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 29, 2009 0:26:25 GMT -5
^^So you're sober and making an ass of yourself? I'd much rather do it drunk, thanks!
and when I have ever "flamed" you?
And what's there to contemplate or understand amongst your babblings and rantings over other people? Throw out something worth thinking about and maybe I will!
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 29, 2009 0:36:53 GMT -5
Damnit I was really hoping for something atleast a little bit more entertaining to read. Can you go back to calling me transparent again, you know... just for kicks?
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jul 29, 2009 1:06:27 GMT -5
Now that that's settled, I'm going to get back to argumentum ad ignorantiam.
As we can see from the following list of top 10 states with toothless adults aged 65+, West Virginia is clearly a southern state. We'd also like to welcome Kansas as an honorary member.