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No remorse for the pedo. Used his money to help feed his own sick fetishes.
Proof?
I had seen the Bashir interview back in 2003, but never saw anything about Jackson's rebuttal until after his death. Prior to his death, I was nearly certain that he molested kids. After having re-watched the Bashir video and seeing Jackson's rebuttal for the first time, I can't help but think that Jackson was a 10 year old in a 50 year old's body. The average person can't see how a water balloon fight climbing trees could be enjoyable to an adult. So they think its all a cover-up to molest kids.
After having re-watched the Bashir video and seeing Jackson's rebuttal for the first time, I can't help but think that Jackson was a 10 year old in a 50 year old's body. The average person can't see how a water balloon fight climbing trees could be enjoyable to an adult. So they think its all a cover-up to molest kids.
A lot of people have brought that theory up when discussing MJ. I believe it to a degree.....there are reports from thesmokinggun about the psychologist who interviewed one of the alleged victims....and he came to the thinking that MJ was a regressed 10 year old (in a grownups body). That's fine.
But even if he had psychological problems, and didn't think what he was doing was wrong.........that doesn't make it okay (if the allegations are true - I really have no idea what happened and neither does anyone on here). If the stories of touching boys and doing other sexual-type acts with boys are true.....he shouldn't get a free pass because he had psychological problems. Inappropriate is inappropriate, ya know?
I stand by the thinking that if it wasn't michael jackson.....but some guy who lived up the road from you who had all the same circumstances (accused of the same things, having psychological issues and acting like a child, etc) that people definitely would not treat the two the same way. The fact that he's michael jackson ( even with psychological problems) doesn't mean he should be free to do inappropriate things with kids (again - this isn't confirmed.....it's just the accusations).
So yea....even if he was in the mindset that all he was doing was innocent fun with his friends (who happened to be children).....that doesn't make it okay.
aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway
did anyone hear the rumor of Joe Jackson reportedly wanting to put MJ's 3 kids in a group and call them the Jackson 3? Apparently he's the only one.....and thankfully the rest of the family won't have it. I really think the last things those kids need is to be thrust into the spotlight and used to make money.
After having re-watched the Bashir video and seeing Jackson's rebuttal for the first time, I can't help but think that Jackson was a 10 year old in a 50 year old's body. The average person can't see how a water balloon fight climbing trees could be enjoyable to an adult. So they think its all a cover-up to molest kids.
A lot of people have brought that theory up when discussing MJ. I believe it to a degree.....there are reports from thesmokinggun about the psychologist who interviewed one of the alleged victims....and he came to the thinking that MJ was a regressed 10 year old (in a grownups body). That's fine.
But even if he had psychological problems, and didn't think what he was doing was wrong.........that doesn't make it okay (if the allegations are true - I really have no idea what happened and neither does anyone on here). If the stories of touching boys and doing other sexual-type acts with boys are true.....he shouldn't get a free pass because he had psychological problems. Inappropriate is inappropriate, ya know?
I stand by the thinking that if it wasn't michael jackson.....but some guy who lived up the road from you who had all the same circumstances (accused of the same things, having psychological issues and acting like a child, etc) that people definitely would not treat the two the same way. The fact that he's michael jackson ( even with psychological problems) doesn't mean he should be free to do inappropriate things with kids (again - this isn't confirmed.....it's just the accusations).
So yea....even if he was in the mindset that all he was doing was innocent fun with his friends (who happened to be children).....that doesn't make it okay.
aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway
did anyone hear the rumor of Joe Jackson reportedly wanting to put MJ's 3 kids in a group and call them the Jackson 3? Apparently he's the only one.....and thankfully the rest of the family won't have it. I really think the last things those kids need is to be thrust into the spotlight and used to make money.
I don't know if you understood what I was saying or the views that were put forth in those videos. What I'm saying is that it is my belief that he didn't touch those kids. Not that he touched them and didn't know it was wrong.
A lot of people have brought that theory up when discussing MJ. I believe it to a degree.....there are reports from thesmokinggun about the psychologist who interviewed one of the alleged victims....and he came to the thinking that MJ was a regressed 10 year old (in a grownups body). That's fine.
But even if he had psychological problems, and didn't think what he was doing was wrong.........that doesn't make it okay (if the allegations are true - I really have no idea what happened and neither does anyone on here). If the stories of touching boys and doing other sexual-type acts with boys are true.....he shouldn't get a free pass because he had psychological problems. Inappropriate is inappropriate, ya know?
I stand by the thinking that if it wasn't michael jackson.....but some guy who lived up the road from you who had all the same circumstances (accused of the same things, having psychological issues and acting like a child, etc) that people definitely would not treat the two the same way. The fact that he's michael jackson ( even with psychological problems) doesn't mean he should be free to do inappropriate things with kids (again - this isn't confirmed.....it's just the accusations).
So yea....even if he was in the mindset that all he was doing was innocent fun with his friends (who happened to be children).....that doesn't make it okay.
aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway
did anyone hear the rumor of Joe Jackson reportedly wanting to put MJ's 3 kids in a group and call them the Jackson 3? Apparently he's the only one.....and thankfully the rest of the family won't have it. I really think the last things those kids need is to be thrust into the spotlight and used to make money.
I don't know if you understood what I was saying or the views that were put forth in those videos. What I'm saying is that it is my belief that he didn't touch those kids. Not that he touched them and didn't know it was wrong.
sorry for misinterpreting that. I just read the stuff about him being a 10 year old in a 50 year olds body and assumed you were saying basically the same thing the psychologist was saying. I didn't get a chance to watch the videos cuz I was at work and it's hard to watch stuff with the boss around. basically the psychologist (that I brought up) was kind saying what MJ was doing would have been normal and innocent if they were two young boys.....but he was a 50 year old guy.
here's what i was talking about:
In a taped June 2003 telephone interview, Katz, 55, gave a Santa Barbara sheriff's investigator his "off the record" opinion of the 46-year-old entertainer. Jackson, Katz told Det. Paul Zelis, "is a guy that's like a 10-year-old child. And, you know, he's doing what a 10-year-old would do with his little buddies. You know, they're gonna jack off, watch movies, drink wine, you know. And, you know, he doesn't even really qualify as a pedophile. He's really just this regressed 10-year-old."
sorry about misinterpreting your point MrKC.....didn't mean to imply you meant/thought something different.
In a taped June 2003 telephone interview, Katz, 55, gave a Santa Barbara sheriff's investigator his "off the record" opinion of the 46-year-old entertainer. Jackson, Katz told Det. Paul Zelis, "is a guy that's like a 10-year-old child. And, you know, he's doing what a 10-year-old would do with his little buddies. You know, they're gonna jack off, watch movies, drink wine, you know. And, you know, he doesn't even really qualify as a pedophile. He's really just this regressed 10-year-old."
Someone should be looking into this psychologist. Jackin' off with your buddies? wtf? Is that what 10 year olds do? I'm glad I missed out on this part of childhood.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 17, 2009 13:05:17 GMT -5
^^Yeah I don't think I was drinkin' any wine with my 10 yr old buddies either at that age. Come to think of it, I really didn't watch movies much either. I think I was outside playing soccer, goofin' off on a swingset, or something else of the sorts.
Man, I must have been a really freakin' weird 10 year old according to this psychologist
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 17, 2009 13:49:43 GMT -5
I didn't take that to mean literally jackin off with each other like doing it to each other and stuff. more along the lines of curious 10 year old boys (and girls) discussing or showing (or doing other stuff they don't know is inappropriate). kinda like the old "you show me yours and i'll show you mine that i'm sure some kids get into.
but then again just because you didn't do something doesn't mean others had the same experience as you
I have always defended Michael on the basis that no one can understand being an adult at the age of 5 and being in the spotlight for his entire life while his father made him second guess everything he was inside, thus making him feel he wasn't worthy of his success and looks and w/e.
However i can't remember a whole lot of my friends jacking off when they were in the 3rd or 4th grade. I think that psychologist is weirder than Michael.
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However i can't remember a whole lot of my friends jacking off when they were in the 3rd or 4th grade. I think that psychologist is weirder than Michael.
how would you know they weren't jacking off? they told you?
lol jk
but seriously - not everyone has the same experiences....so just because you may not have done it doesn't mean that's the same for the general public.
this is from menshealth.about.com:
Question: From What Age Do Males Start Masturbating?
Answer: Boys get erections as small babies. It is reported that self stimulation occurs as early as at 6 months of age in boys (about 10 months in girls). Most self stimulatory behavior is stopped because it is not socially acceptable. Masturbatory behavior tends to resume in privacy when children are about 8 years old.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 17, 2009 18:07:50 GMT -5
I know that I for one am glad that this discussion has evolved into a questioning of what age boys start to jerk it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised when the topic at hand started with MJ
I know that I for one am glad that this discussion has evolved into a questioning of what age boys start to jerk it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised when the topic at hand started with MJ
Post by StreetBum87 on Sept 15, 2009 20:47:37 GMT -5
im a little....out of it, so im sorry if it's already been answered, but im not going to real all 6 pages, yeah i know only 6 but question: what happens to the Beatles rights now that Michael died.
Michael Jackson arranged to give Paul McCartney the rights to the Beatles back catalog through his will according to reports published earlier this year. The pair who scored hits together in the mid-1980's with Say, Say, Say and The Girl Is Mine had been feuding for years after Jackson won the rights to the Beatles back catalog because of legal wrangling between Macca and John Lennon's widow Yoko Ono.
McCartney for years expressed his dissatisfaction with Jackson's maneuver and the two were never on speaking terms again. Previously, the pair collaborated on Jackson's 1982 'Thriller' extract 'The Girl is Mine,' and McCartney's 1983 single 'Say, Say, Say' from 'Pipes of Peace' and forged a close friendship.
U.K. newspaper the Daily Mirror quoted a Jackson insider as saying in January saying:
"Michael told his lawyers he was sad he no longer talks to Sir Paul and said he wanted to make things right."
Jackson, who died today at 50 years of age, had been reportedly diagnosed with cancer and one can speculate that the strain put on his heart during workouts for his concerts next month in London ultimately led to the King of Pop's demise. Jackson had sold 50% of his assets to Sony but held the other half which would be given back to McCartney if the rumors are proven to true.