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The clamoring I was speaking to were the uniformed cries of "loony" and "she must be stopped" on this board. Instead of thoughtful, informed discourse this thread evolved in to angry villagers with torches. One cannot glean mental stability from Oprah, Inside Edition or even legitimate news sources, and advocating mandatory birth control and/or arguing for removal of children from the household without knowing all the facts is knee jerk.
Yes, it is possible for all embryos to take. Again, I don't know what the incidence is, but that is a risk that should have been disclosed to the patient. Given what seem to be some shady practices by the doctor in question, who knows what really went down. That particular physician has also allegedly implanted a high number of embryos (more than recommended) in another patient whom reports say is an unemployed mother of five.
The clamoring I was speaking to were the uniformed cries of "loony" and "she must be stopped" on this board. Instead of thoughtful, informed discourse this thread evolved in to angry villagers with torches. One cannot glean mental stability from Oprah, Inside Edition or even legitimate news sources, and advocating mandatory birth control and/or arguing for removal of children from the household without knowing all the facts is knee jerk.
Yes, it is possible for all embryos to take. Again, I don't know what the incidence is, but that is a risk that should have been disclosed to the patient. Given what seem to be some shady practices by the doctor in question, who knows what really went down. That particular physician has also allegedly implanted a high number of embryos (more than recommended) in another patient whom reports say is an unemployed mother of five.
I've discussed legal precedents and the policymaking process... yet I'm part of a torch-wielding angry mob instead of participating in thoughtful, informed discourse? Please.
I advocated for neither mandatory birth control nor taking Nadya's children away from her. In fact, I pointed out the illegality of mandatory birth control. I never said her children should be taken away from her. I don't think they're necessarily better off in state hands or a foster home. What I'm saying is, Nadya's fourteen children will be done no favor by bringing #15 and beyond into the world.
What's with me is that this thread has inspired me to revisit Brave New World...
I got two chapters in before something made me think of Nadya.
The Director interrupted himself. "You know what Polish is, I suppose?"
"A dead language."
"Like French and German," added another student, officiously showing off his learning.
"And 'parent'?" questioned the D.H.C.
There was an uneasy silence. Several of the boys blushed. They had not yet learned to draw the significant but often very fine distinction between smut and pure science. One, at last, had the courage to raise a hand.
"Human beings used to be …" he hesitated; the blood rushed to his cheeks. "Well, they used to be viviparous."
"Quite right." The Director nodded approvingly.
"And when the babies were decanted …"
"'Born,'" came the correction.
"Well, then they were the parents–I mean, not the babies, of course; the other ones." The poor boy was overwhelmed with confusion.
"In brief," the Director summed up, "the parents were the father and the mother." The smut that was really science fell with a crash into the boys' eye-avoiding silence. "Mother," he repeated loudly rubbing in the science; and, leaning back in his chair, "These," he said gravely, "are unpleasant facts; I know it. But then most historical facts are unpleasant."
He returned to Little Reuben–to Little Reuben, in whose room, one evening, by an oversight, his father and mother (crash, crash!) happened to leave the radio turned on.
("For you must remember that in those days of gross viviparous reproduction, children were always brought up by their parents and not in State Conditioning Centres.")
Nadya Suleman: A New House And Six Angry, Sad Older Kids a Suleman's second publicist quit, Saturday she gave (sold?) an interview to syndicated entertainment show "The Insider" and took them to see her octuplets, and now she's buying a house with all the money she has coming in from her website and selling interviews and images.
According to the interview, her older six kids aren't handling the eight new kids well, saying they are, "Externalizing their anger. Internalizing it. They become more withdrawn and get a little more sad."
She also touched on her still-unknown sperm donor, saying she paid him a "certain amount of money."
Late Monday TMZ reported that she will close on a house this week.
It's located in La Habra, near where OctoGrandma lives now. It has four bedrooms and three bathrooms, a large master bedroom with a walk-in closet and a large backyard. It's listed for $564,900.
Below is the press release detailing the Insider interview:
THE INSIDER visited with Nadya Suleman at Kaiser Permanente Hospital in Bellflower, CA on Saturday, March 7th, to see how all eight octoplets are doing, for a new interview to air tonight, March 9th and tomorrow, March 10th.
Nadya tells THE INSIDER how the two smallest octuplets are today, "Josiah is still feeding from a tube that's where he gets his milk. But he's stable, just still really little, just two pounds. Jonah is the littlest one. He's also got a feeding tube but he's doing amazing, negative in all his tests. Brainscan, everything is perfect. He's actually 2 and a half pounds already so that's wonderful. I cried a little when I saw him because he wasn't with this other siblings on the other side. Give it a week, two weeks. He's so strong, so I'm happy, That's all that matters."
When asked if she paid the father of the octuplets for his sperm donation, Nadya says, "A certain amount of money... not too much but just enough so he knew that there were boundaries there. I wanted those boundaries to be really firm and know that this is a business arrangement."
On if the octuplets will experience delays in their development, she says, "There will most likely be delays. Delayed walking and delayed speech, but that's where early intervention is key. It's really critical, and that's why I'm going to do what I can. That's also why I'll be getting a lot of help. The nannies that I'm going to use have already been trained to really work with them to decrease the probability of any of that happening."
Nadya tells THE INSIDER how her older children are handling the birth of the octuplets, "Externalizing their anger. Internalizing it. They become more withdrawn and get a little more sad. One of my kids for a while, I noticed he didn't want to deal with the reality of what's going on. I noticed some tears coming down his face. I held him for ten minutes and he held me back and that's all he needed."
She also revealed the current weight of all octuplets: Nariah: 3.5 lbs, Makai: 3.5 lbs, Jeremiah: 3.5 lbs, Jonah: 2.5, Josiah: 2.5 lbs, Noah: 4.5 lbs, Isaiah: 4.5 lbs, Maliah: 4 lbs.
I'd say that when you're buying a $500,000+ house you should no longer qualify for government aid.
Government assistance because you meet income requirements is one thing... government assistance because your children meet certain conditions, like her autistic child, are another matter.
Increasing her income would stop the former, but I don't see why it would stop the latter...
It's interesting to note she's already talking about some of these octuplets' developmental problems. You know, the kinds of problems that the state helps her with regardless of her income...
I don't really feel anger so much as lots of sadness for the children - they are the innocents in all of this and I just hope that they all get the care and love they deserve. None of them asked to be put in the position they are now in thanks to a psychotic woman who was obsessed with breeding.
It has always seemed to me (and I know not every one shares this opinion) that if we have to take a test to drive a car - people should have to take a basic test before being allowed to reproduce.
I don't really feel anger so much as lots of sadness for the children - they are the innocents in all of this and I just hope that they all get the care and love they deserve. None of them asked to be put in the position they are now in thanks to a psychotic woman who was obsessed with breeding.
It has always seemed to me (and I know not every one shares this opinion) that if we have to take a test to drive a car - people should have to take a basic test before being allowed to reproduce.
x1,000,000 I think the anger comes from being a single mom and working so hard to make sure my daughter doesnt feel one drop of discomfort even if that means I gotta suffer in the process. Then I have to watch this lady bring more children into the world in a craptastic situation. Yes they will be the ones to suffer. Im totally for testing before having kids.
Because that would be a violation of your personal reproductive rights.
I understand the anger - I was a single mom - I know what it is like to struggle. I was luckier then most to have parents that will step in if necessary.
Because that would be a violation of your personal reproductive rights.
I understand the anger - I was a single mom - I know what it is like to struggle. I was luckier then most to have parents that will step in if necessary.
I understand its a violation of your personal rights...it was kinda a joke, but not really if that makes sense lol. Im working and paying taxes part of which goes to the state to support mothers like her who dont work. So its like taking money out of my daughter's mouth and giving it to whoever makes poor decisions in their life because they didnt think things through. Blah I find it unfair, but c'est la vie.
Because that would be a violation of your personal reproductive rights.
I understand the anger - I was a single mom - I know what it is like to struggle. I was luckier then most to have parents that will step in if necessary.
I understand its a violation of your personal rights...it was kinda a joke, but not really if that makes sense lol. Im working and paying taxes part of which goes to the state to support mothers like her who dont work. So its like taking money out of my daughter's mouth and giving it to whoever makes poor decisions in their life because they didnt think things through. Blah I find it unfair, but c'est la vie.
Agreed. It's crazy to think the government should have control over your personal or reproductive rights, BUT when the government is supporting you, then maybe they should have a say in your rights.
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Because that would be a violation of your personal reproductive rights.
I understand the anger - I was a single mom - I know what it is like to struggle. I was luckier then most to have parents that will step in if necessary.
I understand its a violation of your personal rights...it was kinda a joke, but not really if that makes sense lol. Im working and paying taxes part of which goes to the state to support mothers like her who dont work. So its like taking money out of my daughter's mouth and giving it to whoever makes poor decisions in their life because they didnt think things through. Blah I find it unfair, but c'est la vie.
I agree completely - I think it is unfair for us to pay taxes and have people living off of welfare - but there are people that would argue that "living off of welfare" is not correct and that they are just doing the best they can - well to me - that means they should quit having babies. In my mind there should be a cut off for the people that have been receiving welfare long term and are having their 4-5-6 baby while still on welfare.
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In a nutshell: One family has had three infants die while sleeping with adults. In 1993, the man's first daughter (with a different woman) died while sleeping with her grandmother. Last April, the man's two-month-old daughter with current partner died while sleeping with her mother. Last week, their week-old daughter died while sleeping with the same mother. I believe they still have four kids. Social service agencies are intervening.
In a nutshell: One family has had three infants die while sleeping with adults. In 1993, the man's first daughter (with a different woman) died while sleeping with her grandmother. Last April, the man's two-month-old daughter with current partner died while sleeping with her mother. Last week, their week-old daughter died while sleeping with the same mother. I believe they still have four kids. Social service agencies are intervening.
Sounds like Drew Peterson, only with kids not wives.
Firstly, she admitted to briefly being a stripper after turning 18: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29883773/ Her reason for quitting: “I only did it one night,” Suleman was heard to say. “I quit when I found out I was expected to perform lap dances on the customers.” I thought that was to be expected when you take that kind of job?
It's also worth noting that four of the recent octuplets remain in the hospital. She just kicked out free nurses who were helping her care for ten children... That's exactly what a good mom in her situation should do, right?