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Post by poopzilla33 on Apr 13, 2007 13:50:06 GMT -5
i feel hate coems from steryotyping and steryotyping comes form that fact that human beings, as animals, are not meant to see as many people as we do. human being are meant to bond closely with a "tribe" of other humans. nowadays we have cars and planes and trains, and society has eveolved fatser than our minds can catch up so the fact that we see way mroe people than we're suppose to leads to steryotyping and hate
Post by bojangles22 on Apr 13, 2007 16:02:23 GMT -5
I like to group stereotyping and racism into the 'reflex' category. The pain in your broken ankle serves as a "self preservation reflex" to keep you from standing on it and compounding your injury. However, the reflexes arn't always right,,, ever sprain yer ankle and limp around, and then when it's not sprained anymore yer still favoring it?
Fear of what is different is a self preservation reflex. a person veiws a group of people that seem to act different, or they have had a bad experience with a particular person of a certain race(remember that people in general are asses), then they take the humanity out of the race so that the decision to hate them becomes easier. (i hurd my grampa say once, "all them black folks care about is weed, and large rear-ended sluts" which is such a narrow minded thing to say, but it made his decision to dislike what is different, easier,, and also made him feel better about his own self) It's funny to me that the human race is pretty much the same, regardless of the color, yet there exists so many stereotypes, and misconceptions, and thoes things only perpetuate the racism.
*modified) i also find it quite ironic how beautiful mixed-race babies are! everyone fears what is different, but it seems that what is different is actually good for you.
Post by oatmealschnappz on Apr 13, 2007 22:43:10 GMT -5
Not really philosophy but, more of an observation.
When I was a littlee kid (like 7 or 8) I thought that, at some point in the past (early 60's ?), people invented color. This was based on seeing old pictures of my parents and family. Since when my parents were in their early twenties all of the family pictures started being in color, I assumed that before that point everything had been in black & white. Like I said, this isn't any deep philosophical epiphany or anything. It just goes to show how simple and easy things appear when you're very young. Life is full of mystery and miracles but, it's so simple and accepted. I really miss that sometimes.
Last Edit: Apr 14, 2007 10:37:08 GMT -5 by oatmealschnappz - Back to Top
this is completely off topic from what everyone is talking about and in the grand scheme of things probably doesn't even matter, but i think this is the place for it to be said...
ever since the big bang (sorry, fundamentalists) all matter in the universe has been expanding outward. at the same time, everything in the universe has a gravitational pull on everything else. every time you blink, every time you breathe, every time your heart beats, you're directly affecting the entire universe. the pull is so infinitesimal that we will never feel its effects within our lives, but it is inarguably there. this means that eventually, after some ridiculously long period of time, matter will stop expanding outward and will then come back together. eventually, after the current chaotic state the universe is in, it will be a single entity. the universe, and existence itself, is nothing more than a cycle of chaos and order.
i felt so smart when i came up with this theory...but i get the feeling someone beat me to it. if anyone knows if it's already been said, could you let me know who said it?
Post by oatmealschnappz on Apr 14, 2007 23:16:37 GMT -5
^You should feel smart. That was one of Einstein's theories. Keeping in step with the infinite ebb and flow of the universe, after the period of relative singularity, everything will collapse on it's self with an unfathomable force. And it will all start over again.
dammit! i knew it...it's impossible to be original these days. i also came up with this awesome theory of human nature based on evolution and all that, and figured out that thomas hobbes beat me. like 300 years ago. what a douchebag...
Post by spookymonster on Apr 14, 2007 23:47:50 GMT -5
Parallel evolution of thought doesn't diminish the crreativity of the thinker(s). Most people will live and die without even hearing of the Big Bang theory, much less dream it up in a moment of clarity. You are to be commended, sir.
Post by oatmealschnappz on Apr 14, 2007 23:54:28 GMT -5
likewhoa said:
dammit! i knew it...it's impossible to be original these days. i also came up with this awesome theory of human nature based on evolution and all that, and figured out that thomas hobbes beat me. like 300 years ago. what a dooshbagh...
At least you're thinking. Karma for you, my friend!
When I was a littlee kid (like 7 or 8) I thought that, at some point in the past (early 60's ?), people invented color. This was based on seeing old pictures of my parents and family. Since when my parents were in their early twenties all of the family pictures started being in color, I assumed that before that point everything had been in black & white.
there is definitely a calvin & hobbes cartoon about this.
I've always had a theory that we see colors differently and don't realize it because we agree on the labels we've chosen for them.
Think back to kindergarten when we're shown circles of all the colors and taught this is blue, this is red, etc. The color I see when I look at the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color you see on the circle labeled 'orange', and the color you see on the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color I see on the circle labeled 'black'. But no matter what color each of us sees through our own eyes, we agreed (unconsciously) "This is blue".
I think also about color blends. In a sunset the colors are amazingly beautiful, but if I looked through your eyes I may be seeing colors that I would find garish and nauseating all thrown up in the sky together. You however have always seen it this way and life experience has taught you that when you see that palette of colors blended together it's beautiful, and so it is.
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I've always had a theory that we see colors differently and don't realize it because we agree on the labels we've chosen for them.
Think back to kindergarten when we're shown circles of all the colors and taught this is blue, this is red, etc. The color I see when I look at the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color you see on the circle labeled 'orange', and the color you see on the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color I see on the circle labeled 'black'. But no matter what color each of us sees through our own eyes, we agreed (unconsciously) "This is blue".
I think also about color blends. In a sunset the colors are amazingly beautiful, but if I looked through your eyes I may be seeing colors that I would find garish and nauseating all thrown up in the sky together. You however have always seen it this way and life experience has taught you that when you see that palette of colors blended together it's beautiful, and so it is.
Has everyone thought about this color thing? Because it's something that has always made so much sense to me, but every time I've ever brought it up to other people that have no cue what I'm talking about....
I've always had a theory that we see colors differently and don't realize it because we agree on the labels we've chosen for them.
Think back to kindergarten when we're shown circles of all the colors and taught this is blue, this is red, etc. The color I see when I look at the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color you see on the circle labeled 'orange', and the color you see on the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color I see on the circle labeled 'black'. But no matter what color each of us sees through our own eyes, we agreed (unconsciously) "This is blue".
I think also about color blends. In a sunset the colors are amazingly beautiful, but if I looked through your eyes I may be seeing colors that I would find garish and nauseating all thrown up in the sky together. You however have always seen it this way and life experience has taught you that when you see that palette of colors blended together it's beautiful, and so it is.
I've always had a theory that we see colors differently and don't realize it because we agree on the labels we've chosen for them.
Think back to kindergarten when we're shown circles of all the colors and taught this is blue, this is red, etc. The color I see when I look at the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color you see on the circle labeled 'orange', and the color you see on the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color I see on the circle labeled 'black'. But no matter what color each of us sees through our own eyes, we agreed (unconsciously) "This is blue".
I think also about color blends. In a sunset the colors are amazingly beautiful, but if I looked through your eyes I may be seeing colors that I would find garish and nauseating all thrown up in the sky together. You however have always seen it this way and life experience has taught you that when you see that palette of colors blended together it's beautiful, and so it is.
Has everyone thought about this color thing? Because it's something that has always made so much sense to me, but every time I've ever brought it up to other people that have no cue what I'm talking about....
More. I'm colorblind, so I feel I can comment.
I know what you all call purple, but it looks like a different shade of blue to me. I can deal, because I know this; my weird-darkish blue is what you call purple. It doesn't look purple to me, but I can correlate the name you give it to what I see. Then I know what name to call it so all you omni-colorists will understand me.
Errybody gots handicaps. It's how you react that counts.
Last summer at Bisco I found myself at the top of a hill with a couple of people and we got into a conversation. On the one side was me and my boy justin. Completely organic view on life. Take it all in. Love it all. Be happy just for the sale of being happy. On the other side was this other kid(can't remember his name. So we'll call him Kid) and he was totally the opposite. Saw the world as a game to beat. No grey area. This is this and that is that. It was an amazing discussion that covered everything from politics to festival etiquette. About 6 hours into it, yes I said 6, my friend justin stated, "I get it now. You don't have a grey scale. You view the world as black and white and me and Karen and Mo(his girlfriend) view it as shades of color."
To which Kid responded, "well yeah, I don't have a grey scale. I'm colorblind." And he explained that he was both types of color blind or something like that. And it was a mind blowing moment. We were all like, "OMG, that makes all of the sense in the world".
He then went on to tell is about the first time he did acid and was able to see colors for the first time. And Justin asked him, "what happened when you saw colors for the first time?" And Kid gave the most brilliant of answers....
"What didn't happen"
It wa such a good festival moment.
We then all hugged it out and made our way down the hill to shower and change and went to see more music.
According to solipsism, mirrors aren't real. Neither are our eyes. The only thing that is real is your mind. Not your body, or my mind, or my body, or the couch I'm sitting on. Nothing exists but your self in your mind. Everything that you perceive is just a representation of your self that you project to create your reality. But I think this philosophy is basically bullshit, although it can be fun to explore. Our eyes are real, as are the mirrors we look into. This does not mean our perceptions are anywhere similar to each others though.
As for the perception of colors, there is truth in the idea that not everyone sees color in the same way. First there are actual physical differences that can prevent someone from distinguishing certain colors, i.e. color blindness. But we do, as individuals, perceive the same things in different ways. For example, think about music. Some people may hear a song and think it is a beautiful piece of music while others do not. The same goes for anything else we can sense or experience. So who is to say that we all see colors in the same exact way? My mind may not see blue, or red, or any other color in the same exact way that yours does. Barring any color blindness there is no sure way to distinguish my color perception from yours because of how we have identified those colors from our earliest years.
According to solipsism, mirrors aren't real. Neither are our eyes. The only thing that is real is your mind. Not your body, or my mind, or my body, or the couch I'm sitting on. Nothing exists but your self in your mind. Everything that you perceive is just a representation of your self that you project to create your reality. But I think this philosophy is basically bullshit, although it can be fun to explore. Our eyes are real, as are the mirrors we look into. This does not mean our perceptions are anywhere similar to each others though.
As for the perception of colors, there is truth in the idea that not everyone sees color in the same way. First there are actual physical differences that can prevent someone from distinguishing certain colors, i.e. color blindness. But we do, as individuals, perceive the same things in different ways. For example, think about music. Some people may hear a song and think it is a beautiful piece of music while others do not. The same goes for anything else we can sense or experience. So who is to say that we all see colors in the same exact way? My mind may not see blue, or red, or any other color in the same exact way that yours does. Barring any color blindness there is no sure way to distinguish my color perception from yours because of how we have identified those colors from our earliest years.
The really amazing thing is there is no way to tell someone, to completely describe to someone what color YOU are seeing, whether you are colorblind or not. There is no way to connect on that level. You are the only one who it's experiencing that wavelength of light being reflected from that particular surface at that specific time of day at a precise angle.
Some have it worse than others with terminology, but we are all in the same boat.
Apply that knowledge to other concepts, and it becomes easier to understand misunderstandings.
krunchykat My post was a tweet sent out by Jaden Smith; a joke excuse to bump a seven-year-old thread. I both love and hate solipsism arguments because while I can use it to cut down other people's arguments, it can also be used to cut down mine. =P
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I've always had a theory that we see colors differently and don't realize it because we agree on the labels we've chosen for them.
Think back to kindergarten when we're shown circles of all the colors and taught this is blue, this is red, etc. The color I see when I look at the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color you see on the circle labeled 'orange', and the color you see on the circle labeled 'blue' may be the color I see on the circle labeled 'black'. But no matter what color each of us sees through our own eyes, we agreed (unconsciously) "This is blue".
I think also about color blends. In a sunset the colors are amazingly beautiful, but if I looked through your eyes I may be seeing colors that I would find garish and nauseating all thrown up in the sky together. You however have always seen it this way and life experience has taught you that when you see that palette of colors blended together it's beautiful, and so it is.
Has everyone thought about this color thing? Because it's something that has always made so much sense to me, but every time I've ever brought it up to other people that have no cue what I'm talking about....
I've thought about this a lot. I'll have to find it again, but there was an article somewhere that discussed that people in different areas of the world actually see different colors. It's mostly different shades but it was extremely interesting. Like, native people of the rainforest can see many more variants of green than you or me. There's also a language factor. I really need to find that article. It was really interesting.
I know what you all call purple, but it looks like a different shade of blue to me. I can deal, because I know this; my weird-darkish blue is what you call purple. It doesn't look purple to me, but I can correlate the name you give it to what I see. Then I know what name to call it so all you omni-colorists will understand me.
Errybody gots handicaps. It's how you react that counts.
A friend I had in high school is colorblind. We took all the wrappers off crayons once, and asked him to just pick up whatever crayon matched what he thought was the color we were asking for. This was all for us to get a better understanding of what he actually sees. Anyway, from this came what we called "the Colorblind Color Wheel." Purples, blues and pinks fell into the "Blurple" category. Browns, oranges and greens fell under "Breen." Art classes were fun with him.