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I apologize if this is already a thread, but I couldn't find it anywhere if it is.
Anywho, is anyone else thinking this year will NOT be at capacity. If I remember correctly, the only other year that didn't sell out was when Panic double-headlined. (2003-4?) I know there is still a week left, but it would seem that anyone planning on making the trip would definitely have tickets right now. Bonnaroo isn't exactly a spur of the moment kind of deal.
the new diverese lineup. bonnaroo used to be garunteed 30,000 festival rats/jam band fans and now alot of those avoid roo and go to mountain jam, waka, allgood, 10klf, and/or gotv instead. theyve got better lineups if your a fan of "jam" (damn i hate that term), they have better venues (excluding waka) and a whole lot less hassles.(excluding waka) and roo is farther away (excluding waka). most festival regulars live in the north east and midwest not the south. i love roo but i see why people decide not to come for 1 headliner and 2 latenights. plus its overpriced!!! still a deal but its my 7th favorite lineup this summer and its by far the most expensive. just my thoughts. the less people the cleaner the porta johns will be. and the fewer people the more likley the lineups direction may reverse. both are good for me ;D
Last Edit: Jun 6, 2007 18:09:24 GMT -5 by Dude - Back to Top
an over-saturated festival market, rising ticket prices, and a big departure lineup-wise from traditional roots may have played a part in this festival not selling out.
They also never announced a capacity to the 2007 festival, which makes me think they raised it again, b/c I'm sure they shelled out a lot of money for both Tool and The Police. To have a cap on Bonnaroo is kind of silly anyway, the relative difference between 80K and 85K is indistinguishable on site. The only place it is distinguishable is on a profit/loss sheet.
Well, there have been tickets with numbers in the 88,000 range, so maybe they upped it to 90,000 this year. That would explain the difficulty in selling out (ironic since they said 80,000 seemed like a perfect number last year).
I have to agree with Dude. "Jambands" have a very loyal following, if they aren't there neither are the fans. The lack of the "jams" this year makes me seriously consider another option next year. Allgood is closer and cheaper, and ALL my bands are there.
It prolly isn't the only reason but it's definitely one of them.
i serously doubt they would sell 88,000 G.A. tickets. the 90,000 plus in 04 includes thousands of workers and volunteers. and thousands of vip'ers. so 90,000 G.A. tickets would mean well over 100,000 people. and isnt the site smaller now becaue they didnt lease some of the land they have previously?
I personally think they would sell as many tickets as they can. With the purchase of the land they are on the hook for more overhead than ever. They have to offset that cost somehow.
The "Cap" of 80K they set in 2006 was ridiculous, b/c they knew they never sold that many tickets in 2005
I think both of you guys are right - there's just more festival options out there, so anyone that's into a specific market can find something better suited to their needs. You like jambands? 10KL or Allgood. Alternative/Indie? Coachella or Pitchfork. Country/Folk? Stagecoach. On and on. It's going to be tough for Bonnaroo to stay ahead while trying to do a little bit of everything...
well my guess is that the roo farm will be hosting fests to compete with all of those in the near future. roo will probably continue to be a bit of everything and they will have other jam, indie, and country fests. adn they can afford to lose some attendance on roo by having a more diverse/radio band type lineup becasue they will have the other fests to help pay the bills too.
Post by HoodooOperator on Jun 6, 2007 19:35:27 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
bonnaroo used to be guaranteed 30,000 festival rats/jam band fans and now alot of those avoid roo
I think there will still be AT LEAST 30,000 "festival rats/jam fans" there....No? SCI & Panic alone should draw that fan there.
Regardless, I could give three sh*ts if the 'roo sells out, more dancin room, cleaner sh*tters, and prolly an even better lineup next year! (if that is possible )
I really don't mind the non-sell out either. I doubt they upped the capacity from last year to 90,000. I agree that there may have been more costs this year, but isn't that why tix went up about $20 across the board at all levels....
I have seen people claiming tix numbered around 88K as well. I think they were VIP tix, though. Maybe they start numbering them at 80? I wouldn't be surprised by a 90K capacity, though.
The year it didn't sell out was the one with the a jam band as a headliner for two nights. How is it we can still bray on about the incredible financial power of Jam Bands? That would be the same year that they completely cancelled the jam-fueled Bonnaroo-style tour (I forget the name of it- can someone help me here?) due to low ticket sales.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jun 6, 2007 20:34:31 GMT -5
^^^^^I was thinking the same thing. where's the logic in thinking that making Bonnaroo more accessable and unique will decrease ticket sales.? as for all the other fests, I havent heard anything about them selling out, and most of them have a much lower cap than Bonnaroo does.
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Might sell out after all - they weren't kidding when they said this last year.
well with a pretty much floating capacity its good business for them to call it a sell out on the last day. i wouldnt put it past superfly to just slap the label on it. their marketing campaign was blown up by inforoo and bonnaroodetective. could be damage control. or it could be selling out. im still hoping for shorter lines and cleaner porta potties ;D
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how awesome would it be if next year, it went to a more a jam band type event! i think they really hit the sweet spot last year with a good mix, honestly this year is one of my least fave line ups, but of course im still going.
I remember BonnrooNE. Though it never happenned so there isn't much to remember. What I do remember is they cancelled it right before Bonnaroo 2003, like the week before maybe. Or maybe 2 weeks before. Whatever the length of time it was, it was short, b/c the Bonnaroo program had several ads for BonnarooNE in it.... Come to the festival that isn't happenning :-)
Diversity is a niche market in the US -- kind of sad, but true.
They'll continue to sell enormous amounts of tickets every year, but having multiple Bonnaroo style fests every year would never fly. The jam kids cry because there's too much indie/alterna-pop, the indie kids cry because there's too much jammy/roots rock, and the top 40 crowd, which still compromises the majority of the music consuming public, is still saying "Bonnawhat?" The crowd at Roo is unique. So, Bonnaroo is really just a big ol' experiment in seeing just how far they can bend the minds of their base. I dunno about you guys, but I'm game!
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Diversity is a niche market in the US -- kind of sad, but true.
They'll continue to sell enormous amounts of tickets every year, but having multiple Bonnaroo style fests every year would never fly. The jam kids cry because there's too much indie/alterna-pop, the indie kids cry because there's too much jammy/roots rock, and the top 40 crowd, which still compromises the majority of the music consuming public, is still saying "Bonnawhat?" The crowd at Roo is unique. So, Bonnaroo is really just a big ol' experiment in seeing just how far they can bend the minds of their base. I dunno about you guys, but I'm game!
Can no one remember the name of that traveling mini-Roo from '05 that got canceled due to low ticket sales? Wasn't in Z-something? like, Zarimia or something? It was Trey and Ben Harper and others... Zoomala? Oh, I dunno.
From what I could find (thank you Google!):
2002: 70k (Sell out) 2003: 80k (Sell out) 2004: 90k (Sell out) 2005: 75k (Sell out? - I certainly didn't remember it selling out and couldn't find any online confirmation) 2006: 80k (Sell out)
It's a pretty big variation. Still, the lowest year other than the first (which hadn't planned for more than 70k) was 2005, who planned for more and supposedly didn't make it (that year they were planning for 90k still). In '06 they made a big deal about lowering the bar on tickets to 80k, and sold out at the last minute. Lowering bar made a lot of sense since they had paid for a 90k infrastructure in '05 and didn't need it that big. This year I don't remember reading that they froze it at 80k again, but I didn't read that they adjusted it at all either. Last year's lineup certainly didn't hurt the fest; it is funny that the lineup is dragged out as a complaint that tickets either are selling or aren't.