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Post by exitmusicroo on Jan 2, 2007 13:28:48 GMT -5
I feel like it's inevitable for Pearl Jam to headline 'Roo this year. All the pieces just seem to be fitting into place. And there is no doubt that if they are to play at Bonnaroo they will indeed headline. I'm not even a real Pearl Jam fan, I enjoy what I've heard from them, but I'm not hardcore into them. It just makes sense that one of the most popular bands in this country with one of the most devoted live followings will headline their first American fest in years at Bonnaroo.
i have never seen pj. and i really want to. and they have made their way lately off of touring not off of radio and mtv success. but i dont get that into the new stuff and i think most of that is a carry over from earlier pop success. i still love 'em and wanna see them they just arent big enough to headline roo. i just cant see it. the opening for neil young sounds reasonable and dare i say likely. just look at who hasnt headlined. bob dylan, willie nelson, james brown, allman bros, beck, black crowes. i just cant see pj headlining when those people werent. i just think they are one or two sizes too small to headline roo. we will see. i think they would put on a much better show then petty did. a pj set would likely be a mostly greatet hits set too but atleast it wont be like listening to them straight off a cd, i hope. (stevie nicks was nice, ill give that up. but it was still a greatrst hits show played straight off trhe cd)
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I disagree. You're definitely underestimating their popularity. Plus, if they play it will be their first American festival in at least 6 years, which adds to the greatness of the show.
thats laughable. those are far different fests then roo. so do you think franz ferdinand or muse would ever headline roo??? i dont see how you can even begin to compare those fest to roo. thats insane. saying that roo isnt as big as them is like saying britney spears is bigger then radiohead or trey. maybe fallout boy and my chemical romance will play the main stage at roo too. if they can play "bigger fests" they can do roo. gimme a break. there isnt one band on thier lineup that could headline roo. ill be happy if noone on those lists is at roo at all. outside of a daytime pearl jam. im all about that. after a comment like that id drive to manchester, kneel down below the rainbow, and throw myself upon the mercy of the roo gods and hope they dont bannish me to the reading festival.
the diversity of roo is really starting to show in its fanbase. i guess for some its a good thing. but its astonsihing to me. sounds like soon it will be coachella with rollercoasters. (im only kidding (for now). dont get all uptight.) but noone can deny a strange change in the types of bands people are predicting/suggesting to play/headline roo. its a very strange direction.
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if jimmy buffett plays at bonnaroo that will be the end...unless tool plays the day before him... he's the sorriest excuse for a musician, his live show is a joke, nobody gives a crap cause his music sucks, they're all just a bunch of drunks that don't understand what real music is, and if barenaked ladies are there that's the bullet in the my head, maybe they'll get kenny chesney or toby keith for next year, i could live with willie there but toby and kenny aren't real country anyways, they probably don't even write their own songs, maybe next year they'll get U2 and we can call it Bonoroo...
I think you got slammed in the karma pants for this posting, but man, are you ever spot on. I went to buffet last summer.
it was like watching a bunch of 40 year olds on thier one big day out - hoo ha'ing it up like they imagine 18 year olds do. the actual performance was lackluster - it was just a day for people to get drunk and carry-on. plus, for $50 lawn seats, I expected to see more than a beachball and lifeguard chair on the stage. It was also dissapointing to see them take a half hour (or so) break in the middle of thier set and ruin whatever momentum they had.
I was impressed by the devotion (alcoholism?) that some of the fans had - especially with the elaborate set-ups in the parkinglot.
thats laughable. those are far different fests then roo. so do you think franz ferdinand or muse would ever headline roo??? i dont see how you can even begin to compare those fest to roo. thats insane. saying that roo isnt as big as them is like saying britney spears is bigger then radiohead or trey. maybe fallout boy and my chemical romance will play the main stage at roo too. if they can play "bigger fests" they can do roo. gimme a break. there isnt one band on thier lineup that could headline roo. ill be happy if noone on those lists is at roo at all. outside of a daytime pearl jam. im all about that. after a comment like that id drive to manchester, kneel down below the rainbow, and throw myself upon the mercy of the roo gods and hope they dont bannish me to the reading festival.
the diversity of roo is really starting to show in its fanbase. i guess for some its a good thing. but its astonsihing to me. sounds like soon it will be coachella with rollercoasters. (im only kidding (for now). dont get all uptight.) but noone can deny a strange change in the types of bands people are predicting/suggesting to play/headline roo. its a very strange direction.
I first wanted to go to 'roo when i read in rollingstone that there were tables set-up at 03 (maybe 04) with chocolate covered mushrooms.
I decided to go to 'roo as soon as radiohead was announced
I would agree that my chemical romance and other angsty "woe is me" music will not be part of Roo, but neither you or I know what Superfly wants to do long term. I know they want to stay in business and make a tidy profit - because that's what every successful company wants to do.
Having more mainstream headliners makes the music press / internet buzz / makes for additional attendees. Sticking to jam-only music or stuff so far removed from the mainstream makes for an interesting footnote and the show will appeal to only a small group.
I think that part of the diversity of the bands that folks are predicting here reflects us trying to outthink SuperFly. There is a certain desire to predict the unpredictable going on here and that's fine. It's fun. It doesn't mean that everyone wants to wildly change the style and flow that we've come to know and love, but I think that it reflects a certain acceptance that the Roo officials are willing to shake things up.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Jan 2, 2007 18:10:41 GMT -5
They are announced with the initial. I think people are predicting the way roo was last year. There was a lot of variety, so i think the predictions have carried over that variety from last year.
thats laughable. those are far different fests then roo. so do you think franz ferdinand or muse would ever headline roo??? i dont see how you can even begin to compare those fest to roo. thats insane. saying that roo isnt as big as them is like saying britney spears is bigger then radiohead or trey. maybe fallout boy and my chemical romance will play the main stage at roo too. if they can play "bigger fests" they can do roo. gimme a break. there isnt one band on thier lineup that could headline roo. ill be happy if noone on those lists is at roo at all. outside of a daytime pearl jam. im all about that. after a comment like that id drive to manchester, kneel down below the rainbow, and throw myself upon the mercy of the roo gods and hope they dont bannish me to the reading festival.
the diversity of roo is really starting to show in its fanbase. i guess for some its a good thing. but its astonsihing to me. sounds like soon it will be coachella with rollercoasters. (im only kidding (for now). dont get all uptight.) but noone can deny a strange change in the types of bands people are predicting/suggesting to play/headline roo. its a very strange direction.
I don't get it-- PJare either too niche (i.e. because Reading/Leeds headliners are more Euro-centric and they wouldn't make natural Roo headliners than an American band wouldn't) or they are too pop, somehow equating PJ and two festivals who host 80k each to Britney Spears. You might want to take a look at the historical lineups of those festivals and you'll see many of the same names from Roo.
I wasn't suggesting that every Reading/Leeds headliner is therefore appropriate. But Pearl Jam is so big in Europe that an American band could justify headlining what is typically a big slot for a Euro-fave. Hmmm... What does that sound like... OH! Radiohead having enough of an American fanbase to justify an American headlining performance! I was just pointing out that the thought of Pearl Jam headlining an 80k+ festival in recent years is not unheard of. But if you think it'd be inappropriate in America or for Roo, than hey we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Anyway-- Reading/Leeds does very well catering to certain niches in other ways with wholes stages filled with virtual unknowns in certain genres to get exposure out. It's no secret that AC and Superfly have taken several cues from overseas festivals.
well with a lineup like they have this year i hope roos done "taking cues" from them. if you feel thats whats going on. but to call those fests bigger then roo is where my main problem is. with a lineup featuring fall out boy and my chemical romance on the mainstage i think its a fair to use the britney spears comparison. i wasnt comparing pj to her. i was comparing this crappy ass pop mtv fest you say is bigger then roo to her. and implying that if you can headline that crap fest you could headline roo. and to compare pearl jams festival popularity and say they should headline along with radiohead, trey, the dead, wsp, or even tom petty, james brown, neil young, willie nelson, or bob dylan seems silly to me also. again i hhope pj plays but i cant see them headlining. mainstage before a headliner is where they belong. imo. and im pretty sure thats the way it will work out. whoever said they should open for neil young hit the nail right on the head.
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and i dont feel they are too niche or too pop. they are just too small and too outdated. good show? yes. headliner? not in my opinion. i guess we will see in a few weeks
ya id say wsp is out. id say bob weir is out too. hes at 10klf and gotv. plus hes played roo without headlining already. hopefully phil will play roo. i know hes not touring but that dosent mean he cant play roo. he did make a date with all of us at the end of last years show. and scofields probably going to be there with medeski martin and wood (i hope) so we could get a reapeat of a killer show. ive got my fingers crossed.
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well with a lineup like they have this year i hope roos done "taking cues" from them. if you feel thats whats going on. but to call those fests bigger then roo is where my main problem is. with a lineup featuring fall out boy and my chemical romance on the mainstage i think its a fair to use the britney spears comparison. i wasnt comparing pj to her. i was comparing this crappy ass pop mtv fest you say is bigger then roo to her. and implying that if you can headline that crap fest you could headline roo. and to compare pearl jams festival popularity and say they should headline along with radiohead, trey, the dead, wsp, or even tom petty, james brown, neil young, willie nelson, or bob dylan seems silly to me also. again i hhope pj plays but i cant see them headlining. mainstage before a headliner is where they belong. imo. and im pretty sure thats the way it will work out. whoever said they should open for neil young hit the nail right on the head.
I meant taking cues as in the festival design, not the lineups. (See: massive genre stages, executing something of that magnitude in recent years, ancillary experiences like Silent Disco... etc.)
Although with the Police, Beck, Red Hot Chili Peppers and others headlining past Reading/Leeds... I dunno. As for those two being bigger-- they are two simultaneous, 80k festivals (each). That's pretty big. And let's throw Glastonbury in that as well, (150k) who has shared many of the same bands. All three big festivals featured acts like J5, MMJ, KOL, Secret Machines, Be Your Own Pet, The Streets, World Party, Ozo, Damien Rice, The Frames and more at the same time or before Roo did. Anyway... Again, the point being a bunch festivals focused on variety and "the experience" that are big. I'm not saying or even advocating that there is or should be cross-pollination, but just saying that Pearl Jam has headlined big festivals in the last year.
And let's get this cleared up: For half of the dates with Tom Petty last year, Tom opened for Pearl Jam. Neil Young has actually opened for PJ before as well (and vice versa- obviously more often). And MMJ- Roo's favorite son who many feel is close to being headline-worthy if not already- opened for PJ most of their dates last year. This isn't to suggest anyone should revere PJ over Tom or Neil, but you have to at least acknowledge the respect they deserve for putting on one of the most successful U.S. tours last year and the respect they garner from Neil, Tom and others...
Ugh. Cue one year later, after this massive tour and dozens of additional reasons PJ would be a natural and we're still having to explain relevancy. Meanwhile Widespread Panic can be a two-night headliner and there's no blinking.
Post by BrokenLight on Jan 2, 2007 22:30:26 GMT -5
i love widespread but have only been listening a couple years (wish i coulda been there for houser), my first show was actually sat in 2005 at roo, they are one of the best bands i've ever seen live, but they are headlining a lot of other festivals this year, do you think thats a clue that they might not be at roo, if they are there great if not i can live with it but if there not there give me some dead, cheese, and/or dave, i also want either csny or dylan, roger waters would be insane, i saw him last year and my ticket cost $130 for pavilion, so unless roger is okay with not getting 80,000 people to pay $130 just for him, he could be there, but i doubt it, ive never seen pearl jam, i keep hearing they'll be there, i just hope they don't headline, if there gonna headline anything it should be lolla or coachella, not roo
I first saw Widespread in 95- incredible show (Earth Day performance). But I was at Roo in '04 and just wished they would have had 3 headliners instead of giving ANY band two slots like that. As for Dave, I'm just Dave'd out. I was early on the Dave train- first seeing them in 1992, even opening for Toad the Wet Sprocket- and living in Virginia there was a while where it seemed like Dave was playing every other night somewhere in town. But I know he puts on a great show and would be a reliable pick.
PJ's already done Lolla (back when it still meant something). Coachella, who knows; they're as likely as Radiohead there (I guess). They aren't exactly the pop sensation types people are painting them on this board- that would be 1993 maybe, at the height of grunge, but any look at their extensive tour history, peers and the artists who respect them and you don't get the mainstream vibe at all.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Jan 3, 2007 5:29:06 GMT -5
For the people who havn't seen pearl jam and are saying they shouldnt headline, just get on youtube and look up some videos of their shows. They're a lot better then i expected, and i actually enjoy the new album a lot.
Sorry to say, but thinking back I don't think Panic playing other festivals has much of an impact on Bonnaroo. I think I read something in Relix about the 2005 Roo that said they booked WP something like 9 months before the festival. So they don't have a chance to wait until everyone else releases their lineup to see who to book that nobody else has got.
I hope to god WSP is not there this year. I don't mind repeat headliners (The Dead would be ideal to me), but I am sick of Panic at Bonnaroo. 2005 when they played two nights did it for me.