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So, we're finally getting a Brothers Past show at Bonnaroo, and Ironically it's the with one of these guys cited biggest influences, Radiohead. I've never had the oppurtunity to see them, but they really are pretty good for an up-and-comer in the jam scene. One thing jambands are typically noted for is mediocore songwriting beefed up with heavy jamming, and noodling, but not Brothers Past. They really have deep lyrics with great song-writing, much like Radiohead, but unlike Radiohead they extend the songs out like a jamband. Listening to them I hear a heavy 80s influence as well. They aren't your typical noodling-jamband.
If you haven't heard them yet, This Feeling's Called Goodbye is their new album. Pick it up. It's quite good.
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 23, 2006 18:45:41 GMT -5
i ahve only checked out their myspace site and i like what ive heard there. im gonna check em out a little more soon. im still hooked on listening to the codetalkers and that in turn has gotten me listening to aquarium rescue unit again so i have had a lot to listen to lately i have friends from the philly area that are all about these guys
anyone have any specific recommendations?
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Post by localoutdororganic on Apr 24, 2006 15:35:29 GMT -5
lucidinterval said:
"Typical noodling jamband" hehe thats funny... What are some anyway?
sci....they have some "from a box riffs" espicially nershi, those just turn me off
bisco can noodle like no ones bussiness...but I have heard them play tight too...
TAB.....in the dictionary next to noodlin...treys pic is there....hes damn good at guitar, don't get me wrong but he just sometimes more recently with the new TAB he just gets in these rut like grooves...
but brothers past is damn good.....not my style on the vocals...but its still very awesome...I'm plannin on seeing them
I've only heard a few tracks so far, but I really like the drummer and the way his (impressive) cymbal work is in the foreground of the mix (this is pretty atypical of jambands these days, and was always my favorite thing about '90s Dave Mathews stuff too).
As a fan of jam music I think of moe. when I think of typcial jamband noodling. I say this as a fan of moe. however. I really dig moe. most of the time and I will always catch them if they are playing within a couple hours of me but so many of their jams sound the same, to me at least. They just don't seem to take their songs in any new directions. Not really trying to bash them as I will still continue to listen to them and go to thier shows. Thats just who I think of when I hear "typical noodling".
Post by localoutdororganic on Apr 24, 2006 18:00:54 GMT -5
I've seen a few moe. shows that were in the day time that felt a little more like filler than a solid groove...but I do have to give it up to moe. they have really been bringing it lately and I can only see them getting tighter and funkier....I put a few really good shows up from moe. in a thread I made on here....the 06 music one....but yes, moe. would come to mind as well
but do you know what I mean about bill nershi going back to like his "plan b" riff or his back jam or whatever you may call it, but it got totally typical of the sci and kinda turned me off up to this point...
I saw moe. in Syracuse on this past tour and I had a blast. I actually liked it a lot more than a lot of the people over at the PT moe. board. It was the first I'd seen them since '04 and it totally got me into them again. All that aside I still got the noodly feeling I always get from them. It doesn't ruin the music or anything for me though. For me moe. is always a fun show. I know I'll have a good time when I go.
As far as the Bill Nershi thing I don't really listen to enough SCI to really tell. I've seen them 3 times now and I really didn't think they were all that great the first time, which was at 'Roo 04. Saw them again last summer and a full 2 set show in Ithaca NY. I liked those shows a ton more and had a blast at them. I thought the playing was real good but not really something I'd listen to a lot on CD. To me it seems like a lot of SCI jams these days get really tranced out.
I downloaded a Brother's Past show from bt.etree.org. I've just re-opened it and I'm the only seeder so if anyone wants it jump on. All I ask is that if you do, stay on and seed for a while. The sound quality of this recording is crazy good. bt.etree.org/details.php?id=23685
Post by Lucid Interval on Apr 25, 2006 0:19:36 GMT -5
SCI Bisco and Trey "typical noodling"??? Wow.... I guess i have alot to learn
I talked to some kid last night about SCI, he was a giutarist and a fan of bluegrass and whatnot but obviously not so much into jam/improv stuff, he said. "SCI is great, but they'll have this nice upbeat groove going on and fifteen minutes later its the 3rd electric mandolin solo and I'm thinking 'i could have heard 3 good tunes in this time'"
Some people just dont want to hang on for a 10-30 minute song, others seek it out....
I myself like jams that get so out there that i pretty much forget what song im listening to alltogether untill they bring it back around and everyone in the crowd seems to kind of wake up again at that one moment... Thats what its about for me...
Post by futurecowboy on Apr 25, 2006 12:35:45 GMT -5
Lucid - I gotta go w/ local on this one, but my opinions have changed over time. I used to be a lot more accepting of all types of jam bands, but I've gotten more discerning (or less accepting, in all fairness) lately. I dig moe., and I think the Duo is one of the best touring bands in the country right now, but I think SCI goes nowhere most of the time. As always, this is just my opinion. This is the case with a lot of what Trey is doing now, but he occassionally whips something like the monstrous 46 Days from Asheville late last year that is so nasty you can smell it.
Essentially, Phish totally spoiled my notion of jamming. Since they stopped, I've become less and less accepting of jam music in general, and don't listen to much anymore. I'm listening to more experimental electronics and old funk now. Part of it is my preferences shifting as I get older, for sure. And part of it is me being bitter about Phish, I'm sure.
Post by localoutdororganic on Apr 25, 2006 13:06:47 GMT -5
yeah, I love some spacey jams, 20 minute long makisupa policeman that just hangs there...thats cool...but what I mean is like....instead of being tight explosive space that really envelopes every cell of every fiber its more like from a box like structured but still not very good....like kinda like "blah" and yes, the new trey band does the blah thing well.....so many people on stage and trey kinda like does that...you know lip bit thing...and just ding ding chingy chingy la la la's into shine and the crowd is just acting like its the craziest thing ever...or when the new tab covers first tube...just not good...yeah, string cheese has definately beeen getting into a more trance mode....they did some shows and japan and didn't come back the same for the better. sci's 04 is exactly what I mean by not good cheese.....but when they play back to back...i.e ithaca they are usually bound to get you somewhere in the groove. I'll post some downloadable and streamable brothers past shows after a bowl a or two....later guys
Post by localoutdororganic on Apr 25, 2006 13:13:07 GMT -5
futurecowboy said:
Essentially, Phish totally spoiled my notion of jamming. Since they stopped, I've become less and less accepting of jam music in general, and don't listen to much anymore. I'm listening to more experimental electronics and old funk now. Part of it is my preferences shifting as I get older, for sure. And part of it is me being bitter about Phish, I'm sure.
to an extent I agree....I was spoiled by phish..and I loved it...like od'in on dark chocolate....but I am not less excepting of jambands now...more like....more excepting but at the same time ALMOST hyper critical....most often when listening to recordings...its easy to get lost in the energy of a show but like on tape I really nitpick...some say its bad...but my friends understand that its just my subconcious quality control filter working on my ears....insuring I play good music in there presence. I would agree that my taste in music has shifted somewhat since the loss of 'the phish' to more like reggae, funk, rock, trance, electronica, and hip hop.....alll of the wonderful things phish had in there arsenal all wrapped up in 20 years of touring and talent....and I just find them in numerous band from different times...
I agree with the Phish thing but it kinda worked the opposite way for me. I really liked phish and still do. I probably appreciate them and respect them more than I really was into them though. I love so many Phish songs but in all honesty, for me, a lot of their stuff is hit or miss. I really didn't like a lot of the jamming they did. I always felt like I had to sift through a lot of stuff that never did much for me to find that jewel that totally got me off. I'll agree though that when you find some Phish that knocks your socks off there is absolutely nothing like it. There are so many jambands now, a lot of which are just horrible and stereotypical, but I've been able to find music that just totally fits my taste. Umphrey's McGee is a perfect example. They never go so far out that they lose me yet their shows are full of improv. The guitar dueling and harmonizing they do reminds me SO much of Iron Maiden and that just rocks my world. I use to love Maiden. I guess what I'm getting at is that Phish opened the door for me to a huge world of jambands and from there I've been able to decide which bands I can't stand and find ones that I absolutely love and are a perfect fit. I think thats why there isn't going to be a "next big thing" in the jamband world. People are always asking who the next Phish is going to be. I don't think there will be another "huge" band. I think there are going to be a lot of small dedicated fanbases and thats fine with me. When Phish was first getting huge people really didn't have so many choices in that genre of music.
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 25, 2006 13:58:38 GMT -5
i do see how some popel could say those things about moe and sci. or wsp. i still enjoy it alot. but i hate it when people use those bands to say that jam bands have gone stale. its like going back to that bag of doritos tat have been open next to the couch since 1990. sure they might be stale but that dosent mean doritos suck now. if that oldskool stuff isnt doing it for you anymore check out some of the newer jam stuff. someoneelse has already mentioned umphreys. tea leaf green is another excellent one. there is some jamband stuff out there that isnt just "noodling" but hey i still enjoy my oldskool jam as much as the new. but i do find myslef listening almost excluively to the new stuff unless a show is coming up for one of the older jammers. i am curious to see what the new wsp is all about. hopefully they freshen things up a bit.
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 25, 2006 14:00:16 GMT -5
and thanks for the links to the shows. i am definelty gonna check it out. i have never heard these guys other then checking out their myspace when they got announced and i was diggin that stuff. so im hoping this will be another wanna see on my list
Post by paranoidbot on Apr 25, 2006 14:21:47 GMT -5
Since Phish I too have been floating about checking out various new jamband sounds but I have to say Umphrey's has totally blown the rest away. They are the real deal IMO. Their noodling is clearly structured in their Jimmy Stewart's, so you geth that free form rock/jazz feel but it isn't endless indulgence like some of Trey's recent stuff. They work the crowd and they clearly have so much fun doing it that it's hard not to love them. They are the next link in the Dead / Phish evolution pattern if you ask me.
Pretty much, I would travel great distance and even follow a tour of Umphrey's if they did a solo summer tour like Phish circa '94-'96. No other current band would get me to follow them.
Post by paranoidbot on Apr 25, 2006 14:23:03 GMT -5
Yeah and to get back on topic, I've never heard Brothers Past so I'm gonna be checking out their Archives shows since a jam/radiohead combo sounds like heaven to me.
Post by futurecowboy on Apr 25, 2006 14:29:52 GMT -5
The stuff I've heard of Bros. Past sounds really promising - I'm planning to check them out if the sched. doesnt' screw me out of it.
I heard Umph at 'roo last year and wasn't too impressed. But I'd imagine their late-night part this year will be WAY crazier. Again, might check it out of scheduling permits.
I was at Langerado last month and found myself at the Umphrey's set. I started gettin bored and headed over to Burning Spear. Whoa, Burning Spear blew Ump out of the water. I'm not partial to either band and I've seen each one twice before, so I think I have a pretty objective opinion.
Perhaps the reggae was more suited to the Florida sun than their jamming.
Post by paranoidbot on Apr 25, 2006 14:54:29 GMT -5
I was at Langerado too and agree their day set was just ok. But the late night set in Ft Lauderdale was great! A three hour+ 2 set show. I think their day show was blah becasue of the set-up at the festival (not a great layout imo with too many stages all facing the same general direction) plus they had done a long late night set in Chicago the night before, flew in to south Florida and had to do a festival set in blazing heat. They seemed to have their stuff together for the late night.
Disco Biscuits had a great show too after sundown at the Langerado grounds. I didn't see their Ft Lauderdale night show.