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I'm pro-choice, pro legalize marijuana, for reducing oil dependency and increasing solar/wind power, for marriage equality and civil rights, pro Affordable Care Act, anti-war, anti-death penalty, for some business restrictions, for the separation of church/state, for Social Security and Welfare, against the Patriot Act and I'm the most right leaning person yet.
The left/right axis on that graph was the economic scale. Some of the things you mentioned here have an economic element, but most of them are social issues, and you landed in a pretty similar position to most everybody else on the authoritarian/libertarian axis, which was the more socially-oriented scale.
I lean libertarian but I tend to vote Independent because I like Democrats for social issues and Republicans for economic issues. I voted mixed ticket the past two elections. New Hampshire is great because both our Republicans and Democrats are not as radical as national leaders. Live Free or Die is the best state motto by the way. It's so majestic and it's a threat!
You ever see those Free Staters?
No, I don't really get involved in things they have events for. It's pretty surprising they don't try to gather support from young students at UNH or Keene State. Interesting concept they have.
Post by disparatearies on Feb 9, 2015 14:35:20 GMT -5
Here's mine. Pretty much what I expected as well.
I vote primarily Democrat but will vote for the occasional Green candidate depending on the field and race. There have been a few Republican candidates with whom I'd be willing to have a beer and enjoy a conversation, but that's about the extent of it absent a radical change in their platform. I'm gay so clearly pro marriage equality. I'm pro-choice, but somewhat ambivalent on the subject of the death penalty while leaning towards being against it. I consider myself agnostic, but I'm by no means anti-religion. I simply have zero interest in religious dogma, but I do consider myself to be somewhat spiritual.
I have a distrust of large corporate entities and how much power they wield in this country. I've seen enough in my professional life to know that some regulation is absolutely in order, but I also want government & businesses to be willing to work together so that regulation can become more efficient for all parties. Pro legalization of marijuana and I think the personal use of other substances should be decriminalized. I consider myself a sex-positive person and hate the rampant sex-shaming that takes place in our culture.
Economic Left/Right: -6.0 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87
Pretty much what I expected. As a side note, Fuck corporations: lying about the keystone xl's promise at job creation, crippling our financial sector with misrepresentations on the the health of securities, denouncing big government when it comes to social programs but support it when it means waging unnecessary wars across the globe, attempting to control information through multi-tiered internet services....this is my first and last political rant on Inforoo....I apologize....back to Reddit.
So we have admitted Republican, one still in hiding, a couple libertarians. I'm guessing SFA is the communist.
Hello to all the fellow Greens and socialists on Inforoo.
haha. NO, I'm not a communist. My ideals put me more in the anarchism area of the graph, so that's what I selected. Having said that, I wouldn't label myself as such. I'm usually far to practical to believe my ideals have much real world application.
I got very similar to others. In the green (Your Political Compass- Economic Left/Right: -3.13; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69). When I took the "I side with...", I got Democrat 91% and Green Party 84%, Libertarians 82%, Constitution Party 72%, Republicans 58%. I am much more Green Party or Libertarian than Democrat IMO. Oh and I hate politics, but I like quizzes. Its pretty much the only reason I did this. I ALWAYS vote. I have only missed voting twice in my life.
I selected Independent. I generally like that the government stay out of my life unless it benefits me in some way; then I'm all for it. I'm pro-drugs in my body and anti-live birth, and I think the death penalty isn't painful enough. I'm not a fan of large corporations, mostly because the people running them have more money than me. I'm mostly pro-immigration because burritos are fucking delicious, but it's an issue I go back and forth on because something something taxes. I'm a firm believer in global warming depending on how far away I am from the recycling bin, and I make sure that I vote every year that I feel like it.
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I'm going to cut to the chase and say I can't deny being a card-carrying Democrat, and hope some of you still read my rant below.
Want a soundbite take from me on American politics? Here: American Politics: "Coke or Pepsi?" Me: "Do you have Dr. Pepper?" ...dammit, I'm still thirsty.
Want a rant? I haven't been here for a while, and this thread caught my eye while I was looking for the General Political Thread. Read on.
Rant, Part I
I've been taking the Political Compass test annually since I first encountered it in 100-level Political Science out longitudinal curiosity, for about fifteen years now. This is where I stood when I took the test most recently:
Early college me, that 20 year old kid who took a bongload before going to vote for Ralph Nader, was at -8,-2 on the compass. Lingered in that idealist Lefty La La Land most of my early twenties. Even though Gore won Wisconsin, my spoiler candidate still arguably gave us W. That put a bit of a fear in me about continuing to vote third party.
There was a turning point in the middle of the last decade, 04-06, where I started to suck it up and hold my nose while voting for the Democrat. Went back to school. A couple particular courses (including, of course - some economics) loosened that anchor and allowed some movement. It was consistent movement. Each year saw me go about two points inward from Left & one more point towards Libertarian. That drift worked its way to around (-2,-4.)
It's funny how some refer to universities as "liberal indoctrination centers." My personal university experience made me half as Left and twice as Libertarian.
So, in 2010, I was a year away from crossing the Left/Right line at (0,-5) and curious about what would happen at that point. It never got to that point. That was when Scott Walker was elected governor here, and the 2011 started off with his Act 10 and the uprising/recall/movement that ensued. My Political Compass test in 2011 was a two-point shove to the left. (-4,-4)ish. Stayed about that way in 2012 and 2013, too.
2014 actually saw my first noticeable leftward movement for the first time since then. I'm still comfortable hanging around in the middle of that Left-Libertarian quadrant... and, I notice, a lot of you are in close company.
Let's talk about that.
Rant, Part II There's a classic tracking question that's been in polls for decades now. "Is the country headed in the right or wrong direction?" That question is beautiful in that it's so vague while still having its finger on the pulse.
Here's where the compass lays out some recent-historical perspective. Let's take a look at our last three presidential elections (spoiler coded for space consideration) according to the compass.
I can't be the only one noticing a gradual shift towards the Right-Authoritarian extreme, can I? Among not only parties in general, but individuals there, as these progress?
Want to complain about... ...the President? ...a historically unpopular Congress? ...money corrupting our political process? ...that it all just stinks to high heaven?
Which way does it all seem to be going? Is this country heading in the right or wrong direction?
Makes perfect sense that so many of us responding are Generation Screwed and we're in the opposite quadrant from mainstream politics as they've been practiced in the generation(s) before us.
Conclusion, I guess? I like where I'm at in this Left-Libertarian quadrant. My position on this compass is essentially inverse to the center of American politics. The way I see things, if I (with a little help from my friends, of course) can manage to make that center of American politics meet me halfway... it will be right around (0,0) on this compass. A return to absolute centrism resulting in a fresh start? I'll be happy if I can achieve even that much in my lifetime. What's the point of having this compass anyway, if we're only going to play on a quarter of it?
I can't be the only one noticing a gradual shift towards the Right-Authoritarian extreme, can I? Among not only parties in general, but individuals there, as these progress?
Want to complain about... ...the President? ...a historically unpopular Congress? ...money corrupting our political process? ...that it all just stinks to high heaven?
Which way does it all seem to be going? Is this country heading in the right or wrong direction?
Makes perfect sense that so many of us responding are Generation Screwed and we're in the opposite quadrant from mainstream politics as they've been practiced in the generation(s) before us.
Conclusion, I guess? I like where I'm at in this Left-Libertarian quadrant. My position on this compass is essentially inverse to the center of American politics. The way I see things, if I (with a little help from my friends, of course) can manage to make that center of American politics meet me halfway... it will be right around (0,0) on this compass. A return to absolute centrism resulting in a fresh start? I'll be happy if I can achieve even that much in my lifetime. What's the point of having this compass anyway, if we're only going to play on a quarter of it?
I think the Political Compass map is inherently flawed, because in trying to show something more than just left/right/centre, it glosses over a lot of nuances and subtleties to reduce issues down to Yes/No/Maybe questions, which really isn't all that different. That kind of polarity is a big factor in the divisiveness of modern American politics, and if anything, Encouraging people to state their political stance in a single word only hinders their critical thinking skills on more complex issues. I don't necessarily endorse a return to absolute centrism, so much as I want to see the political arena return to using all corners of the grid. All that said, I agree with much of what you are saying.
I also want to know by what metric Mike Gravel was one of the most far-right candidates in '08. Granted, he did have a few batshit loco ideas like eliminating income tax altogether, but as best I can recall, he was anti-war, pro-healthcare, pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, anti-prohibition, and anti-death penalty... unless I'm missing something?
I think the Political Compass map is inherently flawed, because in trying to show something more than just left/right/centre, it glosses over a lot of nuances and subtleties to reduce issues down to Yes/No/Maybe questions, which really isn't all that different. That kind of polarity is a big factor in the divisiveness of modern American politics, and if anything, Encouraging people to state their political stance in a single word only hinders their critical thinking skills on more complex issues. I don't necessarily endorse a return to absolute centrism, so much as I want to see the political arena return to using all corners of the grid. All that said, I agree with much of what you are saying.
In the early 90s, they way this was taught in my junior high social studies merely had left/right/center with radical & reactionary at the extremes. Displayed by one horizontal line with five points on it. The compass is at least two-dimensional, so I'll give it some credit over how it was initially taught to me then.
I've also heard a similar compass-oriented line of thought recently too, based upon that same old left/right x-axis... but with income as the y-axis. Curious thought, but I'm not so sure it works quite the same. I think I still like an Authoritarian/Libertarian axis more than a Rich/Poor axis. At least both axes are politically oriented that way.
As for encouraging people to express their political identities in shorter ways... I'm not necessarily arguing that point, but I do think it's worth noting that this is increasingly the way our world works - politically or otherwise.
I also want to know by what metric Mike Gravel was one of the most far-right candidates in '08. Granted, he did have a few batshit loco ideas like eliminating income tax altogether, but as best I can recall, he was anti-war, pro-healthcare, pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, anti-prohibition, and anti-death penalty... unless I'm missing something?
Maybe because he came out of Alaska? I would imagine representing that particular state leaves a mark on your record. Plus, he was a bit of a "throwback" candidate. I'm sure a lot of issues Gravel was on the record about were either (1) plain old outdated by the time 2008 came around, and/or (2) in part because he was responsive to a unique Alaskan electorate. Have to admit, American politicians even being in that right-libertarian quadrant is a bit of a rarity. I'm sure his views on issues like marriage and choice got him on the libertarian side of the line in the first place. I'd guess eliminating income tax altogether probably ran up his score rightward, as well.
I think the Political Compass map is inherently flawed, because in trying to show something more than just left/right/centre, it glosses over a lot of nuances and subtleties to reduce issues down to Yes/No/Maybe questions, which really isn't all that different. That kind of polarity is a big factor in the divisiveness of modern American politics, and if anything, Encouraging people to state their political stance in a single word only hinders their critical thinking skills on more complex issues. I don't necessarily endorse a return to absolute centrism, so much as I want to see the political arena return to using all corners of the grid. All that said, I agree with much of what you are saying.
In the early 90s, they way this was taught in my junior high social studies merely had left/right/center with radical & reactionary at the extremes. Displayed by one horizontal line with five points on it. The compass is at least two-dimensional, so I'll give it some credit over how it was initially taught to me then.
I've also heard a similar compass-oriented line of thought recently too, based upon that same old left/right x-axis... but with income as the y-axis. Curious thought, but I'm not so sure it works quite the same. I think I still like an Authoritarian/Libertarian axis more than a Rich/Poor axis. At least both axes are politically oriented that way.
As for encouraging people to express their political identities in shorter ways... I'm not necessarily arguing that point, but I do think it's worth noting that this is increasingly the way our world works - politically or otherwise.
I also want to know by what metric Mike Gravel was one of the most far-right candidates in '08. Granted, he did have a few batshit loco ideas like eliminating income tax altogether, but as best I can recall, he was anti-war, pro-healthcare, pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, anti-prohibition, and anti-death penalty... unless I'm missing something?
Maybe because he came out of Alaska? I would imagine representing that particular state leaves a mark on your record. Plus, he was a bit of a "throwback" candidate. I'm sure a lot of issues Gravel was on the record about were either (1) plain old outdated by the time 2008 came around, and/or (2) in part because he was responsive to a unique Alaskan electorate. Have to admit, American politicians even being in that right-libertarian quadrant is a bit of a rarity. I'm sure his views on issues like marriage and choice got him on the libertarian side of the line in the first place. I'd guess eliminating income tax altogether probably ran up his score rightward, as well.
I'm actually in favour of the political compass in theory, and would love to hear people refer to themselves in a more 2D way. I'll happily point out where I think I fall on the map, but I think the quiz itself undoes much of what the compass is trying to show. And yeah, things get a bit wonky when you add in a hypothetical economic axis, because no matter where you fall, e'rrybody likes money.
I guess it's just that mix of politics and psychology - there's the you, and there's the other, and it's always easier to state your own campaign platform when you can point a few fingers along the way.
I have to be honest, I haven't kept up with American politics quite as much as I used to since moving back here. I still take an interest as an American abroad, but it's more Obama v. Putin than Obama v. Republicans. In some ways it's been refreshing, in other ways Aussie politics has provided its own set of migraines to contend with... like our climate-change-denying, baby-non-kissing, deer-in-headlights-on-camera, suppository of all wisdom.
Tony, I'm told, is not actually a bad guy (long story short, my dad and uncles all know him personally to varying degrees) - but his leadership skills leave something to be desired. Oh well... next year's an election year both here and there, so it will be interesting (and/or depressing) to watch what unfolds in the arse end of the decade.
Your Political Compass Economic Left/Right: -9.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51
Your beliefs on Healthcare, Foreign Policy, Domestic Policy, the Environment, and Immigration side you mostly with Green Party. You are most concerned about Government Spending, GMO Labels, NSA Surveillance, Military Spending, and Death Penalty.
I tend to vote a split ticket but that has more to do with living in Texas then anything else. By that what I mean is I vote Libertarian for judges because they would be more likely to deal leniently with people brought in for drug charges then a Republican would.
Post by monkybunney on Feb 26, 2015 16:06:13 GMT -5
Well that was completely unsurprising and not very satisfying. I decided to take the test again and find out exactly what I am NOT by selecting the least correct answers & channeling uncle Ruckus. Well, that's not too surprising either but it was more fun! I generally avoid conversations about politics & religion (especially religion). The charts above point out pretty much exactly what I thought they would. I'm deffinitly to the left of the political spectrum. That being said I don't always vote that way. For instance in 2012 I switched my party affiliation from independent to Republican so that I could vote in the Republican primary. I did it for my own selfish entertainment. I just really REALLY wanted to see a presidential run by Rick Perry, it would have been equal parts horrible and hilarious!
EDIT: As far as the vote goes I'm gonna have to go with independent. There's a little something offered by every party in our selection that I agree with and a little something I'm not on board with at all.
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