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I commented on a photo Jenny Lewis added to IG and asked if she was going to Bonnaroo, and that if she didn't reply it means yes. Guess what? No reply. Jenny Lewis totally, 100% confirmed for addition
IDK why you'd want to be in the pit for something like Mau5. I'd much much rather be in the back where I can see the whole stage without looking up or side to side and have plenty of room to dance.
I did not say he can't mix (like your posted video) but he doesn't at his big shows. He has said recently though that he is interested in doing smaller shows instead of the big stadiums so he can mix live. I have nothing against press play dj's as I understand the reason for the light show.
For Porter Robinson. I still think the Zedd spot works. Zedd also has a large light show and it worked fine. That time block is when the sun is setting so it isn't that bright out.
There is a bigger issue here. As evident at Ultra this weekend, you have "DJs" who aren't even pressing play anymore. They are getting up there with equipment that isn't even plugged in or turned on, someone else (behind the scenes) is pressing play on a completely pre-recorded set and they are up there twisting knobs that don't control anything and dancing around. This is a big trend among some of the biggest DJ/producers of the world...deadmau5 excluded.
His point is that he is mixing live, but he doesn't have control to make a completely new and unique production on stage. That is, he is performing his songs and mixing them (even changing them in ways with live synths) but he can't just go off the grid with something completely new. It's almost impossible to do that with electronic music; you can't just make a drum beat, make a bass line, make a lead synth, etc...and hope it all works out. EDM is such an exact thing and the producer is solely responsible for making each and every part of the music by themselves. So he absolutely DOES mix at his shows.
I'll leave with this. You are getting a REAL performance from deadmau5. And he will be actually using his equipment to create the experience.
IDK why you'd want to be in the pit for something like Mau5. I'd much much rather be in the back where I can see the whole stage without looking up or side to side and have plenty of room to dance.
I did not say he can't mix (like your posted video) but he doesn't at his big shows. He has said recently though that he is interested in doing smaller shows instead of the big stadiums so he can mix live. I have nothing against press play dj's as I understand the reason for the light show.
For Porter Robinson. I still think the Zedd spot works. Zedd also has a large light show and it worked fine. That time block is when the sun is setting so it isn't that bright out.
There is a bigger issue here. As evident at Ultra this weekend, you have "DJs" who aren't even pressing play anymore. They are getting up there with equipment that isn't even plugged in or turned on, someone else (behind the scenes) is pressing play on a completely pre-recorded set and they are up there twisting knobs that don't control anything and dancing around. This is a big trend among some of the biggest DJ/producers of the world...deadmau5 excluded.
His point is that he is mixing live, but he doesn't have control to make a completely new and unique production on stage. That is, he is performing his songs and mixing them (even changing them in ways with live synths) but he can't just go off the grid with something completely new. It's almost impossible to do that with electronic music; you can't just make a drum beat, make a bass line, make a lead synth, etc...and hope it all works out. EDM is such an exact thing and the producer is solely responsible for making each and every part of the music by themselves. So he absolutely DOES mix at his shows.
I'll leave with this. You are getting a REAL performance from deadmau5. And he will be actually using his equipment to create the experience.
There is a bigger issue here. As evident at Ultra this weekend, you have "DJs" who aren't even pressing play anymore. They are getting up there with equipment that isn't even plugged in or turned on, someone else (behind the scenes) is pressing play on a completely pre-recorded set and they are up there twisting knobs that don't control anything and dancing around. This is a big trend among some of the biggest DJ/producers of the world...deadmau5 excluded.
His point is that he is mixing live, but he doesn't have control to make a completely new and unique production on stage. That is, he is performing his songs and mixing them (even changing them in ways with live synths) but he can't just go off the grid with something completely new. It's almost impossible to do that with electronic music; you can't just make a drum beat, make a bass line, make a lead synth, etc...and hope it all works out. EDM is such an exact thing and the producer is solely responsible for making each and every part of the music by themselves. So he absolutely DOES mix at his shows.
I'll leave with this. You are getting a REAL performance from deadmau5. And he will be actually using his equipment to create the experience.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Mar 30, 2015 13:08:57 GMT -5
It's probably already been mentioned here, but I just looked at Future Islands tour dates and they have nothing listed between June 7 at Free Press in Houston and the beginning of a European tour on June 18. I really wish Bonnaroo would add them. I suppose they may be taking some much needed R&R before jetting across the pond.
Post by medphysdave on Mar 30, 2015 16:05:41 GMT -5
Anyone heard anything about the X Ambassadors? I'd like to see them added. An interview from Feb. mentions they are playing Bonnaroo, but I don't see them on the list.
IDK why you'd want to be in the pit for something like Mau5. I'd much much rather be in the back where I can see the whole stage without looking up or side to side and have plenty of room to dance.
I did not say he can't mix (like your posted video) but he doesn't at his big shows. He has said recently though that he is interested in doing smaller shows instead of the big stadiums so he can mix live. I have nothing against press play dj's as I understand the reason for the light show.
For Porter Robinson. I still think the Zedd spot works. Zedd also has a large light show and it worked fine. That time block is when the sun is setting so it isn't that bright out.
There is a bigger issue here. As evident at Ultra this weekend, you have "DJs" who aren't even pressing play anymore. They are getting up there with equipment that isn't even plugged in or turned on, someone else (behind the scenes) is pressing play on a completely pre-recorded set and they are up there twisting knobs that don't control anything and dancing around. This is a big trend among some of the biggest DJ/producers of the world...deadmau5 excluded.
His point is that he is mixing live, but he doesn't have control to make a completely new and unique production on stage. That is, he is performing his songs and mixing them (even changing them in ways with live synths) but he can't just go off the grid with something completely new. It's almost impossible to do that with electronic music; you can't just make a drum beat, make a bass line, make a lead synth, etc...and hope it all works out. EDM is such an exact thing and the producer is solely responsible for making each and every part of the music by themselves. So he absolutely DOES mix at his shows.
I'll leave with this. You are getting a REAL performance from deadmau5. And he will be actually using his equipment to create the experience.
That's the thing about EDM that people don't get- as long as the show is a variation from the studio recordings, I don't give a fuck if he's mixing it "live" or mixed it to be different a few days before the show.
Most of the same empirical goals of live music are reached, and it's a fucking amazing time with the lightshows/crowd going nuts. Purists are silly, be pragmatic about your enjoyment of the show and you'll quickly not concern yourself with whether or not the DJ is just playing with plastic buttons
There is a bigger issue here. As evident at Ultra this weekend, you have "DJs" who aren't even pressing play anymore. They are getting up there with equipment that isn't even plugged in or turned on, someone else (behind the scenes) is pressing play on a completely pre-recorded set and they are up there twisting knobs that don't control anything and dancing around. This is a big trend among some of the biggest DJ/producers of the world...deadmau5 excluded.
His point is that he is mixing live, but he doesn't have control to make a completely new and unique production on stage. That is, he is performing his songs and mixing them (even changing them in ways with live synths) but he can't just go off the grid with something completely new. It's almost impossible to do that with electronic music; you can't just make a drum beat, make a bass line, make a lead synth, etc...and hope it all works out. EDM is such an exact thing and the producer is solely responsible for making each and every part of the music by themselves. So he absolutely DOES mix at his shows.
I'll leave with this. You are getting a REAL performance from deadmau5. And he will be actually using his equipment to create the experience.
That's the thing about EDM that people don't get- as long as the show is a variation from the studio recordings, I don't give a fuck if he's mixing it "live" or mixed it to be different a few days before the show.
Most of the same empirical goals of live music are reached, and it's a fucking amazing time with the lightshows/crowd going nuts. Purists are silly, be pragmatic about your enjoyment of the show and you'll quickly not concern yourself with whether or not the DJ is just playing with plastic buttons
If your above statement holds merit, why does said DJ / producer even need to be there? What is the nature of this performer relationship if the performer isnt performing? Ultimately the guy is putting a tape in a boombox and waving his hands around. Is this really worthy of a communal music experience. Is it a farce?
For someone who grew up watching guys work hard to learn to beat match, program a set and play out, or see guys work hard to buy gear, handle the drudging setup of equipment and manage potential disaster when things break / crash etc, seeing someone mail it in, particularly for something as simple to execute live as a DJ set is a shame.
Back in the day (prepare for old fart statement) we busted peoples balls for playing live off of a DAT ala Crystal Method, etc. These days people cant be bothered to count to 4, 8, 16, 32 and use a god damn pitch control and thats a fucking pussy move IMHO.
You are welcome to be happy with this "nevermind the man behind the curtain" music experience, I'll be over here focused on whats authentic.
That's the thing about EDM that people don't get- as long as the show is a variation from the studio recordings, I don't give a fuck if he's mixing it "live" or mixed it to be different a few days before the show.
Most of the same empirical goals of live music are reached, and it's a fucking amazing time with the lightshows/crowd going nuts. Purists are silly, be pragmatic about your enjoyment of the show and you'll quickly not concern yourself with whether or not the DJ is just playing with plastic buttons
If your above statement holds merit, why does said DJ / producer even need to be there? What is the nature of this performer relationship if the performer isnt performing? Ultimately the guy is putting a tape in a boombox and waving his hands around. Is this really worthy of a communal music experience. Is it a farce?
For someone who grew up watching guys work hard to learn to beat match, program a set and play out, or see guys work hard to buy gear, handle the drudging setup of equipment and manage potential disaster when things break / crash etc, seeing someone mail it in, particularly for something as simple to execute live as a DJ set is a shame.
Back in the day (prepare for old fart statement) we busted peoples balls for playing live off of a DAT ala Crystal Method, etc. These days people cant be bothered to count to 4, 8, 16, 32 and use a god damn pitch control and thats a fucking pussy move IMHO.
You are welcome to be happy with this "nevermind the man behind the curtain" music experience, I'll be over here focused on whats authentic.
That's the thing about EDM that people don't get- as long as the show is a variation from the studio recordings, I don't give a fuck if he's mixing it "live" or mixed it to be different a few days before the show.
Most of the same empirical goals of live music are reached, and it's a fucking amazing time with the lightshows/crowd going nuts. Purists are silly, be pragmatic about your enjoyment of the show and you'll quickly not concern yourself with whether or not the DJ is just playing with plastic buttons
If your above statement holds merit, why does said DJ / producer even need to be there? What is the nature of this performer relationship if the performer isnt performing? Ultimately the guy is putting a tape in a boombox and waving his hands around. Is this really worthy of a communal music experience. Is it a farce?
For someone who grew up watching guys work hard to learn to beat match, program a set and play out, or see guys work hard to buy gear, handle the drudging setup of equipment and manage potential disaster when things break / crash etc, seeing someone mail it in, particularly for something as simple to execute live as a DJ set is a shame.
Back in the day (prepare for old fart statement) we busted peoples balls for playing live off of a DAT ala Crystal Method, etc. These days people cant be bothered to count to 4, 8, 16, 32 and use a god damn pitch control and thats a fucking pussy move IMHO.
You are welcome to be happy with this "nevermind the man behind the curtain" music experience, I'll be over here focused on whats authentic.
You're absolutely right. They should be performing their music. You can't fault DJs, or I should say people who actually do something with the music they play (actually mixing, utilizing effects or synths, etc), for taking advantage of advancements in technology. Artists from virtually any genre have enjoyed what technology brings to their music.
My point before was someone like deadmau5, a guy who actually does mix on stage, has a right to have the fuck you attitude towards people in his genre that fake it. Because honestly, why are they even faking it? To not risk a simple imperfection during a set? It makes no sense.
I don't think Bonnaroo has booked a single one of these acts to date. And there is a reason for that. I don't think the EDM fans (myself included) like these acts; they just wouldn't be well received.
It takes talent to produce electronic music, a lot of it. It also takes talent to DJ. Some of these pop star EDM acts don't want to risk perfect shows by going off the cuff.
And yes, the fans of these artists don't care. They want to hear the anthems and fist pump. It's MTV culture. And real EDM fans get it... They know who is real and who is a fake piece of shit.
One I'm really hoping for is for a Bonnaroo to book Gov't. Mule to come do Darkside of the Mule as our final latenight addition on Saturday. They're touring steadily through April and May and then doing Mountain Jam in New York (one show of which will a Darkside show) the weekend before Bonnaroo and then they don't have another announced show until September
Post by Jake Jortles on Mar 30, 2015 23:21:45 GMT -5
They should announce the schedule with a few slots labeled as artist additions like our mocks do. Depending on the prestige of the empty slots it'd be a nice way to get people excited and build hype.... or at least give us hope the lineup will get a little better.
They should announce the schedule with a few slots labeled as artist additions like our mocks do. Depending on the prestige of the empty slots it'd be a nice way to get people excited and build hype.... or at least give us hope the lineup will get a little better.
It would be good and bad because, yes, people could look at slots and get excited about who might get those BUT if they released the schedule in this way, it would reveal the conflicts. So, say there was a point in the schedule where your most anticipated artist was playing and you had no conflicting artists you wanted to see but there was an open slot that said TBA, you would be all excited but you really could get fucked over when they add that artist and it turns out that now your #1 and #2 are playing at the same time. It makes that addition pointless and the lineup doesn't become any more enticing to you.
But, if you just release the artist additions without a schedule, people are far more likely to get all excited and buy a ticket because they don't know what the conflicts will be and, due to our tendency to be optimistic, will not take into account that many of those artists could be conflicting. So, in conclusion, your idea for releasing the lineup with TBA slots is a great to idea TO GET PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE TICKETS excited, but, honestly/sadly, that is not a huge concern for them because they already have our money.
I have a feeling that we could be getting Future Islands, who just extended their tour. They're in Houston on June 7th and then in London on June 18th. That's a nice little gap to fly into Roo whatever day they perform and then get some rest in London around the date of that show (they also have a gap after that, so I assume they'll be at Glastonbury and some other places in Europe before playing Spain in July). A major chunk of their dates is Festivals; I don't know whether doing some of the dates rules them out, but I just came to point out the schedule gap.
I'm still going to hold out hope for Yeasayer. They're apparently mixing after wrapping up their album recording at the end of February. I know it's a longshot but I would give my left nut to have them play Saturday.
I might go and check out bands that have gaps in their tour. I know Weezer do and they were supposed to be on the schedule in the first place. The Free Press Summer Fest seems like a great place to scavenge for possible adds, now that I'm looking at it. Plenty of bands that are already on the Roo lineup. Possible adds from that:
Weezer, The Decemberists, Band of Horses, Major Lazer, Steve Angello, Yung Lean, Rocket From The Crypt, Band of Heathens, The Mountain Goats, Grizfolk, Bright Light Social Tour, Pentagram, Ben Kweller, The Tontons
I also see IloveMakkonen and RL Grime there and I thought those were confirmed as well. Maybe they just pulled back announcing them for some reason?
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I have a feeling that we could be getting Future Islands, who just extended their tour. They're in Houston on June 7th and then in London on June 18th. That's a nice little gap to fly into Roo whatever day they perform and then get some rest in London around the date of that show (they also have a gap after that, so I assume they'll be at Glastonbury and some other places in Europe before playing Spain in July). A major chunk of their dates is Festivals; I don't know whether doing some of the dates rules them out, but I just came to point out the schedule gap.
I'm still going to hold out hope for Yeasayer. They're apparently mixing after wrapping up their album recording at the end of February. I know it's a longshot but I would give my left nut to have them play Saturday.
I might go and check out bands that have gaps in their tour. I know Weezer do and they were supposed to be on the schedule in the first place. The Free Press Summer Fest seems like a great place to scavenge for possible adds, now that I'm looking at it. Plenty of bands that are already on the Roo lineup. Possible adds from that:
Weezer, The Decemberists, Band of Horses, Major Lazer, Steve Angello, Yung Lean, Rocket From The Crypt, Band of Heathens, The Mountain Goats, Grizfolk, Bright Light Social Tour, Pentagram, Ben Kweller, The Tontons
I also see IloveMakkonen and RL Grime there and I thought those were confirmed as well. Maybe they just pulled back announcing them for some reason?
Give me The Decemberists and The Mountain Goats and I'll be at peace.
1/30: Cold War Kids
2/6: Cherub
4/22: The Mountain Goats
5/25: Laura Jane Grace "Killing Me Loudly"
5/31: The Decemberists
6/11-6/14: BONNAROO 2015
6/28: Against Me!
6/30: Against Me!
I know it's ridiculous to speculate on this but... the gap before their Nashville show:
Rolling Stones 2015 North American tour dates
May 24: Petco Park, San Diego
May 30: Ohio Stadium, Columbus, Ohio
June 3: TCF Bank Stadium, Minneapolis, Minnesota
June 6: AT&T Stadium, Arlington, Texas
June 9: Bobby Dodd Stadium, Atlanta, Georgia
June 12: Citrus Bowl Stadium, Orlando, Florida
June 17: LP Field, Nashville, Tennessee
June 20: Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
June 23: Marcus Amphitheatre, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
June 27: Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, Missouri
July 1: Carter-Finley Stadium, Raleigh, North Carolina
July 4: Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Indianapolis, Indiana
July 8: Comerica Park, Detroit, Michigan
July 11: Ralph Wilson Stadium, Buffalo, New York
July 15: Le Festival d'ete de Quebec, Quebec City
After they sell out their Nashville date they could announce something at Bonnaroo. Most of their gaps are three or four days, there is five before their Nashville show and they wouldn't have to worry about a stadium-level stage setup. Sunday would make the most sense from their standpoint but with Billy Joel locked in there, they could play Saturday night, pushing Mumford and Sons to preheadline.
Again, I acknowledge that it's unrealistic for many reasons but it sure would be fun in a year with possibly the weakest crop of headliners that the festival has had in years. It's fun to daydream in March about this stuff, anyways...
Ok, they seriously fucked me. Florida never gets shows and those mothefuckers finally decide to come to Orlando during Bonnaroo... I'm gonna end up spending the money to go to ATL to see them and stay the night before driving to roo the next day. IF I spend that money and then they announce that they are doing a show at bonnaroo, I'm gonna be pretty pissed...
i mean, ran, I know they won't play Bonnaroo but with my shitty luck, they'd find a way to make me angry about seeing them twice
Post by Dale Cooper on Mar 31, 2015 8:34:27 GMT -5
I might try and make Indianapolis on July 4th happen. Take some of the sadness away for not getting Grateful Dead tickets. But I'm gonna be broke already due to festival season. Really depends on ticket prices
I might try and make Indianapolis on July 4th happen. Take some of the sadness away for not getting Grateful Dead tickets. But I'm gonna be broke already due to festival season. Really depends on ticket prices
1/30: Cold War Kids
2/6: Cherub
4/22: The Mountain Goats
5/25: Laura Jane Grace "Killing Me Loudly"
5/31: The Decemberists
6/11-6/14: BONNAROO 2015
6/28: Against Me!
6/30: Against Me!
I might try and make Indianapolis on July 4th happen. Take some of the sadness away for not getting Grateful Dead tickets. But I'm gonna be broke already due to festival season. Really depends on ticket prices
First-world problems?
Oh for sure. God it sure sucks to have to juggle two festivals with a Rolling Stones show this summer. #fml
That's the thing about EDM that people don't get- as long as the show is a variation from the studio recordings, I don't give a fuck if he's mixing it "live" or mixed it to be different a few days before the show.
Most of the same empirical goals of live music are reached, and it's a fucking amazing time with the lightshows/crowd going nuts. Purists are silly, be pragmatic about your enjoyment of the show and you'll quickly not concern yourself with whether or not the DJ is just playing with plastic buttons
If your above statement holds merit, why does said DJ / producer even need to be there? What is the nature of this performer relationship if the performer isnt performing? Ultimately the guy is putting a tape in a boombox and waving his hands around. Is this really worthy of a communal music experience. Is it a farce?
For someone who grew up watching guys work hard to learn to beat match, program a set and play out, or see guys work hard to buy gear, handle the drudging setup of equipment and manage potential disaster when things break / crash etc, seeing someone mail it in, particularly for something as simple to execute live as a DJ set is a shame.
Back in the day (prepare for old fart statement) we busted peoples balls for playing live off of a DAT ala Crystal Method, etc. These days people cant be bothered to count to 4, 8, 16, 32 and use a god damn pitch control and thats a fucking pussy move IMHO.
You are welcome to be happy with this "nevermind the man behind the curtain" music experience, I'll be over here focused on whats authentic.
This probably should be in a different thread, but my final point will be on topic.
-The reason the DJ needs to be there is to jump around and get the crowd involved, and it is his music at the end of the day, he just worked on it a day, week, month before the set. still him though
-Sorry if I don't consider the hard work in my enjoyment of a show. It's a show! if the show is great, I don't care about the significance of the work.
-Authentic is just a relative term. For me, authentic means not a carbon copy of the studio recording.
As far as artist additions go, GRiZ makes perfect sense. He brings the energy, his style is fresh and he plays sax/guitar live along with his DJ set. He's up and coming and dropped a new album today.
If your above statement holds merit, why does said DJ / producer even need to be there? What is the nature of this performer relationship if the performer isnt performing? Ultimately the guy is putting a tape in a boombox and waving his hands around. Is this really worthy of a communal music experience. Is it a farce?
For someone who grew up watching guys work hard to learn to beat match, program a set and play out, or see guys work hard to buy gear, handle the drudging setup of equipment and manage potential disaster when things break / crash etc, seeing someone mail it in, particularly for something as simple to execute live as a DJ set is a shame.
Back in the day (prepare for old fart statement) we busted peoples balls for playing live off of a DAT ala Crystal Method, etc. These days people cant be bothered to count to 4, 8, 16, 32 and use a god damn pitch control and thats a fucking pussy move IMHO.
You are welcome to be happy with this "nevermind the man behind the curtain" music experience, I'll be over here focused on whats authentic.
This probably should be in a different thread, but my final point will be on topic.
-The reason the DJ needs to be there is to jump around and get the crowd involved, and it is his music at the end of the day, he just worked on it a day, week, month before the set. still him though
-Sorry if I don't consider the hard work in my enjoyment of a show. It's a show! if the show is great, I don't care about the significance of the work.
-Authentic is just a relative term. For me, authentic means not a carbon copy of the studio recording.
As far as artist additions go, GRiZ makes perfect sense. He brings the energy, his style is fresh and he plays sax/guitar live along with his DJ set. He's up and coming and dropped a new album today.
i agree with both of you. while there is a lot of talent in actual "live" mixing and/scratching that takes tons of skills and big time props to people that are good at it.
but yes the newer "producers" are at least playing their own stuff (some of them, won't get into that) because you just can't make this stuff live like it's created in the studio. I'll use martin garrix as the example, played %100 his own songs at ultra this weekend, %60 new material, so at least he's playing his own stuff that he put in the work to create. and yes, the other %40 is songs we've heard a million times, but stuff gets overplayed, it happens. look at radiohead creep, bored of that songs just out of the volume of times i've heard it.
that's my 2 cents
edit: maybe i'll get hate for this, but sure looks like fun to me personally
Post by shitstroll on Mar 31, 2015 10:57:38 GMT -5
I'm sure someone probably has mentioned Neutral Milk Hotel, but I don't recall and can't seem to find it now. Seems relatively plausible and I can't find any tour dates past June 11 (which, granted, is in California).
1/30: Cold War Kids
2/6: Cherub
4/22: The Mountain Goats
5/25: Laura Jane Grace "Killing Me Loudly"
5/31: The Decemberists
6/11-6/14: BONNAROO 2015
6/28: Against Me!
6/30: Against Me!