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It's funny watching the people with demonstrably terrible taste in music admitting that they don't like things that are great.
Bon Iver? BORING.
Twenty-one Pilots? BRING IT ON FUCKERS.
Radiohead? What's the big fucking deal?
Alabama Shakes? ITS A MUSIC REVOLUTION.
I'm finding myself consistently agreeing with almost everything you've said recently, and thus questioning so many things about myself as a person. It actually surprises me how universally well-liked the Shakes are around here. Disliking them seems to put me in the extreme inforoo minority.
I just need to ask those who have said that Bon Iver is boring, but then venerated other acts for their "good lyrics" and "depth" - have you really listened to his lyrics before? Remove all the lovely instrumentals and Justin's crazy unique voice, read the lyrics like poems and still almost cry.
I'm not trying to call people out, and this isn't an insult to you at alllll, Jaz, but your comment stuck out to me from a page or two ago. You talked about NMH's "spectacular (if at times admittedly near-impossible to grasp) lyrics and evocative imagery " (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on; NMH is fantastic), but that's entirely what Bon Iver's music comprises. Tons of beautiful imagery and really splendid lyrics.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
It's funny watching the people with demonstrably terrible taste in music admitting that they don't like things that are great.
Bon Iver? BORING.
Twenty-one Pilots? BRING IT ON FUCKERS.
Radiohead? What's the big fucking deal?
Alabama Shakes? ITS A MUSIC REVOLUTION.
I'm finding myself consistently agreeing with almost everything you've said recently, and thus questioning so many things about myself as a person. It actually surprises me how universally well-liked the Shakes are around here. Disliking them seems to put me in the extreme inforoo minority.
I just need to ask those who have said that Bon Iver is boring, but then venerated other acts for their "good lyrics" and "depth" - have you really listened to his lyrics before? Remove all the lovely instrumentals and Justin's crazy unique voice, read the lyrics like poems and still almost cry.
I'm not trying to call people out, and this isn't an insult to you at alllll, Jaz, but your comment stuck out to me from a page or two ago. You talked about NMH's "spectacular (if at times admittedly near-impossible to grasp) lyrics and evocative imagery " (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on; NMH is fantastic), but that's entirely what Bon Iver's music comprises. Tons of beautiful imagery and really splendid lyrics.
I think the difference for me is that I can actually understand what Jeff Mangum is saying when he sings. Between Justin's falsetto and the large amount of reverb he puts on his vocals, I find him pretty hard to understand a lot of the time. His music's very pretty, but it tends to just become background music for me whenever I put it on.
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I'm not trying to call people out, and this isn't an insult to you at alllll, Jaz, but your comment stuck out to me from a page or two ago. You talked about NMH's "spectacular (if at times admittedly near-impossible to grasp) lyrics and evocative imagery " (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on; NMH is fantastic), but that's entirely what Bon Iver's music comprises. Tons of beautiful imagery and really splendid lyrics.
It's funny that you mention Morrissey's vocals. I have a good friend who became infatuated with The Smiths in college, but I just couldn't get into them, and Morrissey's vocals was one of the biggest factors. Over time, my opinion of them has changed. I'm still not a huge fan, but I've come to really appreciate their impact on the indie/alternative genre, as well as the brilliantly clever juxtaposition of Johnny Marr's upbeat, jangly guitar with Morrissey's melancholy vocals and cynical lyrics.
You just put it into words better than I ever have.
But beyond just that intriguing juxtaposition you mentioned, its the fact that damn it they could write great songs! I think I roll my eyes a lot at newer "indie" bands that people lose their minds over, not because they don't have an interesting sound, but the songs themselves are forgettable. I listen to lots of these albums from newer bands that get fan or critical praise, and the music can be intriguing or even exciting, but the songs just aren't worth a shit.
I used to use the same argument for jambands several years ago. The jambands that made it to a certain level of success all are great improvisational musicians, but they all also have good songs. Phish, Panic, UM, moe., Cheese, all of these bands that at least reached theatre level success did so because they wrote what I consider to be objectively "good" songs (at least at some point in their career, and I know others would argue with me that certain jamband songs I believe are objectively good others would argue are not). Then there are a bunch of smaller jambands then can shred and whip a crowd into a frenzy, but the songs are lame. I guess my point is even in a genre that appears to focus more on the improvisational live experience than the studio, its still the quality of songwriting that is the best measure of success.
I'm finding myself consistently agreeing with almost everything you've said recently, and thus questioning so many things about myself as a person. It actually surprises me how universally well-liked the Shakes are around here. Disliking them seems to put me in the extreme inforoo minority.
I just need to ask those who have said that Bon Iver is boring, but then venerated other acts for their "good lyrics" and "depth" - have you really listened to his lyrics before? Remove all the lovely instrumentals and Justin's crazy unique voice, read the lyrics like poems and still almost cry.
I'm not trying to call people out, and this isn't an insult to you at alllll, Jaz, but your comment stuck out to me from a page or two ago. You talked about NMH's "spectacular (if at times admittedly near-impossible to grasp) lyrics and evocative imagery " (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on; NMH is fantastic), but that's entirely what Bon Iver's music comprises. Tons of beautiful imagery and really splendid lyrics.
I think the difference for me is that I can actually understand what Jeff Mangum is saying when he sings. Between Justin's falsetto and the large amount of reverb he puts on his vocals, I find him pretty hard to understand a lot of the time. His music's very pretty, but it tends to just become background music for me whenever I put it on.
That actually helps me understand a lot better then, thanks. I've definitely heard the criticism before that Justin's voice may be lovely but when you can't understand what he's saying, it is hard to connect, etc. I've read his lyrics alongside listening to the tracks enough that now I can hear the words quite easily, but I do get why people have this issue.
You're a Suf fan, doe. He receives that same criticism a lot, that it is too hard to hear what he's saying at times. Idk, I adore both so much and most lovers of one that I know are lovers of the other, so I'm intrigued by your take here.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I think the difference for me is that I can actually understand what Jeff Mangum is saying when he sings. Between Justin's falsetto and the large amount of reverb he puts on his vocals, I find him pretty hard to understand a lot of the time. His music's very pretty, but it tends to just become background music for me whenever I put it on.
That actually helps me understand a lot better then, thanks. I've definitely heard the criticism before that Justin's voice may be lovely but when you can't understand what he's saying, it is hard to connect, etc. I've read his lyrics alongside listening to the tracks enough that now I can hear the words quite easily, but I do get why people have this issue.
You're a Suf fan, doe. He receives that same criticism a lot, that it is too hard to hear what he's saying at times. Idk, I adore both so much and most lovers of one that I know are lovers of the other, so I'm intrigued by your take here.
I'm surprised Sufjan gets that same criticism. I think he enunciates his lyrics more precisely than most singers. His lyrics also come in more of a storytelling format than Bon Iver's, whch is more poetic and requires the listener to piece it together a bit more. I can appreciate that, but I haven't really taken the time to figure out what he's saying, derive the meaning, and then listen to it in the context of the music. Sufjan I can appreciate more on the fly.
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That actually helps me understand a lot better then, thanks. I've definitely heard the criticism before that Justin's voice may be lovely but when you can't understand what he's saying, it is hard to connect, etc. I've read his lyrics alongside listening to the tracks enough that now I can hear the words quite easily, but I do get why people have this issue.
You're a Suf fan, doe. He receives that same criticism a lot, that it is too hard to hear what he's saying at times. Idk, I adore both so much and most lovers of one that I know are lovers of the other, so I'm intrigued by your take here.
I'm surprised Sufjan gets that same criticism. I think he enunciates his lyrics more precisely than most singers. His lyrics also come in more of a storytelling format than Bon Iver's, whch is more poetic and requires the listener to piece it together a bit more. I can appreciate that, but I haven't really taken the time to figure out what he's saying, derive the meaning, and then listen to it in the context of the music. Sufjan I can appreciate more on the fly.
Depends which album we're discussing. He enunciates very well throughout Carrie and Lowell. However, some of the tracks from Age of Adz, and a handful from Illinois and Michigan, are quite hard to understand if you're not listening closely. Easier to understand than the majority of Justin's work though, yes.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by bigdaddydirtbag on Jul 8, 2015 11:28:18 GMT -5
Dont really get Daft Punk. I like when they are sampled and/or collaborated with, but alone, just not a fan. Don't think they are that good. Too repetitive.
Dont really get Daft Punk. I like when they are sampled and/or collaborated with, but alone, just not a fan. Don't think they are that good. Too repetitive.
What of their solo stuff have you listened to? Human After All can get pretty repetitive but I think a lot of the songs on Discovery are pretty dynamic.
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Dont really get Daft Punk. I like when they are sampled and/or collaborated with, but alone, just not a fan. Don't think they are that good. Too repetitive.
What of their solo stuff have you listened to? Human After All can get pretty repetitive but I think a lot of the songs on Discovery are pretty dynamic.
RAM, Discovery and Homework. Just really nothing appeals to me out of those.
"BigDaddyDirtbag:" Loves Kid Cudi and Tyler, the Creator; hates Daft Punk.
Am I allowed to like this or does my taste in music preclude me from having an opinion on anyone else's?
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If anything it would be Anthony Fantano. I stopped reading pitchfork a few months ago
Why would you stop reading Pitchfork? They're still arguably the best at what they do. And Fantano is such a giant tool that I can't believe anyone can stomach him. I've met him at events at my local record shop and he's so self-deluded it's beyond insane. If you want to try and out-hipster people at least start reading the fucking Quietus or something. Jesus.
So I checked out Quietus, and knowing you described it as hipster I figured their review of Muse's album would be good. It is.
Christ in Heaven, this is a f***ing atrocity of a f***ing album. Absolute, grade A, priceless f***ing horsewank! They should set up a special court in the f***ing Hague for it, next to the f***ing War Crimes one! You can actually f***ing sense the band getting shitter as the album progresses - Bellamy went into the studio to record Drones a man, and came out a f***ing boy - the sort of f***ing tortured, desperately self-important adolescent boy who spends his evenings with his head stuck out of his f***ing suburban window screaming "I HAVE A PENIS, TOO!" at the moon and beating his bare f***ing pigeon chest! Drones - an album made by stupid, pathetic c***s for stupid pathetic c***s!"
If anything it would be Anthony Fantano. I stopped reading pitchfork a few months ago
Why would you stop reading Pitchfork? They're still arguably the best at what they do. And Fantano is such a giant tool that I can't believe anyone can stomach him. I've met him at events at my local record shop and he's so self-deluded it's beyond insane. If you want to try and out-hipster people at least start reading the fucking Quietus or something. Jesus.
I still go to pitchfork for news, but do not read their reviews. I read this article about how pitchfork has deleted reviews that are shitty in retrospect and that annoyed me. I've never met Fantano so I can't judge him like that. I do wish he would've been serious about getting rid of that Cal Chuchesta schtik though. I think Fantano has good reviews for anything that's not popular. Like when he reviews a phoenix project or something I'll take it with a grain of salt.
My god that was such irritating writing. Why can't people just appreciate the music for what it is, instead of immediately ragging on it for not being what they think it should be? Get fucked.
Foo Fighters....I just don't get it. I've been to the shows other people have said have been the best ever. The blank stares into the crowd and the gum chewing. People connect with that shit?
Foo Fighters is one for me as well. I will be seeing them at ACL, but similarly with Pearl Jam, I'll probably only go watch because I feel like I should. Pearl Jam last year was fantastic live and though I wouldn't say I'm a big fan or anything (sorry PorchRadio) I can't say I don't like them. Like many have said, a live show can really change my mind on a band.
Why would you stop reading Pitchfork? They're still arguably the best at what they do. And Fantano is such a giant tool that I can't believe anyone can stomach him. I've met him at events at my local record shop and he's so self-deluded it's beyond insane. If you want to try and out-hipster people at least start reading the fucking Quietus or something. Jesus.
So I checked out Quietus, and knowing you described it as hipster I figured their review of Muse's album would be good. It is.
Christ in Heaven, this is a f***ing atrocity of a f***ing album. Absolute, grade A, priceless f***ing horsewank! They should set up a special court in the f***ing Hague for it, next to the f***ing War Crimes one! You can actually f***ing sense the band getting shitter as the album progresses - Bellamy went into the studio to record Drones a man, and came out a f***ing boy - the sort of f***ing tortured, desperately self-important adolescent boy who spends his evenings with his head stuck out of his f***ing suburban window screaming "I HAVE A PENIS, TOO!" at the moon and beating his bare f***ing pigeon chest! Drones - an album made by stupid, pathetic c***s for stupid pathetic c***s!"
Searched for something referencing Drones because I just listened to it, and this couldn't be more accurate. Melodramatic opera pop-rock.