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Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on May 6, 2013 14:05:58 GMT -5
I just bought a bag of Haribo Gold-Bears, as I sometimes do, and there was a new lady at the cash register who only charged me $1.50 instead of the usual $1.95. I did not correct her. Am I going to hell?
Since I'm morally ambiguous I guess I'll answer these for you:
Emoney's questions: - Maybe - Maybe - No - No - No
Horn's Questions: - Only if you use pictures of musicians you scarcely listen to in order to seem cool - Only if you touch yourself at night.
My questions:
- Can white people have dreadlocks? - Is it okay to listen to Skrillex if it will get me laid? - Is it okay to kill the person who told me dark brown shoes with charcoal pants would look okay?
Post by ShortieSensei on May 6, 2013 14:37:09 GMT -5
-Bribe the security guy to get into the pit? Maybe
-Sell a concert ticket for over face value? No
-Download a movie? No
-Listen to an amphitheater concert from the parking lot? No
-Use the DVR to fastforward through commercials? Hell no
-Use an unlicensed photo as your avatar? No
- Can white people have dreadlocks? Meh, some can pull it off but it's definitely not for everybody
- Is it okay to listen to Skrillex if it will get me laid? Absolutely not...I've never heard of someone getting laid off of Skrillex but to do so, you must have some skill lol
- Is it okay to kill the person who told me dark brown shoes with charcoal pants would look okay? Yes but you didn't hear it from me.
-Bribe the security guy to get into the pit? if there is room in the pit then you shouldn't need to bribe him. If there is no room in there why would you want in there?
-Sell a concert ticket for over face value? If you bought the ticket only to resell at a higher price then yes. You are a d-bag scalper. If you bought the ticket to go but then suddenly couldn't then selling at current market value is acceptable and expected like any other commodity.
-Download a movie? Yes, you don't taste test a movie like you do a album before buying.
-Listen to an amphitheater concert from the parking lot? Only wrong if you could afford tickets but chose not to pay for them. If you absolutely couldn't afford a ticket then acceptable. I would rather have a poor fan in the parking lot than no fan. When they get money they will support you.
-Use the DVR to fastforward through commercials? No, un-targeted advertisements like TV commercials are free reign for skipping.
- Can white people have dreadlocks? Yes, but outside of the 1 in 1 million chick that looks hot in them they shouldn't.
- Is it okay to listen to Skrillex if it will get me laid? Yes, but remember nothing good can come from anything that requires Skrillex
- Is it okay to kill the person who told me dark brown shoes with charcoal pants would look okay? Kill; no, mild beating with a sock full of bars of soap; Sure thing.
- Is it okay to kill the person who told me dark brown shoes with charcoal pants would look okay?
I wear brown and charcoal all the time, what's the issue? The shoes have black accents though ...
So do I, but I stayed at a friend's place last night and his shoes that I borrowed are light brown and I feel like the contrast is so much that the pants just look black next to the shoes.
I also have a brown belt that's really dark, which compounds matters.
Basically, I walked in this morning to my office and my boss just started laughing and doing the tequila dance around an invisible sombrero. I'm just happy I remembered to show up at work at all.
-Sell a concert ticket for over face value? If you bought the ticket only to resell at a higher price then yes. You are a d-bag scalper. If you bought the ticket to go but then suddenly couldn't then selling at current market value is acceptable and expected like any other commodity.
That market value wouldn't be inflated if it wasn't for those d-bag scalpers. If you're gonna be against scalping, you should sell your hard-to-get tickets for face, don't you think?
-Download a movie? Yes, you don't taste test a movie like you do a album before buying.
-Listen to an amphitheater concert from the parking lot? Only wrong if you could afford tickets but chose not to pay for them. If you absolutely couldn't afford a ticket then acceptable. I would rather have a poor fan in the parking lot than no fan. When they get money they will support you.
So it's OK to steal as long as you have a light wallet and good intentions? What about people who wouldn't be paying for movies regardless of whether they pirated or not?
-Sell a concert ticket for over face value? If you bought the ticket only to resell at a higher price then yes. You are a d-bag scalper. If you bought the ticket to go but then suddenly couldn't then selling at current market value is acceptable and expected like any other commodity.
That market value wouldn't be inflated if it wasn't for those d-bag scalpers.
This isn't really true in a pure supply-and-demand sense.
That market value wouldn't be inflated if it wasn't for those d-bag scalpers.
This isn't really true in a pure supply-and-demand sense.
It's true in a practical sense. Scalpers predict which shows they think they can profit off of, and they buy up as many tickets as they can, decreasing the supply. If they didn't exist, a lot more face value tickets would wind up in the hands of fans, and less people would be looking for extras.
-Sell a concert ticket for over face value? If you bought the ticket only to resell at a higher price then yes. You are a d-bag scalper. If you bought the ticket to go but then suddenly couldn't then selling at current market value is acceptable and expected like any other commodity.
That market value wouldn't be inflated if it wasn't for those d-bag scalpers. If you're gonna be against scalping, you should sell your hard-to-get tickets for face, don't you think?
No market value is about supply and demand. At any concert where the value goes above face there are more people wanting to go then there are available seats. Scalpers contribute to the problem by artificially inflating demand but even in a perfect world where there is no scalpers sold out shows (to patrons) would see ticket values above face as fans would compete for any available seat.
-Download a movie? Yes, you don't taste test a movie like you do a album before buying.
-Listen to an amphitheater concert from the parking lot? Only wrong if you could afford tickets but chose not to pay for them. If you absolutely couldn't afford a ticket then acceptable. I would rather have a poor fan in the parking lot than no fan. When they get money they will support you.
So it's OK to steal as long as you have a light wallet and good intentions? What about people who wouldn't be paying for movies regardless of whether they pirated or not?
A concert and movie are two different things entirely. Live music / merch are the primary way musicians get paid. Albums sells are gobbled up by labels. A dedicated fan who cant afford a ticket is still valuable because they are and always will be a potential revenue stream and if they enjoy a lot show they will likely really want to buy a ticket when they can. So as a artist I wouldn't want them kicked from the lot of a amp show. Lose there fandom and long term dollars. You want the most dedicated fans you can get and willing to sit in a parking lot and listen to shitty audio is pretty dedicated.
Movies on the other hand are primarily designed to be single time consumption. Even though there are DVD sales, redbox ect the big time money is in theatrical releases. There is little to no long term potential when someone scams a movie via download. There is no money derived from fandom or long term dedication to the content. So it is more directly theft as it unlikely to be any compensation from your consumption of the content ever.
Now, are we distinguishing from scalpers and civilians that scalp on the side occasionally?
Because as most of us realize, there are people who do this for a living, then there are regular guys like my friends who buy Justin Bieber tickets just so they can swindle tween girls into spending way-ay-ay-ay-AY too much of their parent's money.
You can eliminate the lifers, but you'll never eliminate the a-hole guys like my friends who take advantage (FINANCIALLY) of underage girls on the internet.
Post by monkybunney on May 6, 2013 15:13:42 GMT -5
I'll play
Emoney >> Nope - So long as it's an unsolicited bribe. I can't explain my logic but if the security guy is asking for bribes that seems kinda scummy. YES - Die in a fire scalper scum! Depends - Setting all forms of porn aside; if it's long OOP or extremely rare I think it's acceptable, I feel the same way about music. Nope - Not sure why this is a question. Nope - because fuck your dish soap.
Iamthehorn >> Probably - Definitely might be considered childish or petty. Nah - If it rang up for $1.50 and that's what the clerk collected from you I don't think that will lead to them getting in trouble.
flanzo >> Yes - Their is historic precedence for it before trustafarians & wooks Nope - I've listened and pretended to enjoy lots of really shitty music in an attempt to score. Perfectly acceptable. Maybe - I have a terrible sense of fashion so...
Is it OK to buy something at a yard sale that's been ridiculously under priced because the seller doesn't realize the value of what they got?
This isn't really true in a pure supply-and-demand sense.
It's true in a practical sense. Scalpers predict which shows they think they can profit off of, and they buy up as many tickets as they can, decreasing the supply. If they didn't exist, a lot more face value tickets would wind up in the hands of fans, and less people would be looking for extras.
The market value is greater that face value because the demand for tickets/good seats exceeds the supply. There are far fewer evil scalpers in the world than you imagine.
Now, are we distinguishing from scalpers and civilians that scalp on the side occasionally?
Because as most of us realize, there are people who do this for a living, then there are regular guys like my friends who buy Justin Bieber tickets just so they can swindle tween girls into spending way-ay-ay-ay-AY too much of their parent's money.
You can eliminate the lifers, but you'll never eliminate the a-hole guys like my friends who take advantage (FINANCIALLY) of underage girls on the internet.
I believe that being morally right/ wrong is derived from the intent. ( can you see me up here on very high horse )
Example:
Its morally wrong to buy them with the intention of scalping them. (moral compass: create fake demand and plan to profit from it via market manipulation)
It is not morally wrong to sell your radiohead tix for over face because your father died and now you cant go and there are tons of people offering you more than face for them. (moral compass: demand is already there and you did not intentional contribute to any fake demand and you benefit from it)
No market value is about supply and demand. At any concert where the value goes above face there are more people wanting to go then there are available seats. Scalpers contribute to the problem by artificially inflating demand but even in a perfect world where there is no scalpers sold out shows (to patrons) would see ticket values above face as fans would compete for any available seat.
So, prices are going to be inflated no matter what, but it's wrong to take note of that and take advantage of it? Sounds like capitalism to me...
A concert and movie are two different things entirely. Live music / merch are the primary way musicians get paid. Albums sells are gobbled up by labels. A dedicated fan who cant afford a ticket is still valuable because they are and always will be a potential revenue stream and if they enjoy a lot show they will likely really want to buy a ticket when they can. So as a artist I wouldn't want them kicked from the lot of a amp show. Lose there fandom and long term dollars. You want the most dedicated fans you can get and willing to sit in a parking lot and listen to shizzy audio is pretty dedicated.
Movies on the other hand are primarily designed to be single time consumption. Even though there are DVD sales, redbox ect the big time money is in theatrical releases. There is little to no long term potential when someone scams a movie via download. There is no money derived from fandom or long term dedication to the content. So it is more directly theft as it unlikely to be any compensation from your consumption of the content ever.
So, we're distinguishing levels of stealing based on the business model of the people being stolen from? Seems pretty arbitrary to me...
No market value is about supply and demand. At any concert where the value goes above face there are more people wanting to go then there are available seats. Scalpers contribute to the problem by artificially inflating demand but even in a perfect world where there is no scalpers sold out shows (to patrons) would see ticket values above face as fans would compete for any available seat.
So, prices are going to be inflated no matter what, but it's wrong to take note of that and take advantage of it? Sounds like capitalism to me...
A concert and movie are two different things entirely. Live music / merch are the primary way musicians get paid. Albums sells are gobbled up by labels. A dedicated fan who cant afford a ticket is still valuable because they are and always will be a potential revenue stream and if they enjoy a lot show they will likely really want to buy a ticket when they can. So as a artist I wouldn't want them kicked from the lot of a amp show. Lose there fandom and long term dollars. You want the most dedicated fans you can get and willing to sit in a parking lot and listen to shizzy audio is pretty dedicated.
Movies on the other hand are primarily designed to be single time consumption. Even though there are DVD sales, redbox ect the big time money is in theatrical releases. There is little to no long term potential when someone scams a movie via download. There is no money derived from fandom or long term dedication to the content. So it is more directly theft as it unlikely to be any compensation from your consumption of the content ever.
So, we're distinguishing levels of stealing based on the business model of the people being stolen from? Seems pretty arbitrary to me...
That's not what he said. It's all about how you feel about it.
It's true in a practical sense. Scalpers predict which shows they think they can profit off of, and they buy up as many tickets as they can, decreasing the supply. If they didn't exist, a lot more face value tickets would wind up in the hands of fans, and less people would be looking for extras.
The market value is greater that face value because the demand for tickets/good seats exceeds the supply. There are far fewer evil scalpers in the world than you imagine.
There's enough of them. I've been on their forums. There's a whole business model based on paying for people in China and India to do your captchas for you. There's $500 bots you can set up to buy big blocks of tickets. This sort of thing doesn't spring up just for a few evil geniuses
No market value is about supply and demand. At any concert where the value goes above face there are more people wanting to go then there are available seats. Scalpers contribute to the problem by artificially inflating demand but even in a perfect world where there is no scalpers sold out shows (to patrons) would see ticket values above face as fans would compete for any available seat.
So, prices are going to be inflated no matter what, but it's wrong to take note of that and take advantage of it? Sounds like capitalism to me...
A concert and movie are two different things entirely. Live music / merch are the primary way musicians get paid. Albums sells are gobbled up by labels. A dedicated fan who cant afford a ticket is still valuable because they are and always will be a potential revenue stream and if they enjoy a lot show they will likely really want to buy a ticket when they can. So as a artist I wouldn't want them kicked from the lot of a amp show. Lose there fandom and long term dollars. You want the most dedicated fans you can get and willing to sit in a parking lot and listen to shizzy audio is pretty dedicated.
Movies on the other hand are primarily designed to be single time consumption. Even though there are DVD sales, redbox ect the big time money is in theatrical releases. There is little to no long term potential when someone scams a movie via download. There is no money derived from fandom or long term dedication to the content. So it is more directly theft as it unlikely to be any compensation from your consumption of the content ever.
So, we're distinguishing levels of stealing based on the business model of the people being stolen from? Seems pretty arbitrary to me...
The question at hand is about morality of the issue not legality. Legality is black and white and morality is a billion shades of grey. There for any discussion of morality is going to be extremely arbitrary right?
The market value is greater that face value because the demand for tickets/good seats exceeds the supply. There are far fewer evil scalpers in the world than you imagine.
There's enough of them. I've been on their forums. There's a whole business model based on paying for people in China and India to do your captchas for you. There's $500 bots you can set up to buy big blocks of tickets. This sort of thing doesn't spring up just for a few evil geniuses
So, prices are going to be inflated no matter what, but it's wrong to take note of that and take advantage of it? Sounds like capitalism to me...
So, we're distinguishing levels of stealing based on the business model of the people being stolen from? Seems pretty arbitrary to me...
The question at hand is about morality of the issue not legality. Legality is black and white and morality is a billion shades of grey. There for any discussion of morality is going to be extremely arbitrary right?
Well, when you sell a ticket for more than face value do you report the earnings on your income taxes?