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Post by TRANTER INDUSTRIES on Dec 11, 2014 22:49:56 GMT -5
The good news is, a win clinches a playoff spot (given dallas doesn't tie) so Stanton has until the playoffs until hes needed. But it's no like a wildcard is anywhere near good enough. We need to get homefield to have a shot.
I'm feeling a lot of conflicting emotions right now. Part of me wants to still see the Saints in the playoffs and put another banner in the Dome for division champ. Another part of me wants a top ten draft pick.
The part of me that wants the Saints to make the playoffs wants to see Arizona as the 5 seed wild card team with Lindley as the QB. The part of me that wants a top ten draft pick wants to see Arizona take the division and keep Seattle from having a home game in the playoffs.
And there is another part of me that wants to go to the playoffs at 7-9 and take on Seattle as a wild card and come out with a miracle win the way they did the year after the Saints won the Super Bowl. And the other part of me knows that the Saints would get embarrassed at home and get knocked out of the playoffs by Seattle for the third time in five seasons.
I'm feeling a lot of conflicting emotions right now. Part of me wants to still see the Falcons in the playoffs and put another banner in the Dome for division champ. Another part of me wants a top ten draft pick.
Also, if you look at it from a "Do I want to finish first or second (or really third at this point)?" is next year's schedule. If you finish first in your division, you play all the other first place teams in the division from that year.
NFC South plays the NFC East and AFC South next year.
NFC South 1st place finisher will probably have to play: Green Bay and Arizona/Seattle. NFC South 2nd place finisher will probably have to play: Detroit and Arizona/Seattle. NFC South 3rd place finisher will probably have to play: Minnesota and San Francisco.
Finishing second and having Arizona finish second might also not be such a raw deal - Atlanta twice, Carolina twice, Tampa twice, Detroit, Arizona, NY Giants, Washington, Tennessee, Houston, and Jacksonville. The other three games would be Dallas, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis. Not the toughest of schedules
Also, if you look at it from a "Do I want to finish first or second (or really third at this point)?" is next year's schedule. If you finish first in your division, you play all the other first place teams in the division from that year.
NFC South plays the NFC East and AFC South next year.
NFC South 1st place finisher will probably have to play: Green Bay and Arizona/Seattle. NFC South 2nd place finisher will probably have to play: Detroit and Arizona/Seattle. NFC South 3rd place finisher will probably have to play: Minnesota and San Francisco.
Finishing second and having Arizona finish second might also not be such a raw deal - Atlanta twice, Carolina twice, Tampa twice, Detroit, Arizona, NY Giants, Washington, Tennessee, Houston, and Jacksonville. The other three games would be Dallas, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis. Not the toughest of schedules
You should probably refigure this for the NFC East instead of the NFC North.
Also, if you look at it from a "Do I want to finish first or second (or really third at this point)?" is next year's schedule. If you finish first in your division, you play all the other first place teams in the division from that year.
NFC South plays the NFC East and AFC South next year.
NFC South 1st place finisher will probably have to play: Green Bay and Arizona/Seattle. NFC South 2nd place finisher will probably have to play: Detroit and Arizona/Seattle. NFC South 3rd place finisher will probably have to play: Minnesota and San Francisco.
Finishing second and having Arizona finish second might also not be such a raw deal - Atlanta twice, Carolina twice, Tampa twice, Detroit, Arizona, NY Giants, Washington, Tennessee, Houston, and Jacksonville. The other three games would be Dallas, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis. Not the toughest of schedules
You should probably refigure this for the NFC East instead of the NFC North.
"Although the Cardinals have posted an impressive record against quality opposition, virtually all subtle indicators suggest they’re a decent team riding an impressive wave of luck. They’ve now won all three of their games decided by a touchdown or less, including a pair of games (San Diego and Kansas City) in which the other team fumbled at a crucial moment to drop its win expectancy. The Eagles game required a 75-yard touchdown on a colossal mistake in coverage and three stops inside the red zone in the final 1:33 to win it, the final stop coming on a catch that Jordan Matthews couldn’t keep in bounds. Those plays all count, but it takes only slightly worse luck at the end of games for Arizona’s record in tight contests to drop.
They’re a huge outlier given that point differential. Since 1990, there have been 93 teams that finished their first 13 games with a point differential between plus-25 and plus-50. The Cardinals sit almost exactly in the middle of that range at plus-37. Of those 93 teams, just two — these Cardinals and the 2006 Colts — started 10-3. The average team from that bunch won just 7.6 games, which is identical to Arizona’s Pythagorean Win figure."
"Although the Cardinals have posted an impressive record against quality opposition, virtually all subtle indicators suggest they’re a decent team riding an impressive wave of luck. They’ve now won all three of their games decided by a touchdown or less, including a pair of games (San Diego and Kansas City) in which the other team fumbled at a crucial moment to drop its win expectancy. The Eagles game required a 75-yard touchdown on a colossal mistake in coverage and three stops inside the red zone in the final 1:33 to win it, the final stop coming on a catch that Jordan Matthews couldn’t keep in bounds. Those plays all count, but it takes only slightly worse luck at the end of games for Arizona’s record in tight contests to drop.
They’re a huge outlier given that point differential. Since 1990, there have been 93 teams that finished their first 13 games with a point differential between plus-25 and plus-50. The Cardinals sit almost exactly in the middle of that range at plus-37. Of those 93 teams, just two — these Cardinals and the 2006 Colts — started 10-3. The average team from that bunch won just 7.6 games, which is identical to Arizona’s Pythagorean Win figure."
"Although the Cardinals have posted an impressive record against quality opposition, virtually all subtle indicators suggest they’re a decent team riding an impressive wave of luck. They’ve now won all three of their games decided by a touchdown or less, including a pair of games (San Diego and Kansas City) in which the other team fumbled at a crucial moment to drop its win expectancy. The Eagles game required a 75-yard touchdown on a colossal mistake in coverage and three stops inside the red zone in the final 1:33 to win it, the final stop coming on a catch that Jordan Matthews couldn’t keep in bounds. Those plays all count, but it takes only slightly worse luck at the end of games for Arizona’s record in tight contests to drop.
They’re a huge outlier given that point differential. Since 1990, there have been 93 teams that finished their first 13 games with a point differential between plus-25 and plus-50. The Cardinals sit almost exactly in the middle of that range at plus-37. Of those 93 teams, just two — these Cardinals and the 2006 Colts — started 10-3. The average team from that bunch won just 7.6 games, which is identical to Arizona’s Pythagorean Win figure."
That's pretty much exactly what Bill Barnwell is doing, yeah. That, and pointing out that their Pythagorean Win total indicates that they're a slightly above average team.
That's pretty much exactly what Bill Barnwell is doing, yeah. That, and pointing out that their Pythagorean Win total indicates that they're a slightly above average team.
Any given Sunday, yo. The cardinals have had an extensive list of injuries all year probably more than any other team, so it's really just a good bit of depth and great coaching. Especially in the fourth quarter when the defense either clinches it or wins it.
That's pretty much exactly what Bill Barnwell is doing, yeah. That, and pointing out that their Pythagorean Win total indicates that they're a slightly above average team.
Any given Sunday, yo. The cardinals have had an extensive list of injuries all year probably more than any other team, so it's really just a good bit of depth and great coaching. Especially in the fourth quarter when the defense either clinches it or wins it.
I'm certainly not going to take the time to compare and contrast the injury list for every team in the NFL this year to dispute your claim, so whatever, sure, they were more injured. But things like "great coaching" and "depth" really don't have anything to do with whether or not a team fumbles at a crucial moment. The Cardinals have a solid defense, a terrible offense, and have benefited greatly from some lucky bounces, which, to be fair, most teams wind up with during any "good" season. I don't think there's much question that they've overachieved given their expected win total, though.
Any given Sunday, yo. The cardinals have had an extensive list of injuries all year probably more than any other team, so it's really just a good bit of depth and great coaching. Especially in the fourth quarter when the defense either clinches it or wins it.
I'm certainly not going to take the time to compare and contrast the injury list for every team in the NFL this year to dispute your claim, so whatever, sure, they were more injured. But things like "great coaching" and "depth" really don't have anything to do with whether or not a team fumbles at a crucial moment. The Cardinals have a solid defense, a terrible offense, and have benefited greatly from some lucky bounces, which, to be fair, most teams wind up with during any "good" season. I don't think there's much question that they've overachieved given their expected win total, though.
I figured they would go 12-4 fully healthy since they were starting to hit their stride near the end of last year (especially palmer) but if you told me the injuries theyve had, I would've guessed 8-8 or something. Some of it has been luck but you have to remember to get in those positions in which a fumble wins the game, they would've had to have been competitive up until that point