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Single-game tickets for Tennessee Titans home games go on sale this morning. Most people intend to buy them online. Not David Cline. He's one of those people who camps out overnight every year to secure his spot. "I'll do this when I'm in my sixties," he says. This year, Cline was the only overnight camper outside LP Field.
Stephanie Langston of WKRN-TV went to the stadium today to do a report on the ticket sales. Cline, who got to the stadium yesterday morning, is still asleep on the pavement when Langston approaches. This is live TV, and it clearly isn't staged. [Update: Video of the interview has been removed from YouTube. You can now watch by going to WKRN's site here.] Cline, a good sport, stands up and groggily answers all of Langston's questions. He's hoping to buy just one ticket for one game. Langston asks him if he's ever heard of the internet. "I don't have a credit card," Cline replies. Man, what a sad interview.
It wouldn't surprise me if any of these teams make the playoffs. All have a realistic shot. The AFC seems to be pretty clear cut. I was having trouble picking my WC slots for the AFC because the remaining teams I had left were just not that good. It was more of who is worse not who is better.
I am absolutely loving this. Rex has completely and utterly failed to develop an offense, and he's had a full four seasons to do it. If he was a good head coach, wouldn't the Jets be improving in certain phases of the game? But no, the offense, defense, and special teams were all at their worst last year. This isn't fantasy football, tough guy. The Jets are a disgrace. Yet you credit Rex with all the good things, and omit the horrendous showings (Thanksgiving 2012 ring a bell?) that he could have prevented. No good head coach would ever let things go that far. Rex is a great defensive coordinator who happens to be in over his head.
As much as you enjoy coming on this board and pumping your own tires 6 hours a day, please understand the rest of us are living in a world where Wilkerson is not a top 15 player and where you're just another Fireman Ed with a keyboard.
Again, this isn't fantasy football. Wilkerson's very good and might not get the publicity he should, but everything you're saying is way overblown. Did he even make the NFL Top 100? No idea. If he did, I'd love to see where he's ranked... I bet you'll argue NFL players aren't a credible source though.
Stop acting like you know how to grade a player's performance when you're literally clueless. If I heard you talking in public I would honestly cross the street to get the hell away from you. You don't know a f*cking thing about Wilkerson, you just latched on to him because he's a young Jet and you heard from someone else that he's exceeding expectations.
Every statement you make on this board gives me summers breeze chills.
Hey sh*td*ck, put your posts in spoilers so everyone doesn't have to trudge through this idiotic argument.
The defense being "at it's worst" was 8th in the league, compared to 1st, 3rd and 5th the three years prior. What a horror show. I still don't understand what Rex could have done to prevent Sanchez from sucking with the team he had. Tebow sucks even more, he eventually benched Mark for the other sh*tty backup they had, and he sucked too. He was a head coach with three sh*tty QBs on the roster, but how is that on him? He doesn't acquire the players, he just coaches the team he has. Are you saying he should've benched Sanchez earlier?
I love how you think he's not a head coach. He's 8 games above .500 in his 4 year career (which, again, is better than Belichick's first four years as a head coach, so to say Rex isn't a head coach is just silly).
Well, unless you play IDP, Wilkerson has no fantasy value. Wilkerson is elite. That is not debatable, but what is is his standing in the upper-echelon of NFL defensive players. The NFL Top 100 is voted on by players, many of whom haven't even played Wilkerson before. That poll is not very meaningful (Geno Atkins being 36th is horrendous, for eexample), so you're referencing yet another poll or team that doesn't carry weight in the discussion.
I actually do know how to grade a player's performance. It may shock you, but I've watched games (non-Jets games, even!) and graded out the players on defense for both teams. I don't even know how to respond to your Wilkerson attack. I don't know anything about the guy? According to what? Grow up, jesus f*ckchrist. I root for him because he's a good guy, a great football player and plays a role that is one of my favorites on a football field. I don't know why I have to justify my fandom of a player on my favorite team, but I guess this is just another one of life's little surprises. I'll ask again, where the f*ck is your animosity coming from? Besides this discussion, which you're clearly f*cking clueless on, when have we ever gotten into a disagreement? It's embarrassing watching you get so petty, though.
It gets better. "Flanzo" (self-given nickname, nice) thinks he's capable of accurately grading the performance of an NFL lineman. I'll pass on the spoilers for now, this is way too good. So you pay a little extra attention to the scouting section of National Football Post, and now you're a pro. Okay, let's work with that.
The defense was 8th in the league in total defense, which is what you're talking about, because it's a meaningless stat. Pittsburgh led the league in that category, but nobody in their right mind would even mention them in a conversation about last year's best defenses. How about some statistics that matter? I can almost guarantee the Jets defense was in the bottom third of the league in points per game. Who led the league in that category? The Seahawks, followed by the 49ers. The two best defenses in the NFL last year. Total defense is a useless stat because it pays no attention to - what do you scouts call it? Oh yeah - situational football.
You keep blaming Rex's failures on his quarterback play, but there's plenty of ways to quantify his performance as a head coach. Probably the most telling regular season stat is Takeaways/Giveaways. This is my favorite, because it's a snapshot of Belichick's brilliance and Rex's mediocrity. In 2012, the Pats were a +25 and the Jets were a... wait for it... -14! Lower than Chan Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick, who I had assumed were the turnover tag team champions. I mean, even Brandon Weeden and Pat Shurmur managed a solid +3. I'll say it again: If Rex Ryan wasn't grabbing headlines, he would be fired without a doubt. Nobody keeps their job in the NFL after a -14 turnover differential pops up on the boss's desk.
You don't have to justify your fandom, you just have a bad habit of relaying your opinions as facts because you're a blowhard. I've latched on to players the same way (Hightower, Vereen, and Russell Wilson after that Senior Bowl he dominated), however if you're telling me your affection for Wilkerson is based not entirely on the laundry he wears, but on the "grade" you personally gave him... I'd sit here in shock for a minute, then burst into laughter.
We've had a little back-and-forth here and there, but no major disagreements. From my perspective, you just do a lot of chest-thumping, and you get extra defensive (see above) when you're flat-out wrong about something (Muhammed Wilkerson being a top-15 player in the NFL, Rex Ryan not being to blame for pathetic lack of offense after 4 years in head coaching role, undeserved and delusional sense of football scouting prowess, etc). We can probably call it here, because this argument is going nowhere fast. Get well soon, Inforoo's own little Fireman Ed.
It gets better. "Flanzo" (self-given nickname, nice) thinks he's capable of accurately grading the performance of an NFL lineman. I'll pass on the spoilers for now, this is way too good. So you pay a little extra attention to the scouting section of National Football Post, and now you're a pro. Okay, let's work with that.
The defense was 8th in the league in total defense, which is what you're talking about, because it's a meaningless stat. Pittsburgh led the league in that category, but nobody in their right mind would even mention them in a conversation about last year's best defenses. How about some statistics that matter? I can almost guarantee the Jets defense was in the bottom third of the league in points per game. Who led the league in that category? The Seahawks, followed by the 49ers. The two best defenses in the NFL last year. Total defense is a useless stat because it pays no attention to - what do you scouts call it? Oh yeah - situational football.
You keep blaming Rex's failures on his quarterback play, but there's plenty of ways to quantify his performance as a head coach. Probably the most telling regular season stat is Takeaways/Giveaways. This is my favorite, because it's a snapshot of Belichick's brilliance and Rex's mediocrity. In 2012, the Pats were a +25 and the Jets were a... wait for it... -14! Lower than Chan Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick, who I had assumed were the turnover tag team champions. I mean, even Brandon Weeden and Pat Shurmur managed a solid +3. I'll say it again: If Rex Ryan wasn't grabbing headlines, he would be fired without a doubt. Nobody keeps their job in the NFL after a -14 turnover differential pops up on the boss's desk.
You don't have to justify your fandom, you just have a bad habit of relaying your opinions as facts because you're a blowhard. I've latched on to players the same way (Hightower, Vereen, and Russell Wilson after that Senior Bowl he dominated), however if you're telling me your affection for Wilkerson is based not entirely on the laundry he wears, but on the "grade" you personally gave him... I'd sit here in shock for a minute, then burst into laughter.
We've had a little back-and-forth here and there, but no major disagreements. From my perspective, you just do a lot of chest-thumping, and you get extra defensive (see above) when you're flat-out wrong about something (Muhammed Wilkerson being a top-15 player in the NFL, Rex Ryan not being to blame for pathetic lack of offense after 4 years in head coaching role, undeserved and delusional sense of football scouting prowess, etc). We can probably call it here, because this argument is going nowhere fast. Get well soon, Inforoo's own little Fireman Ed.
No, *sshole. I worked as an unpaid assistant at the college I went to and began grading out players there. I also got an award in Scott Pioli's name (ex-GM of the Pats and Chiefs) and we began staying in contact until he gave me an internship the summer before my sophomore year (we went to the same high school). I worked with scouts that were employed under Pioli and learned what to look for. The reason I a know specifics about defensive front-7 players and not much else is because that's all I had time to learn. You can now go f*ck yourself with a howitzer shell.
If people "wouldn't even mention the Steelers" in a conversation about the best defenses in 2012, then they're a f*cking idiot. So, in conclusion, you're a f*cking idiot.
"Hey, the stats that the NFL itself uses to rank defenses is bullsh*t, you should use a stat that incorporates points the offense and special teams surrenders instead!" Nope. And for the record, I referenced yards/game because if I brought up advanced metrics you'd laugh at them or something. The Jets were 9th in defense per Football Outsiders. So, top-10 defense. F*ck you, sh*td*ck.
You're right, there are more than one way to quantify Rex as a head coach, but the easiest is his f*cking win/loss record, you f*cking mutant. Takeaways/giveaways? How f*cking high were you when you wrote that? I suggest you read this: www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8192370/the-jets-had-tough-2011-was-anomaly-trend because it outlines a lot of what I'm saying. And this isn't me stealing analysis from someone else, NFL analytics aren't a mystery, it's all about math. If you're saying the Pats had a better defense in any of the four years Rex has coached the Jets due to a better turnover ratio, you're out of your god damn f*cking mind, dude. Turnover margin is only half-defense, so using that as the ultimate measure of defensive quality is hilariously wrong.
Not much of what I've said is purely opinion. Most of what I say is factual and the rest are assumptions based on facts available (since advanced football metrics are still in their growth stage and there aren't enough to tell the entire story for certain positions). And I obviously root for Wilkerson because he's a Jet, but if he played for, say, the Steelers and had a similar 2012 season? I would still say he was an elite defensive player on the verge of stardom. That's what he is, and if you stopped being such a stubborn jack*ss and read the article from Grantland I posted, you'd see that.
I'm not just blowing smoke, I spent a lot of time trying to chase that dream (NFL front office person), but it didn't happen. Oh, well. I can assure you I'm not just talking bullsh*t to impress people with my sports knowledge on a f*cking hippie music discussion board.
Edit: love you too, Dr. Joe. And stop being a d*ck to Danny Kanell, no one was as bad as Sanchez was last year.
AFC East: Patriots North: Steelers South: Texans West: Broncos WC: Ravens and Colts (I kinda want to say Dolphins, but I don't know if they're there yet)
The NFC is very strong this year, I don't feel as confident on this side as I do the AFC. Any one of these divisions are tossups, though probably not as many teams involved as on CPK's list. The Panthers will be improved, but probably not playoff bound this year. I think the Bucs and the Cowboys are flirting with .500 at best. The Rams (not listed) will be better than several teams on that list.
And the Jets are not doing better than 6-10 this year.
So Flanz and Dr. Joe, is reading the sports section there a lot like a tabloid? I swear I hear more about off the field stuff out of the Jets and Giants than I do on the field stuff.
I don't read the Huffington Post (which is pretty much a tabloid itself). And that "publication" that they cite to - FrontPage Magazine - is something I have never heard of. I didn't even know this was a story...
My larger point was that NY football teams seem to show up far more often than not for things that have nothing to do with their on the field performance on my end. For example, Flanzo recently said that Sanchez's headband is "news" there.
So Flanz and Dr. Joe, is reading the sports section there a lot like a tabloid? I swear I hear more about off the field stuff out of the Jets and Giants than I do on the field stuff.
Jimmy is right, for the most part the Giants don't get a lot of bad press. I've gotten used to it, but yeah if a Jets player brought a switchblade onto an airplane it would generate a ton of "loljets circus" articles.
I used to read the Daily Snooze (News) every day, but I've given up reading the sports sections of newspapers and I generally ignore the major sports news outlets because they just re-circulate slanted reporting from papers in the NY-area. I stick to fan blogs, sites like PFF and stuff like that.
The Aboushi article that these stories are based on is complete, unadulterated horse sh*t. It gets me mad on a different level than just mindless Jet-bashing because it's stepping over a very different sort of boundary. As Jimmy pointed out, it's based on the reporting of some d*ckhead right-wing nutjob on his small-scale website. And the MLB guy who compared Aboushi to Aaron Hernandez deserves a f*cking smack. What a dipsh*t.
I'm not sure what's worse: Sang predicting the Dolphins beat the Pats in the East, or Flanzo having the Jets as a playoff team.
The correct answer would be picking the paper-champion Lolphins to win the division. The AFC isn't all that strong, so 9-7 could probably get a team in as the 6 seed. The Jets have an easy schedule, so if they can have QB play that is mediocre-at-best instead of top-10-worst-seasons-since-the-merger they have a shot to win 9 games. The games they have a chance to win: Tampa, Buffalo, @ Tenn, Pitt, @ Buffalo, Miami, Oakland, @ Carolina, Cleveland, @ Miami (that's 10 total). And there's always the off chance that the team upsets a legitimately good team. They would obviously need things to go right for them in the same consistency that things went wrong for them last year, but it's not out of the question if the team keeps the QB position from gift-wrapping games for opposing teams and the defense can play at an elite level.
Yeah, lot of if's, but in a weaker conference with a bunch of teams having question marks I don't think it's outrageous to put my money on Rex using a similar style to the '09/'10 teams to sneak in as the 6 seed.
I feel like people are forgetting that Andrew Luck is the Peuton Manning of his generation...
No, but they're still a pretty flawed team and play the NFC & AFC West (cross-country flights are always an undersold issue for teams). I think they're battling for the 6-seed, but they benefit last year from the 3rd-weakest SOS and that isn't likely to be the case this year.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jul 14, 2013 10:04:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't call the Giants last two Super Bowl wins a fluke, especially not the last one. They had one of the most dominant defensive fronts in recent memory. They caused Brady all kinds of trouble in that Super Bowl. If he scrambled a bit more he may have been able to get a few extra passes over Pierre Paul's outstretched arms.
I wouldn't call the Giants last two Super Bowl wins a fluke, especially not the last one. They had one of the most dominant defensive fronts in recent memory. They caused Brady all kinds of trouble in that Super Bowl. If he scrambled a bit more he may have been able to get a few extra passes over Pierre Paul's outstretched arms.
Let's not forget they needed to win their last 2 and Dallas to lose their last 2 to sneak in as an 9-7 record as a division winner.
I'm only picking one team from the AFC South because they are playing the toughest division in the NFL for interconference games. I figure the NFC East will come down to the Giants or Redskins and it's possible a WC will come from that division only because they play the crappiest division in the NFL. But I really think the Bears may finally have their sh!t together this year.