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I'm fully expecting dismantlings. Rex was the head coach last year, it was always his defense. When you say they're going to start blitzing again, you know that plays right into Brady's hands right? And you say Geno is ready to take over for Sanchez, like that's a good thing? With an O Line like that, they'll both be getting baptized. That O Line is notoriously bad, especially on the right side. They were not good.
I don't know how you can defend the Jets. The new GM should already be fired for spending their top two draft picks on defensive players. The only redeeming quality on the team was Revis, and you just shipped him.
And I have NO idea what your math represents, but Belichick just won the division decisively 3 years in a row. There is absolutely ZERO chance Rex has won more regular season games in that time. That statement is 100% garbage. 3 more wins than Bill? Wake up dude.
Hah. You're right that Rex was the head coach last year, he was also the head coach when the won a bunch of playoff games (including one in your house) and nearly made the Super Bowl. What I had meant in my previous comment was that was more wins than Belichick's start to his coaching career, not in his past four seasons. I'm not saying Rex will ever come close to Belichick's success, but to act like one bad year means someone is a bad coach is pretty silly.
I know exactly what Brady prefers, which is why the Jets having 3 first round picks on the DL to pressure him up the middle is why the blitz would work (Rex also beat the Pats dropping 8 into coverage for an entire game, so let's not act like he's stuck doing one thing. Their OL was ranked 3rd in the NFL by PFF, btw, and top-10 by Football Outsiders. Mark holding the ball for 6 seconds and getting sacked doesn't make the OL bad.
I'm not defending the 2012 NY Jets season, because it was a train wreck. But the 2013 Jets will be better, and part of that reason is because they spent two early picks on the defense. They'll have a top-5 unit which will keep them in games while either DerpyPoops Sanchez or Geno struggles to do a lot on offense, but Geno at least has a chance to improve as the year goes on. And Muhammad Wilkerson is better than any player on the Pats not named Brady. I await your misinformed rebuttal about how Wilkerson isn't that good.
How can you say this guy is a good head coach when his personnel decisions led to the train wreck of 2012? You're delusional, and you're choosing to ignore Rex's most obvious flaws, which are right in front of your face every Sunday. I gave him props as a defensive coach but his team is incompetent on the offensive side of the ball. The Jets have been a mess on and off the field for two straight years, and you're gonna ignore that like its not your boy Rex's fault? You have a lot of low points strewn across this board, but this might be the lowest.
First, I want to hear you say you think the Jets offensive line was the 3rd best in football last year. If you honestly believe that bit from PFF that you posted yourself, then say it. Second, Rex didn't beat the Patriots by himself - remember that All-Pro corner you traded away? He was a pretty big part of that playoff win. I still think Rex's best move ever was in that game, when he didn't know how to stop the no-huddle, so Jets players suddenly started faking injuries after first downs. Even the highest Jets moments are lows.
Muhammed Wilkerson is a good player. Good for you. You know who Muhammed Wilkerson is. You named a good player on the Jets. Still not sure how that's relevant to the discussion. If you're gonna give Rex credit for drafting him, don't forget to blame him for the many draft misfires and the glaring lack of depth on the roster. Before I forget, Vince Wilfork is better than Wilkerson. Maybe it's just a "misinformed" opinion though, because only the entirety of the football community would agree with me. I do enjoy these little arguments though, where you try so hard to sound like you know more than people on any given subject, lashing out at other members under the guise of "constructive conversation." Bottom line: if your boy wasn't grabbing headlines, he would have gotten fired, because your team hasn't won a meaningful game in over two years.
And one last thing: you started a sentence like you were using parentheses, and then you forgot. I hate when people do that, so I'm even more annoyed with you.
How can you say this guy is a good head coach when his personnel decisions led to the train wreck of 2012? You're delusional, and you're choosing to ignore Rex's most obvious flaws, which are right in front of your face every Sunday. I gave him props as a defensive coach but his team is incompetent on the offensive side of the ball. The Jets have been a mess on and off the field for two straight years, and you're gonna ignore that like its not your boy Rex's fault? You have a lot of low points strewn across this board, but this might be the lowest.
First, I want to hear you say you think the Jets offensive line was the 3rd best in football last year. If you honestly believe that bit from PFF that you posted yourself, then say it. Second, Rex didn't beat the Patriots by himself - remember that All-Pro corner you traded away? He was a pretty big part of that playoff win. I still think Rex's best move ever was in that game, when he didn't know how to stop the no-huddle, so Jets players suddenly started faking injuries after first downs. Even the highest Jets moments are lows.
Muhammed Wilkerson is a good player. Good for you. You know who Muhammed Wilkerson is. You named a good player on the Jets. Still not sure how that's relevant to the discussion. If you're gonna give Rex credit for drafting him, don't forget to blame him for the many draft misfires and the glaring lack of depth on the roster. Before I forget, Vince Wilfork is better than Wilkerson. Maybe it's just a "misinformed" opinion though, because only the entirety of the football community would agree with me. I do enjoy these little arguments though, where you try so hard to sound like you know more than people on any given subject, lashing out at other members under the guise of "constructive conversation." Bottom line: if your boy wasn't grabbing headlines, he would have gotten fired, because your team hasn't won a meaningful game in over two years.
And one last thing: you started a sentence like you were using parentheses, and then you forgot. I hate when people do that, so I'm even more annoyed with you.
Spoiler time for people who don't give a sh*t (a.k.a. everyone)
He's a good head coach because he's 38-30 in four seasons with Mark f*cking Sanchez as his QB. And he doesn't make personnel decisions, he's a head coach. What are Rex's "most obvious flaws?" The team was incompetent on offense for a season and a half out of four years, it's not like they've been the Cleveland Browns' offense. What's been Rex's fault off the field? He gave a guy the finger because he spit on Rex and what else?
The Jets had a top-10ish OL last year. Certainly above-average, but I thought 3rd was a little high. Rex beat the Pats with a defensive gameplan that no one, including the Pats, saw coming. Instead of a man-coverage blitz-happy gameplan like always, the rushed 3 or 4 max and dropped everyone into zone. It minimized Revis' impact in the passing game (he was great in run support, though) and the DL getting pressure on Brady all game is what won it. The faking injury bullsh*t is just sour grapes.
Wilkshake was a top-15 NFL player last year, per PFF (who you may discount, but is used by NFL teams to verify individual player grades and analysis). The guy is a stud and at this stage Wilfork isn't as good. No shame in that, but Wilk is going to dominate this season again to squash and doubts you may have. And I mentioned him because you said the Jets have no redeeming quality on the team.
I'm glad you are so concerned with me "lashing out" at people, but I do believe you were the one who decided to start this little trash talking escapade, no? Another person crying victim when they throw the first jab. Boo hoo.
How can you say this guy is a good head coach when his personnel decisions led to the train wreck of 2012? You're delusional, and you're choosing to ignore Rex's most obvious flaws, which are right in front of your face every Sunday. I gave him props as a defensive coach but his team is incompetent on the offensive side of the ball. The Jets have been a mess on and off the field for two straight years, and you're gonna ignore that like its not your boy Rex's fault? You have a lot of low points strewn across this board, but this might be the lowest.
First, I want to hear you say you think the Jets offensive line was the 3rd best in football last year. If you honestly believe that bit from PFF that you posted yourself, then say it. Second, Rex didn't beat the Patriots by himself - remember that All-Pro corner you traded away? He was a pretty big part of that playoff win. I still think Rex's best move ever was in that game, when he didn't know how to stop the no-huddle, so Jets players suddenly started faking injuries after first downs. Even the highest Jets moments are lows.
Muhammed Wilkerson is a good player. Good for you. You know who Muhammed Wilkerson is. You named a good player on the Jets. Still not sure how that's relevant to the discussion. If you're gonna give Rex credit for drafting him, don't forget to blame him for the many draft misfires and the glaring lack of depth on the roster. Before I forget, Vince Wilfork is better than Wilkerson. Maybe it's just a "misinformed" opinion though, because only the entirety of the football community would agree with me. I do enjoy these little arguments though, where you try so hard to sound like you know more than people on any given subject, lashing out at other members under the guise of "constructive conversation." Bottom line: if your boy wasn't grabbing headlines, he would have gotten fired, because your team hasn't won a meaningful game in over two years.
And one last thing: you started a sentence like you were using parentheses, and then you forgot. I hate when people do that, so I'm even more annoyed with you.
Spoiler time for people who don't give a sh*t (a.k.a. everyone)
He's a good head coach because he's 38-30 in four seasons with Mark f*cking Sanchez as his QB. And he doesn't make personnel decisions, he's a head coach. What are Rex's "most obvious flaws?" The team was incompetent on offense for a season and a half out of four years, it's not like they've been the Cleveland Browns' offense. What's been Rex's fault off the field? He gave a guy the finger because he spit on Rex and what else?
The Jets had a top-10ish OL last year. Certainly above-average, but I thought 3rd was a little high. Rex beat the Pats with a defensive gameplan that no one, including the Pats, saw coming. Instead of a man-coverage blitz-happy gameplan like always, the rushed 3 or 4 max and dropped everyone into zone. It minimized Revis' impact in the passing game (he was great in run support, though) and the DL getting pressure on Brady all game is what won it. The faking injury bullsh*t is just sour grapes.
Wilkshake was a top-15 NFL player last year, per PFF (who you may discount, but is used by NFL teams to verify individual player grades and analysis). The guy is a stud and at this stage Wilfork isn't as good. No shame in that, but Wilk is going to dominate this season again to squash and doubts you may have. And I mentioned him because you said the Jets have no redeeming quality on the team.
I'm glad you are so concerned with me "lashing out" at people, but I do believe you were the one who decided to start this little trash talking escapade, no? Another person crying victim when they throw the first jab. Boo hoo.
Dude you talk in f*cking circles and all you do is contradict yourself. Sour grapes? You just said the Jets "should have" beaten the Pats 29-26, and you're gonna accuse me of sour grapes? Ah, this is all too familiar.
Rex's "most obvious flaw" is his offense - I'm pretty sure you know that by now. This dude has been the coach for four years and he's had the same QB the whole time... And the offense has gotten worse? Why do you cut Rex so much slack when your young QB has actually gotten worse and worse for the last two seasons? Why do you think Geno Smith is gonna be any different when he was drafted lower and in a weaker year for QBs? And you say Rex doesn't make personnel decisions, but your homeboy Wilkerson was 100% a Rex Ryan guy from the start.
And seriously, lets talk about your asinine statements about Wilkerson. Good player, sure, but you just said he's top 15 in the league? So he's better than... Lets see... Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, AP, Foster, Megatron, AJ Green, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, Von Miller, P. Peterson, Fitzgerald... The list goes on. That's what you're saying right? Because you keep quoting that nonsense. Wilfork is the better player and he has much more of an effect on the outcome of a game. For every dope like yourself who actually believes Wilkerson is better, I can find 300 who will say Wilfork is better.
This isn't really about the Jets though. I think Rex is a smart defensive coach and a good guy at heart. I just think you're a giant d*ckbag, and it's hard to not say something. Every time someone calls you on your bullsh*t, you start backing up and scrambling for links, trying to find a blogger that will back you up. You should have known you were gonna get some heat when you compared Rex to Belichick. You are insufferable.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Dude you talk in f*cking circles and all you do is contradict yourself. Sour grapes? You just said the Jets "should have" beaten the Pats 29-26, and you're gonna accuse me of sour grapes? Ah, this is all too familiar.
Rex's "most obvious flaw" is his offense - I'm pretty sure you know that by now. This dude has been the coach for four years and he's had the same QB the whole time... And the offense has gotten worse? Why do you cut Rex so much slack when your young QB has actually gotten worse and worse for the last two seasons? Why do you think Geno Smith is gonna be any different when he was drafted lower and in a weaker year for QBs? And you say Rex doesn't make personnel decisions, but your homeboy Wilkerson was 100% a Rex Ryan guy from the start.
And seriously, lets talk about your asinine statements about Wilkerson. Good player, sure, but you just said he's top 15 in the league? So he's better than... Lets see... Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, AP, Foster, Megatron, AJ Green, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, Von Miller, P. Peterson, Fitzgerald... The list goes on. That's what you're saying right? Because you keep quoting that nonsense. Wilfork is the better player and he has much more of an effect on the outcome of a game. For every dope like yourself who actually believes Wilkerson is better, I can find 300 who will say Wilfork is better.
This isn't really about the Jets though. I think Rex is a smart defensive coach and a good guy at heart. I just think you're a giant d*ckbag, and it's hard to not say something. Every time someone calls you on your bullsh*t, you start backing up and scrambling for links, trying to find a blogger that will back you up. You should have known you were gonna get some heat when you compared Rex to Belichick. You are insufferable.
Yes, crying and giving excuses for a loss is sour grapes. The Jets lost a game, but had ample opportunities to win it, including a late drive to tie the game. I am not making excuses for the team, hence the difference. I accept the loss, you try to excuse it.
Rex is a defensive coach. Does Mike McCarthey coach defense? Does Pete Carroll coach offense? Does Mike Tomlin coach offense? No, no and no. Those guys just have competent coordinators in place for the discipline they don't have experience in. Mark didn't get "worse and worse" for four years. He was bad, then was okay, then actually good, then okay and now bad. He peaked in Y2/early Y3. The ex-GM gave Mark a guaranteed extension, hence why he's still here. He'd have been cut if he wasn't. Again, not sure what the GM drafting and extending a crappy QB has to do with Rex, who doesn't control personnel decisions.
LOL @ you thinking draft position is a clear cut indicator of ability WHEN YOU ROOT FOR ALL-TIME GREAT/6TH ROUND PICK TOM BRADY. Dude, seriously? Talk about your contradictions. And yes, when the Jets decide to scout DL they send Rex, because he's been coaching DL for over 20 years. He saw Wilkerson, knew he was a special player, and when his word jived with the word of the scouts, it was an easy choice. Rex was a supplemental reference, not what the team based their selection off of.
And yes, let's talk about Muhammad the Wilkshake. There were two interior DL that were better than him: JJ Watt (who was the best player in football last year) and Geno Atkins (who was a top-5 player). I said "last year" Wilkshake was a top-15 player. If he does it again this year, he's a top-15 player for real, no dumbsh*t Pats fan haters can argue it. But we'll have to revisit this in 8-10 months. And I'm glad you think I'm a dope for basing my player evaluations on actual statistics instead of "well, he's on a good team and was good for a long time, so he must still be great!" Nope. Wilkerson has a bigger impact on the game than any other interior DL in the NFL not named Watt or Atkins.
And I'm glad we got to the root of it. Your personal feelings about me are obvious, but I have no idea why. Besides this interaction I've never been a d*ck to you.
I find it funny you think it's a fault to use links to credible sources to back up my claims, instead of being a typical front-running sh*thead Pats fan who thinks he invented the game of football because he's rooted for Tom Brady his entire adult life. Grow the f*ck up.
rdk Coming from the guy who rage quit because the Braves lost, that comment really doesn't bother me.
I think Zack Brown is going to be a standout outside linebacker for the Titans. He ran a 4.37 in the 40 at the combine and had 93 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 3 INt's, and 2 TD's in his rookie season last year.
Jesus Christ! I didn't know patriot fans hated the Jets this much. I would have thought if you hated any team in NY it would be the Giants. I guess division rivals trumps Super Bowl nemesis
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
I think Zack Brown is going to be a standout outside linebacker for the Titans. He ran a 4.37 in the 40 at the combine and had 93 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 3 INt's, and 2 TD's in his rookie season last year.
I was saying Bironas more as a joke, but Brown has developed nicely in my Madden 2013 franchise, so I am gonna assume it will translate over to real life. That always happens, right?
I think Zack Brown is going to be a standout outside linebacker for the Titans. He ran a 4.37 in the 40 at the combine and had 93 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 3 INt's, and 2 TD's in his rookie season last year.
I was saying Bironas more as a joke, but Brown has developed nicely in my Madden 2013 franchise, so I am gonna assume it will translate over to real life. That always happens, right?
Brown is going to be a monster. Never understood the "he hates contact" commentary people use with him. He takes on OL to blow up running plays, which as an undersized LB is basically as difficult as your job gets.
I was saying Bironas more as a joke, but Brown has developed nicely in my Madden 2013 franchise, so I am gonna assume it will translate over to real life. That always happens, right?
I was saying Bironas more as a joke, but Brown has developed nicely in my Madden 2013 franchise, so I am gonna assume it will translate over to real life. That always happens, right?
How is Locker doing?
Alright. I am looking to upgrade in this year's draft.
Dude you talk in f*cking circles and all you do is contradict yourself. Sour grapes? You just said the Jets "should have" beaten the Pats 29-26, and you're gonna accuse me of sour grapes? Ah, this is all too familiar.
Rex's "most obvious flaw" is his offense - I'm pretty sure you know that by now. This dude has been the coach for four years and he's had the same QB the whole time... And the offense has gotten worse? Why do you cut Rex so much slack when your young QB has actually gotten worse and worse for the last two seasons? Why do you think Geno Smith is gonna be any different when he was drafted lower and in a weaker year for QBs? And you say Rex doesn't make personnel decisions, but your homeboy Wilkerson was 100% a Rex Ryan guy from the start.
And seriously, lets talk about your asinine statements about Wilkerson. Good player, sure, but you just said he's top 15 in the league? So he's better than... Lets see... Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, AP, Foster, Megatron, AJ Green, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, Von Miller, P. Peterson, Fitzgerald... The list goes on. That's what you're saying right? Because you keep quoting that nonsense. Wilfork is the better player and he has much more of an effect on the outcome of a game. For every dope like yourself who actually believes Wilkerson is better, I can find 300 who will say Wilfork is better.
This isn't really about the Jets though. I think Rex is a smart defensive coach and a good guy at heart. I just think you're a giant d*ckbag, and it's hard to not say something. Every time someone calls you on your bullsh*t, you start backing up and scrambling for links, trying to find a blogger that will back you up. You should have known you were gonna get some heat when you compared Rex to Belichick. You are insufferable.
Yes, crying and giving excuses for a loss is sour grapes. The Jets lost a game, but had ample opportunities to win it, including a late drive to tie the game. I am not making excuses for the team, hence the difference. I accept the loss, you try to excuse it.
Rex is a defensive coach. Does Mike McCarthey coach defense? Does Pete Carroll coach offense? Does Mike Tomlin coach offense? No, no and no. Those guys just have competent coordinators in place for the discipline they don't have experience in. Mark didn't get "worse and worse" for four years. He was bad, then was okay, then actually good, then okay and now bad. He peaked in Y2/early Y3. The ex-GM gave Mark a guaranteed extension, hence why he's still here. He'd have been cut if he wasn't. Again, not sure what the GM drafting and extending a crappy QB has to do with Rex, who doesn't control personnel decisions.
LOL @ you thinking draft position is a clear cut indicator of ability WHEN YOU ROOT FOR ALL-TIME GREAT/6TH ROUND PICK TOM BRADY. Dude, seriously? Talk about your contradictions. And yes, when the Jets decide to scout DL they send Rex, because he's been coaching DL for over 20 years. He saw Wilkerson, knew he was a special player, and when his word jived with the word of the scouts, it was an easy choice. Rex was a supplemental reference, not what the team based their selection off of.
And yes, let's talk about Muhammad the Wilkshake. There were two interior DL that were better than him: JJ Watt (who was the best player in football last year) and Geno Atkins (who was a top-5 player). I said "last year" Wilkshake was a top-15 player. If he does it again this year, he's a top-15 player for real, no dumbsh*t Pats fan haters can argue it. But we'll have to revisit this in 8-10 months. And I'm glad you think I'm a dope for basing my player evaluations on actual statistics instead of "well, he's on a good team and was good for a long time, so he must still be great!" Nope. Wilkerson has a bigger impact on the game than any other interior DL in the NFL not named Watt or Atkins.
And I'm glad we got to the root of it. Your personal feelings about me are obvious, but I have no idea why. Besides this interaction I've never been a d*ck to you.
I find it funny you think it's a fault to use links to credible sources to back up my claims, instead of being a typical front-running sh*thead Pats fan who thinks he invented the game of football because he's rooted for Tom Brady his entire adult life. Grow the f*ck up.
rdk Coming from the guy who rage quit because the Braves lost, that comment really doesn't bother me.
Dude your team is in shambles and you are in absolute denial if you think that Rex, the head f*cking coach, is not to blame. You're a jackass, and you've contradicted yourself again: You say "Rex doesn't make personnel decisions" and immediately follow that and credit him with lobbying for Wilkerson. And don't even get me started on the junk you're spewing about Wilkerson. You want links to back me up? Here's a link to the Associated Press All-NFL team for 2012... I don't see Sour Wilk's name anywhere:
Not only is Wilkerson not cutting it on first team (where Wilfork is a DT) he's also not even on the second team. And for the last time, everyone who watches football knows who Wilkerson is. Stop acting like you discovered this dude yourself. And that last paragraph doesn't even make sense, you just sound like you're whining. Just another spiteful Brady-hater, acting like he doesn't deserve those multiple MVPs and SuperBowl rings. Keep on whining - good job, good effort.
Post by Longtime and Frequent Poster on Jul 12, 2013 13:13:39 GMT -5
I'm not going to pretend like I know who's better between Wilkerson and Wilfork, but using the f*cking Associated Press All-NFL team is pretty silly, especially for a lineman.
Mo Wilkerson is not a top 15 player in the NFL. Lawl.
Jimmy, I said he was a top-15 player last year, which is true, and that if he did it again this season it's a fair statement to say he's a top-15 player. The guy was a dominating force and without him, the Jets go from top-10 defense to bottom-10 in a blink of an eye.
Jesus Christ! I didn't know patriot fans hated the Jets this much. I would have thought if you hated any team in NY it would be the Giants. I guess division rivals trumps Super Bowl nemesis
It's kind of a funny thing with the Giants. Before the Pats existed the Giants were the majority fan base here. Even after the Pats existed (but before they became dynastic) there were a lot of Giants fans here so the Jets earned all the NY hate. The Giants and Pats used to even do a shared camp thing at Bryant College. Even today I think Pats fans look at the Giants more in disbelief than hate that they lost two SBs to them.
Dude your team is in shambles and you are in absolute denial if you think that Rex, the head f*cking coach, is not to blame. You're a jackass, and you've contradicted yourself again: You say "Rex doesn't make personnel decisions" and immediately follow that and credit him with lobbying for Wilkerson. And don't even get me started on the junk you're spewing about Wilkerson. You want links to back me up? Here's a link to the Associated Press All-NFL team for 2012... I don't see Sour Wilk's name anywhere:
Not only is Wilkerson not cutting it on first team (where Wilfork is a DT) he's also not even on the second team. And for the last time, everyone who watches football knows who Wilkerson is. Stop acting like you discovered this dude yourself. And that last paragraph doesn't even make sense, you just sound like you're whining. Just another spiteful Brady-hater, acting like he doesn't deserve those multiple MVPs and SuperBowl rings. Keep on whining - good job, good effort.
Do you have to wear a helmet when you walk around your neighborhood?
Rex Ryan is responsible for last year's 6-10 season. He's also responsible for an 11-5 season and a 9-7 season, and the trips to the AFC Title game in both of those years. So why does one bad season (plus one bad month in 2011) outweigh two overwhelmingly positive years?
Rex Ryan does not make the personnel decisions, but he lobbied hard for Wilkerson. Yes, those are both true statements that are not contradictory. The GM could have overruled Rex (and in the past he did), but the team's needs, Wilkshake's position and their personal draft board all meshed, warranting the pick. The All-Pro team is proof of...what? The majority of guys who vote on that watch a couple of teams consistently and the rest is built on what's reported by others. Wilkerson had better individual ratings than Wilfork (Wilkerson had more tackles and sacks while being double teamed as much as Wilfork and only playing 10 more plays total in the season). It's funny watching you not cite a single actual stat or metric, though.
You clearly don't know who Wilkerson is. If you did, you wouldn't talk about him like he's a borderline-starter instead of the elite top-tier defender that he is.
Not sure how you can possibly read my final comment and twist it into "Brady doesn't deserve his MVPs" or whatever, but nice strawman. Lob personal insults all you want, pumpkin, you clearly don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. Just another "we win therefore I know what I'm saying" half-assed attempt to bash the Jets. Swing and a miss.
Mo Wilkerson is not a top 15 player in the NFL. Lawl.
Jimmy, I said he was a top-15 player last year, which is true, and that if he did it again this season it's a fair statement to say he's a top-15 player. The guy was a dominating force and without him, the Jets go from top-10 defense to bottom-10 in a blink of an eye.
Jimmy, I said he was a top-15 player last year, which is true, and that if he did it again this season it's a fair statement to say he's a top-15 player. The guy was a dominating force and without him, the Jets go from top-10 defense to bottom-10 in a blink of an eye.
Don't get me wrong, Wilkerson is one of the best defensive lineman in the league. I'd say he's a top 10 or top 15 lineman in the league. He's not a top fifteen player(!) in the league.
Yes, I was being facetious in my last post, and I can agree he is a top 15 DL. But the idea that he is a top 15 overall player in the league is insanity. That is like me, as a Redskins fan, saying the same thing about Barry Cofield.
Don't get me wrong, Wilkerson is one of the best defensive lineman in the league. I'd say he's a top 10 or top 15 lineman in the league. He's not a top fifteen player(!) in the league.
Dude, you're going to go against PFF like that? I know you subscribe to them like I do.
And like I said, he's not definitely a top-15 player. He was last year and he will be hard to argue against if he plays as well as he did in 2012 (and I expect him to play better, anyway).
That is like me, as a Redskins fan, saying the same thing about Barry Cofield.
Its not. I'd take Wilkerson over Cofield 100 times out of 100. But that is another discussion. I'd still take Cofield back on the NY Giants in a second. He's really the only player in recent memory that we let walk in Free Agency that I want back.
I'd take Wilkerson over Cofield as well. My point was that I think he is valuing Wilkerson more from the perspective of a Jets fan than from an objective standpoint. That being said, Pierre Garçon is going to the Pro Bowl this year.
Not taking anything away from Barry, though. Dude is a grinder, no frills.
Dude your team is in shambles and you are in absolute denial if you think that Rex, the head f*cking coach, is not to blame. You're a jackass, and you've contradicted yourself again: You say "Rex doesn't make personnel decisions" and immediately follow that and credit him with lobbying for Wilkerson. And don't even get me started on the junk you're spewing about Wilkerson. You want links to back me up? Here's a link to the Associated Press All-NFL team for 2012... I don't see Sour Wilk's name anywhere:
Not only is Wilkerson not cutting it on first team (where Wilfork is a DT) he's also not even on the second team. And for the last time, everyone who watches football knows who Wilkerson is. Stop acting like you discovered this dude yourself. And that last paragraph doesn't even make sense, you just sound like you're whining. Just another spiteful Brady-hater, acting like he doesn't deserve those multiple MVPs and SuperBowl rings. Keep on whining - good job, good effort.
Do you have to wear a helmet when you walk around your neighborhood?
Rex Ryan is responsible for last year's 6-10 season. He's also responsible for an 11-5 season and a 9-7 season, and the trips to the AFC Title game in both of those years. So why does one bad season (plus one bad month in 2011) outweigh two overwhelmingly positive years?
Rex Ryan does not make the personnel decisions, but he lobbied hard for Wilkerson. Yes, those are both true statements that are not contradictory. The GM could have overruled Rex (and in the past he did), but the team's needs, Wilkshake's position and their personal draft board all meshed, warranting the pick. The All-Pro team is proof of...what? The majority of guys who vote on that watch a couple of teams consistently and the rest is built on what's reported by others. Wilkerson had better individual ratings than Wilfork (Wilkerson had more tackles and sacks while being double teamed as much as Wilfork and only playing 10 more plays total in the season). It's funny watching you not cite a single actual stat or metric, though.
You clearly don't know who Wilkerson is. If you did, you wouldn't talk about him like he's a borderline-starter instead of the elite top-tier defender that he is.
Not sure how you can possibly read my final comment and twist it into "Brady doesn't deserve his MVPs" or whatever, but nice strawman. Lob personal insults all you want, pumpkin, you clearly don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. Just another "we win therefore I know what I'm saying" half-assed attempt to bash the Jets. Swing and a miss.
I am absolutely loving this. Rex has completely and utterly failed to develop an offense, and he's had a full four seasons to do it. If he was a good head coach, wouldn't the Jets be improving in certain phases of the game? But no, the offense, defense, and special teams were all at their worst last year. This isn't fantasy football, tough guy. The Jets are a disgrace. Yet you credit Rex with all the good things, and omit the horrendous showings (Thanksgiving 2012 ring a bell?) that he could have prevented. No good head coach would ever let things go that far. Rex is a great defensive coordinator who happens to be in over his head.
As much as you enjoy coming on this board and pumping your own tires 6 hours a day, please understand the rest of us are living in a world where Wilkerson is not a top 15 player and where you're just another Fireman Ed with a keyboard.
Again, this isn't fantasy football. Wilkerson's very good and might not get the publicity he should, but everything you're saying is way overblown. Did he even make the NFL Top 100? No idea. If he did, I'd love to see where he's ranked... I bet you'll argue NFL players aren't a credible source though.
Stop acting like you know how to grade a player's performance when you're literally clueless. If I heard you talking in public I would honestly cross the street to get the hell away from you. You don't know a f*cking thing about Wilkerson, you just latched on to him because he's a young Jet and you heard from someone else that he's exceeding expectations.
Every statement you make on this board gives me douche chills.
I am absolutely loving this. Rex has completely and utterly failed to develop an offense, and he's had a full four seasons to do it. If he was a good head coach, wouldn't the Jets be improving in certain phases of the game? But no, the offense, defense, and special teams were all at their worst last year. This isn't fantasy football, tough guy. The Jets are a disgrace. Yet you credit Rex with all the good things, and omit the horrendous showings (Thanksgiving 2012 ring a bell?) that he could have prevented. No good head coach would ever let things go that far. Rex is a great defensive coordinator who happens to be in over his head.
As much as you enjoy coming on this board and pumping your own tires 6 hours a day, please understand the rest of us are living in a world where Wilkerson is not a top 15 player and where you're just another Fireman Ed with a keyboard.
Again, this isn't fantasy football. Wilkerson's very good and might not get the publicity he should, but everything you're saying is way overblown. Did he even make the NFL Top 100? No idea. If he did, I'd love to see where he's ranked... I bet you'll argue NFL players aren't a credible source though.
Stop acting like you know how to grade a player's performance when you're literally clueless. If I heard you talking in public I would honestly cross the street to get the hell away from you. You don't know a f*cking thing about Wilkerson, you just latched on to him because he's a young Jet and you heard from someone else that he's exceeding expectations.
Every statement you make on this board gives me summers breeze chills.
Hey sh*td*ck, put your posts in spoilers so everyone doesn't have to trudge through this idiotic argument.
The defense being "at it's worst" was 8th in the league, compared to 1st, 3rd and 5th the three years prior. What a horror show. I still don't understand what Rex could have done to prevent Sanchez from sucking with the team he had. Tebow sucks even more, he eventually benched Mark for the other sh*tty backup they had, and he sucked too. He was a head coach with three sh*tty QBs on the roster, but how is that on him? He doesn't acquire the players, he just coaches the team he has. Are you saying he should've benched Sanchez earlier?
I love how you think he's not a head coach. He's 8 games above .500 in his 4 year career (which, again, is better than Belichick's first four years as a head coach, so to say Rex isn't a head coach is just silly).
Well, unless you play IDP, Wilkerson has no fantasy value. Wilkerson is elite. That is not debatable, but what is is his standing in the upper-echelon of NFL defensive players. The NFL Top 100 is voted on by players, many of whom haven't even played Wilkerson before. That poll is not very meaningful (Geno Atkins being 36th is horrendous, for eexample), so you're referencing yet another poll or team that doesn't carry weight in the discussion.
I actually do know how to grade a player's performance. It may shock you, but I've watched games (non-Jets games, even!) and graded out the players on defense for both teams. I don't even know how to respond to your Wilkerson attack. I don't know anything about the guy? According to what? Grow up, jesus f*ckchrist. I root for him because he's a good guy, a great football player and plays a role that is one of my favorites on a football field. I don't know why I have to justify my fandom of a player on my favorite team, but I guess this is just another one of life's little surprises. I'll ask again, where the f*ck is your animosity coming from? Besides this discussion, which you're clearly f*cking clueless on, when have we ever gotten into a disagreement? It's embarrassing watching you get so petty, though.