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I love Grimes. I follow her on Twitter and she's probably my favorite celebrity. Sometimes she's silly and sometimes serious, but she's just always her. I think we can "ogle" and be respectful. Imma go ogle some smart girl quotes now.
I enjoyed Grimes' quotes. She certainly has strong convictions, many of which I agree with. But, I don't really see anything wrong with celebrating the various beautiful women who are playing Bonnaroo this year. I don't find it offensive, as long, of course, as the comments made are respectful (which most of the inforoo fellas do understand the difference between appreciation and pure objectification).
Looking at the human body is fun. We can't help ourselves. And, obviously, Grimes doesn't like to be "objectified" at all- which is totally her right and choice- but from some of these images (Jilette Johnson in particular), you can tell that the woman is enjoying yourself, is proud of her image. She owns it, her image, just the same as Grimes owns hers, and in both situations, the woman has made that choice.
So, anyway, continue your "ogling."
Top of page...now this just sounds like a rant.
I agree to an extent but things like this are sorta not okay.
What is a celebrity if not an object for our ears, eyes, and minds? They are selling themselves all the time for one reason or another. Anyone who accepts a position or profession in which the pinnacle of success is public recognition and being put into the spotlight has an inherent expectation that they should expect a certain level of admiration, appreciation, objectification, ridicule, or animosity directed at them by the general audience. For every despicable creeper out there, there are adoring admirers. At the end of the day, these people chose these lifestyles with at least an ounce of knowledge of the risks and rewards of the profession. If you aren't successful, you struggle financially but avoid the stress of the limelight. If you are successful, you reap the rewards of succeeding at what you are passionate about, you probably become financial secure, and you rise to god-like status amongst your greatest fans. Most of us will never experience the level of enormous energy a headlining performer at Bonnaroo receives when 65000 people are screaming, clapping, and cheering them on. I imagine it is better than any NO NO WORD!!! and most human emotions we can experience. But the risk is that they are going to be scrutinized, objectified, and will lose most if not all of their personal space and public freedom.
Long story short, I think appreciating the beauty of female or male artists is natural and expected. Your level of creep factor in the whole thing just demonstrates your own personal character, or at least the type of character you are attempting to portray for whatever personal reason. I think Grimes' statement was very honest and I applaud her for it. I respect her even more now.
I enjoyed Grimes' quotes. She certainly has strong convictions, many of which I agree with. But, I don't really see anything wrong with celebrating the various beautiful women who are playing Bonnaroo this year. I don't find it offensive, as long, of course, as the comments made are respectful (which most of the inforoo fellas do understand the difference between appreciation and pure objectification).
Looking at the human body is fun. We can't help ourselves. And, obviously, Grimes doesn't like to be "objectified" at all- which is totally her right and choice- but from some of these images (Jilette Johnson in particular), you can tell that the woman is enjoying yourself, is proud of her image. She owns it, her image, just the same as Grimes owns hers, and in both situations, the woman has made that choice.
So, anyway, continue your "ogling."
Top of page...now this just sounds like a rant.
I agree to an extent but things like this are sorta not okay.
What is a celebrity if not an object for our ears, eyes, and minds? They are selling themselves all the time for one reason or another. Anyone who accepts a position or profession in which the pinnacle of success is public recognition and being put into the spotlight has an inherent expectation that they should expect a certain level of admiration, appreciation, objectification, ridicule, or animosity directed at them by the general audience. For every despicable creeper out there, there are adoring admirers. At the end of the day, these people chose these lifestyles with at least an ounce of knowledge of the risks and rewards of the profession. If you aren't successful, you struggle financially but avoid the stress of the limelight. If you are successful, you reap the rewards of succeeding at what you are passionate about, you probably become financial secure, and you rise to god-like status amongst your greatest fans. Most of us will never experience the level of enormous energy a headlining performer at Bonnaroo receives when 65000 people are screaming, clapping, and cheering them on. I imagine it is better than any NO NO WORD!!! and most human emotions we can experience. But the risk is that they are going to be scrutinized, objectified, and will lose most if not all of their personal space and public freedom.
Long story short, I think appreciating the beauty of female or male artists is natural and expected. Your level of creep factor in the whole thing just demonstrates your own personal character, or at least the type of character you are attempting to portray for whatever personal reason. I think Grimes' statement was very honest and I applaud her for it. I respect her even more now.
It is interesting to see how celebrity causes people in general to be able to ignore social norms about what you can and cannot say to people. I was thinking about this the other day if social media has amplified this criticism or has just made the existing statements easier to disseminate across a larger group of people.
What is a celebrity if not an object for our ears, eyes, and minds? They are selling themselves all the time for one reason or another. Anyone who accepts a position or profession in which the pinnacle of success is public recognition and being put into the spotlight has an inherent expectation that they should expect a certain level of admiration, appreciation, objectification, ridicule, or animosity directed at them by the general audience. For every despicable creeper out there, there are adoring admirers. At the end of the day, these people chose these lifestyles with at least an ounce of knowledge of the risks and rewards of the profession. If you aren't successful, you struggle financially but avoid the stress of the limelight. If you are successful, you reap the rewards of succeeding at what you are passionate about, you probably become financial secure, and you rise to god-like status amongst your greatest fans. Most of us will never experience the level of enormous energy a headlining performer at Bonnaroo receives when 65000 people are screaming, clapping, and cheering them on. I imagine it is better than any NO NO WORD!!! and most human emotions we can experience. But the risk is that they are going to be scrutinized, objectified, and will lose most if not all of their personal space and public freedom.
Long story short, I think appreciating the beauty of female or male artists is natural and expected. Your level of creep factor in the whole thing just demonstrates your own personal character, or at least the type of character you are attempting to portray for whatever personal reason. I think Grimes' statement was very honest and I applaud her for it. I respect her even more now.
I'm sorry, this is sort of ridiculous. Most of these women aren't celebrities, they're musicians. They play music for a living. To the extent some parlay musical success into modeling, that's different. But most of the women on this thread get home from tour and lead totally average lives.
Long story short, I think appreciating the beauty of female or male artists is natural and expected. Your level of creep factor in the whole thing just demonstrates your own personal character, or at least the type of character you are attempting to portray for whatever personal reason. I think Grimes' statement was very honest and I applaud her for it. I respect her even more now.
I'll admit that my level of creep factor goes up alot when I see Wayne Coyne. I've learned to reel it in, but I'm seeing him next week. We have a date. I baked him a cake with an edible image of my naked body printed on top. Is that too much?
Long story short, I think appreciating the beauty of female or male artists is natural and expected. Your level of creep factor in the whole thing just demonstrates your own personal character, or at least the type of character you are attempting to portray for whatever personal reason. I think Grimes' statement was very honest and I applaud her for it. I respect her even more now.
I'll admit that my level of creep factor goes up alot when I see Wayne Coyne. I've learned to reel it in, but I'm seeing him next week. We have a date. I baked him a cake with an edible image of my naked body printed on top. Is that too much?
How were you planning on delivering said cake? I think that could really effect the creep level.
Long story short, I think appreciating the beauty of female or male artists is natural and expected. Your level of creep factor in the whole thing just demonstrates your own personal character, or at least the type of character you are attempting to portray for whatever personal reason. I think Grimes' statement was very honest and I applaud her for it. I respect her even more now.
I'll admit that my level of creep factor goes up alot when I see Wayne Coyne. I've learned to reel it in, but I'm seeing him next week. We have a date. I baked him a cake with an edible image of my naked body printed on top. Is that too much?
Edit: I will also say that our culture's view of women is deplorable at best. We really treat women like shit on most all levels. I do buy into the arguments that we have a rape culture when it comes to women. So, there's that.
What is a celebrity if not an object for our ears, eyes, and minds? They are selling themselves all the time for one reason or another. Anyone who accepts a position or profession in which the pinnacle of success is public recognition and being put into the spotlight has an inherent expectation that they should expect a certain level of admiration, appreciation, objectification, ridicule, or animosity directed at them by the general audience. For every despicable creeper out there, there are adoring admirers. At the end of the day, these people chose these lifestyles with at least an ounce of knowledge of the risks and rewards of the profession. If you aren't successful, you struggle financially but avoid the stress of the limelight. If you are successful, you reap the rewards of succeeding at what you are passionate about, you probably become financial secure, and you rise to god-like status amongst your greatest fans. Most of us will never experience the level of enormous energy a headlining performer at Bonnaroo receives when 65000 people are screaming, clapping, and cheering them on. I imagine it is better than any NO NO WORD!!! and most human emotions we can experience. But the risk is that they are going to be scrutinized, objectified, and will lose most if not all of their personal space and public freedom.
Long story short, I think appreciating the beauty of female or male artists is natural and expected. Your level of creep factor in the whole thing just demonstrates your own personal character, or at least the type of character you are attempting to portray for whatever personal reason. I think Grimes' statement was very honest and I applaud her for it. I respect her even more now.
I'm sorry, this is sort of ridiculous. Most of these women aren't celebrities, they're musicians. They play music for a living. To the extent some parlay musical success into modeling, that's different. But most of the women on this thread get home from tour and lead totally average lives.
Aren't successful musicians celebrities? I mean, for me, my favorite musicians are definitely celebrities. Plenty of musicians certainly act like celebrities.
What is a celebrity if not an object for our ears, eyes, and minds? They are selling themselves all the time for one reason or another. Anyone who accepts a position or profession in which the pinnacle of success is public recognition and being put into the spotlight has an inherent expectation that they should expect a certain level of admiration, appreciation, objectification, ridicule, or animosity directed at them by the general audience. For every despicable creeper out there, there are adoring admirers. At the end of the day, these people chose these lifestyles with at least an ounce of knowledge of the risks and rewards of the profession. If you aren't successful, you struggle financially but avoid the stress of the limelight. If you are successful, you reap the rewards of succeeding at what you are passionate about, you probably become financial secure, and you rise to god-like status amongst your greatest fans. Most of us will never experience the level of enormous energy a headlining performer at Bonnaroo receives when 65000 people are screaming, clapping, and cheering them on. I imagine it is better than any NO NO WORD!!! and most human emotions we can experience. But the risk is that they are going to be scrutinized, objectified, and will lose most if not all of their personal space and public freedom.
Long story short, I think appreciating the beauty of female or male artists is natural and expected. Your level of creep factor in the whole thing just demonstrates your own personal character, or at least the type of character you are attempting to portray for whatever personal reason. I think Grimes' statement was very honest and I applaud her for it. I respect her even more now.
I'm sorry, this is sort of ridiculous. Most of these women aren't celebrities, they're musicians. They play music for a living. To the extent some parlay musical success into modeling, that's different. But most of the women on this thread get home from tour and lead totally average lives.
What is your definition of a celebrity? Successful musicians aren't celebrities? Actresses also go home after filming and lead totally normal lives. But no matter what you do, if you are in a position where you receive any significant level of public attention, you are a celebrity.
Edit: I will also say that our culture's view of women is deplorable at best. We really treat women like shiz on most all levels. I do buy into the arguments that we have a rape culture when it comes to women. So, there's that.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Apr 25, 2013 12:55:51 GMT -5
First, I think there's a difference between being famous and being a "celebrity." And I'm not saying calling a woman you don't know beautiful is per se demeaning, but I reject the notion that just because women are "famous" means they are "asking for it" in terms of being objectified.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Apr 25, 2013 13:06:11 GMT -5
Beyonce is hot, no? She uses it as part of her image. She knows damn well she is being objectified, by men and women, the whole world loves to look at her. She wears the outfits to match her image as "sex pot." But, she owns it. It's her choice. She crafts her level of objectification. She promotes it.
But everyone has an image. Joan Jett is a rocker, and older. She stripped down to a bikini at DeLuna Fest last year- it was very easy to tell that she still wanted to show the world "I look good." Many men around me were commenting on how good she looked. I think it empowered her to do that on stage. Her sexuality was her power. Rock 'n' roll is always dripping with sex, even when you're 50.
Beyonce is hot, no? She uses it as part of her image. She knows damn well she is being objectified, by men and women, the whole world loves to look at her. She wears the outfits to match her image as "sex pot." But, she owns it. It's her choice. She crafts her level of objectification. She promotes it.
But everyone has an image. Joan Jett is a rocker, and older. She stripped down to a bikini at DeLuna Fest last year- it was very easy to tell that she still wanted to show the world "I look good." Many men around me were commenting on how good she looked. I think it empowered her to do that on stage. Her sexuality was her power. Rock 'n' roll is always dripping with sex, even when you're 50.
But we're not just posting pictures of the Beyonces of the world in this thread. Some of these women are just work-a-day musicians who have been hired to tour in bands.
To make a point about the artistry vs. beauty point. Is beauty, and specifically a woman's beauty, not the cause of same of the greatest music ever produced? Agreed on all accounts about not taking this thread, or the idea of only using a woman for her looks, too far, but to say that it's not appropriate to comment and encourage a woman's physical attractiveness is a little against the grain of some of the very art we try to appreciate. Just my two cents. Also, I would ensure Kacey Musgraves would never feel defiled or objectified in my presence. I have only my absolute love to offer her.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Apr 26, 2013 9:19:21 GMT -5
No need for apologies. I do feel that there is a lot more sexual objectification in that thread. I have a real soft spot for talented female artists and do not feel bad about celebrating their beauty. I think things have been kept pretty well respectful here.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Apr 26, 2013 9:43:45 GMT -5
My last post on the discussion (which was a great discussion): I really just wanted to hear what some of you guys had to say on the matter of admiring women, objectification, just the different ideas that popped into my head after reading the Grimes' post. I'm a feminist, and there are many thoughtful, intelligent, maybe even slightly feminist leaning guys who post here. And I love you for it. As a woman who cares deeply about some issues, you help me feel better about this world.