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Anyone who thinks that private threads will create cliques and talking behind backs, hasn't been paying attention to inforoo. We have both I'd those in spades already, hell, tinychat in and of itself is designed so members can talk to each other and pm just to talk shiz about other people. Not the only function it has, but one used pretty heavily. This place is already like a high school, private threads are not going to suddenly be the downfall of a perfect utopia where everyone is nice to one another and no one would dare talk behind another's back.
Get real, seriously.
Also, quoting this since I bumped it to a new page and this is an excellent point.
It's amazing to me how many people are completely missing what is actually being discussed. They see the words "private" and immediately think it's some exclusionary elitist conspiracy to which they won't be invited, not realizing that anyone would have the ability to create these groups/circles/threads as they see fit. It's literally no different than a group PM with a lot more flexibility.
Lets get real and say what it really is. It is encouraging cliques over community. Plain and simple. And even if its not, or you don't see it that way, the perception is and will remain that of the excluded.
Lets get real and say what it really is. It is encouraging cliques over community. Plain and simple. And even if its not, or you don't see it that way, the perception is and will remain that of the excluded.
So your stance is that inforoo doesn't have cliques? Just because you're the lone wolf doesn't mean everyone else is.
I don't understand the reasoning line of reasoning that holds that this is a public forum, thus everything that happens here must always be public. Is there some Inforoo constitutional amendment that claims that everything that happens here must be available to everyone/anyone? It makes no sense to me. Why should a forum be restricted from having private threads just because it has never had them in the past?
If someone says spirit of Bonnaroo in reply, I'm going to punch through my drywall.
Last Edit: Jan 9, 2013 12:01:22 GMT -5 by Ned - Back to Top
I think the issue is that many of the new users or users that might not have a personal relationship with many of the "vets" or regular users wont know about many of the discussions that will be happening/or be invited to join in. Many people come to the site to hear what the regular users have to say and learn from that....they are what makes inforoo so wonderful. I can see both sides of this argument, but I personally think it takes away from what inforoo is.
Happy "hump day"!
Scenario for everyone:
A group of inforoo regulars have a private thread going about _______ (insert whatever you want). Between posting in that thread and a relating thread in the public forums it's realized that a new member has some good posts and insight. That person is extended an invitation to join the discussion. Does that person enjoy their experience more, not because they're invited into a super secret club, but because he or she now has a very direct and focused discussion about _______, something that clearly interests them? To me, that's a no-brainer. I understand the reservations people have, but I don't think they outweigh the improvement to worthwhile and pointed discussion that would happen.
I would fully encourage (and possibly force) existing members to take on new members in these threads if I felt it'd improve the discussion.
Is the issue paranoia? I'm not being a jerk, I really want to understand why people are so against us having the ability to hold group private messages/threads.
To echo what Juggs said, is it the association of the words "private" and "thread?" It's no more private than members texting each other or FB messaging, only we want to do it here since we are already here. It's no more a "thread" than a private message is: same exact capabilities, just more user-friendly. I think they should be in some kind of forum rather than in just PM form since it'd be tougher to track all the PMs you're a part of vs. having a central location to see these private threads, but whatever I'm not the boss so I don't make that decision.
I want Zapp to be able to have a group discussion about Tactile Tracks with all the people who want to help him without having to deal with 10 different PM strands. I would like to maybe start a NYC-based thread about shows/etc. for people in the Tri-State area, I know the people that live around here are always looking for/sharing info for shows and I think having a private thread that we can post in would be beneficial. I don't need yahoos from BumbleQuack, USA coming in randomly to ask questions about NYC or something, you know? I want to be able to be nice to Phi without the world knowing I was actually nice to him.
I mean, some things are just better off not in the public forums.
This is a public board, you have facebook right? I think the idea of trying to do secret things on a Public board because you do not like someone or do not want to see new people post or whatever is just silly. I am not offended by the idea, I just think that in today's marvelous computer age you can figure out a way to do it somewhere else. Start a chat and PM people or a facebook group, or whatever but I see no need for private music conversations on a public board.
It's amazing to me how many people are completely missing what is actually being discussed. They see the words "private" and immediately think it's some exclusionary elitist conspiracy to which they won't be invited, not realizing that anyone would have the ability to create these groups/circles/threads as they see fit. It's literally no different than a group PM with a lot more flexibility.
Lets get real and say what it really is. It is encouraging cliques over community. Plain and simple. And even if its not, or you don't see it that way, the perception is and will remain that of the excluded.
I want to be very clear what I want: A way to a discussion with ONLY inforoo community members. I don't care who they are. Everyone involved enough in inforoo to have commented on this thread is completely cool with me and I'd gladly speak my mind and tell my life story to any of you. But there are some things I don't want visible to the Johnny Dildo's of the world, who can cruise in here, add nothing, then cut and paste it onto Bonnaroo's facebook page.
I get that everyone wants Inforoo to be a community, but right now it's not. There's a core of people who provide content, but there a lot of people who literally only lurk and I struggle to consider them "community" members.
Post by gardenfresh on Jan 9, 2013 12:04:21 GMT -5
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
I don't see how encouraging active Inforoo users to communicate outside of Inforoo is good for the community.
This is a public board, you have facebook right? I think the idea of trying to do secret things on a Public board because you do not like someone or do not want to see new people post or whatever is just silly. I am not offended by the idea, I just think that in today's marvelous computer age you can figure out a way to do it somewhere else. Start a chat and PM people or a facebook group, or whatever but I see no need for private music conversations on a public board.
Sigh.
Okay, firstly, while this board is public that doesn't mean everything about it should be public. Does that mean we can't hide our emails anymore? PUBLIC INFORMATION ONLY!
No, because our emails are private and we have a right to that privacy.
Let's say an inforoo member wants to hold a discussion with a group of people about a personal issue. Let's say they want to include Juggs in that discussion for a certain expertise he has. None of us (besides the mods) know how to contact Juggs besides through this board. We aren't allowed to have him be part of the discussion because we're not facebook friends? We come here BECAUSE we don't want to interact on Facebook and places like that. That's part of the allure, and saying that we aren't allowed to hold private conversations here is assuming that everyone here is friendly or has contact information for everyone on the board. It's illogical.
All the detractors from this idea are talking about the sense of community. How is sending people to other websites and avenues of communication harvesting a feeling of community?
"Oh? What's that? You want to have a discussion with X, Y and Z without having it public? Go to Facebook, what does this look like? A message/discussion board?"
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
Just because you don't deem something necessary, does not mean that others think the same way. It was suggested because numerous people think it is necessary to continue to foster positive discussion.
This post really has nothing to do with Inforoo and everything to do with real life. I may sound harsh but I'm only trying to help
Some of you people never matured past High School right? Everyone wants to sit at the football lunch table so damn bad.
Here is a little lesson I learned about Sophomore year in High School and I have been I happier person ever since, able to live my own life: If someone thinks they are too cool for you, Quack'em. You have two ways to react to it, 1 being to get pissed off which plays right in to their hands or 2 ignore them and find people who appreciate you for you. It really is your choice to make.
I wholeheartedly agree. However, I don't like having to deal with that HERE. This should be, in my opinion, a community accepting of everyone, not the lunchroom at a high school where the prick jock azz holes are segregated from the emo kids and the dweebs and the band members and all that. (I'm not saying anyone is in any of these groups or shares any characteristics of any person or people or stereotyping anything or anyone, simply using an understood scenario to illustrate a point)
This is way too much to read all of, so sorry if this was mentioned somewhere already.
I would think a private board would be a logistical nightmare. If you want a more private discussion, why don't you just start a private Facebook group? Invite those you want.
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
Really? List the "several easy" ways I can communicate to a specific group of people on Inforoo where they can all see each other's responses and interact with one another.
Another example of a thread I'd like is a music business/legal advice thread. I think the lawyers here would be ethically restricted from posting anything substantive in an open thread, but could speak more freely in a group thread.
Lets get real and say what it really is. It is encouraging cliques over community. Plain and simple. And even if its not, or you don't see it that way, the perception is and will remain that of the excluded.
So your stance is that inforoo doesn't have cliques? Just because you're the lone wolf doesn't mean everyone else is.
Hello,
How about that ride in? I guess that’s why they call it Sin City (hahaha)
You guys may not know this, but I consider myself…a bit of a loner. I tend to think of myself as a one man wolf pack. But when my love of Bonnaroo brought Horn home, I knew he was one of my own. And my wolf pack, it grew by one. So were two…so there was two of us in the pack. I…I was alone first in the pack, and then Horn joined in later.
And 6 months ago, when Horn introduced me to you guys. I thought…wait a second, could it be. And now I know for sure, I just added many more inforoosters to my wolf pack. Many of us wolves and pandas running around the desert together, in Las Vegas looking for strippers and cocaine. So tonight, we make a toast!
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
I don't see how encouraging active Inforoo users to communicate outside of Inforoo is good for the community.
Honestly even if a group of us want to be all exclusive and shiz and talk about lineup rumors without "Kanye sucks" and "OMG FRENCH BAND IN TN" what is it to ya'll.
I totally understand that friendships and groups of like minded people have formed and thats awesome!! That is one of the things that I like about Inforoo. You may or may not be aware, but I have met several people from this board, and regardless of what happens publicly here, there are private conversations between myself and some that may (or may not) surprise you. What Im getting at is I appreciate the way this board has been the reason for some friendships, some really tight ones, and some acquaintances and some conversation between two or more people that has added to both of their lives in some way. As big, or insignificant as it may be. There is someone on this board that I share a very sensitive, very important thing with and we have talked about it a couple of times. That wouldn't have happened without this board.
So, what if one of us was segregated out of some thread on this board because of whatever reason (one of us was new, one of us wasn't one of the cool kids, something in between) we would have never made that connection.
Apply that to someone who will be lumped together with the oncoming imminent wave of trolls about to be bestowed upon us. Lets say they get turned off to the whole board because they are excluded and they despise that type of attitude. And that connection never takes place.
I realize I am coming up with a very specific instance, but this will probably happen if we segregate the cool kids from everyone not deemed cool.
If there are private threads, I will still come to this site, it won't change my view. I can disagree but accept.
Honestly even if a group of us want to be all exclusive and shiz and talk about lineup rumors without "Kanye sucks" and "OMG FRENCH BAND IN TN" what is it to ya'll.
Like I said the internet is a big place, why do you have to do it on a public message board?
Honestly even if a group of us want to be all exclusive and shiz and talk about lineup rumors without "Kanye sucks" and "OMG FRENCH BAND IN TN" what is it to ya'll.
Yeah, the Kanye arguments are more than a little bit annoying. It would be great to have a thread about Headliners without that argument coming up once a week (or so it seems) but Kanye (like it or not) is someone who is, or at the very least is ARGUABLY a headliner, and is someone who many would like to see. So unfortunately Kanye talk will happen in the HL thread. If we ignore the ignorant comments, we can probably police ourselves and the thread and make it better.
Honestly even if a group of us want to be all exclusive and shiz and talk about lineup rumors without "Kanye sucks" and "OMG FRENCH BAND IN TN" what is it to ya'll.
Like I said the internet is a big place, why do you have to do it on a public message board?
Honestly even if a group of us want to be all exclusive and shiz and talk about lineup rumors without "Kanye sucks" and "OMG FRENCH BAND IN TN" what is it to ya'll.
Like I said the internet is a big place, why do you have to do it on a public message board?
On the same token, why do we have to do it anywhere else?
I totally understand that friendships and groups of like minded people have formed and thats awesome!! That is one of the things that I like about Inforoo. You may or may not be aware, but I have met several people from this board, and regardless of what happens publicly here, there are private conversations between myself and some that may (or may not) surprise you. What Im getting at is I appreciate the way this board has been the reason for some friendships, some really tight ones, and some acquaintances and some conversation between two or more people that has added to both of their lives in some way. As big, or insignificant as it may be. There is someone on this board that I share a very sensitive, very important thing with and we have talked about it a couple of times. That wouldn't have happened without this board.
So, what if one of us was segregated out of some thread on this board because of whatever reason (one of us was new, one of us wasn't one of the cool kids, something in between) we would have never made that connection.
Apply that to someone who will be lumped together with the oncoming imminent wave of trolls about to be bestowed upon us. Lets say they get turned off to the whole board because they are excluded and they despise that type of attitude. And that connection never takes place.
I realize I am coming up with a very specific instance, but this will probably happen if we segregate the cool kids from everyone not deemed cool.
If there are private threads, I will still come to this site, it won't change my view. I can disagree but accept.
I still vote community over segregation.
I vote you stop acting like this is segregation.
We are not segregating the board. We're not having a VIP room. We are asking to be given the chance to hold small-scale discussions privately so we don't have to create a public thread for them or force them into other threads.
And your representation of this whole thing is just completely off base. We are not proposing making the Headliner Prediction thread private. Or any other major thread that are the fly traps of this board. They will be supplemental. Do you think people will be more likely to expose some intimate detail of themselves in a private thread with 5-10 people they trust or a public forum where literally anyone can come and print screen and share it with the world?
Like I said the internet is a big place, why do you have to do it on a public message board?
Why shouldn't they be able to?
Im not trying to be argumentative, or cute, or snide, or snarky here so don't misunderstand but:
There are many reasons, and that is what this whole discussion is about.
That being said, this discussion about private threads has been refreshingly healthy and positive, regardless of the fact that there are 2 very opposing views on what seems to be a somewhat sensitive subject. I appreciate the fact that this is a public discussion (not being a smartazz - just stating a fact). No matter how this shakes out, I appreciate being able to share my thoughts and opinions on the matter. I fully realize that Im not the only one here who's opinion should matter on any subject (which is what makes forums great to me - hearing other's views, all of them) and if the decision is made to have private areas, I respect it and thoroughly understand why that decision was made.
We are not segregating the board. We're not having a VIP room. We are asking to be given the chance to hold small-scale discussions privately so we don't have to create a public thread for them or force them into other threads.
Like I said the internet is a big place, why do you have to do it on a public message board?
Why shouldn't they be able to?
Other than the fact that it will turn into a clique and someones feelings will be hurt then you will have to deal with the drama not much comes to mind. Like I said though I just do not really see an upside to the board turning into some version of the Masons where people have to incrementally prove how cool they are to advance to the next level.
Here is a scenario and I bet this or something similar will happen this year if you implement this.
A private EDM, Jam, Indie etc.. group will either get or act like they have confirmation on a big band they are excited about. Then they will drop hints that they know something on the private part that is not accessible to standard users. Someone will lie to join, and 50 people will PM and 30 will start threads to biznatch. My question is why would the mods want to do something like this to themselves? It will just be a logistical nightmare, hurt feelings, and in the end be pretty anti inclusive.
