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Post by thekingofcosmania on Aug 22, 2012 10:24:13 GMT -5
To those complaining about the hip-hop selection, keep in mind that most Pitchfork readers aren't real hip-hop fans. And I would include myself in that group of people.
I feel like the tallied list suffers from lack of diversity, especially toward the top. As far as positives go, I was very pleased to see Is This It ranking in the top 5. I'm happy to see that album recognized as a bonafide classic. As far as negatives go, I was a bit stunned to see Emergency and I all the way down at 103. Have these kids voting on this list not listened to Dismemberment Plan? 103 is insulting. All in all, too many "big name" acts dominate the list.
Oh, and Sound of Silver ranked ahead of This Is Happening. Guess I hold the minority opinion on that one.
The funny part is, when you look at the distinction index there's stuff like Bombay Bicycle Club, Childish Gambino, and two Coldplay albums, so the lists were probably made by actual tweens. Tweens just really love MPP I guess.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Aug 22, 2012 15:09:16 GMT -5
Today in "it's just a list"
Still what the hell is wrong with these dudes? Did it escape their attention that for much of the past decade and a half, female artists have had a stranglehold on the popular music zeitgeist? Have they never heard of Missy Elliott? Can they really prefer The National to M.I.A.'s Kala, to Bjork's Homogenic, to Joanna Newsom's Ys? Where are politics in all of this? If you surveyed the roughly 24,600 men who submitted "People's List" ballots, I wager you'd find nearly 100 percent espousing progressive views on gender issues. This would not be the case if you took a similar survey of pop, R&B, or country music fan's yet a "People's List" of top recordings in those genres from 1996-2011 with a similar gender breakdown is unimaginable. The fact is, when it comes to the question of women and, um, art, the Top 40's great unwashed, and even red state Tea Party partisans, are far more progressive and inclusive than the mountain-man-bearded, Fair Trade espresso-swilling, self-styled lefties of indiedom. Portlandia, we have a problem.
Still what the hell is wrong with these dudes? Did it escape their attention that for much of the past decade and a half, female artists have had a stranglehold on the popular music zeitgeist? Have they never heard of Missy Elliott? Can they really prefer The National to M.I.A.'s Kala, to Bjork's Homogenic, to Joanna Newsom's Ys? Where are politics in all of this? If you surveyed the roughly 24,600 men who submitted "People's List" ballots, I wager you'd find nearly 100 percent espousing progressive views on gender issues. This would not be the case if you took a similar survey of pop, R&B, or country music fan's yet a "People's List" of top recordings in those genres from 1996-2011 with a similar gender breakdown is unimaginable. The fact is, when it comes to the question of women and, um, art, the Top 40's great unwashed, and even red state Tea Party partisans, are far more progressive and inclusive than the mountain-man-bearded, Fair Trade espresso-swilling, self-styled lefties of indiedom. Portlandia, we have a problem.
Still what the hell is wrong with these dudes? Did it escape their attention that for much of the past decade and a half, female artists have had a stranglehold on the popular music zeitgeist? Have they never heard of Missy Elliott? Can they really prefer The National to M.I.A.'s Kala, to Bjork's Homogenic, to Joanna Newsom's Ys? Where are politics in all of this? If you surveyed the roughly 24,600 men who submitted "People's List" ballots, I wager you'd find nearly 100 percent espousing progressive views on gender issues. This would not be the case if you took a similar survey of pop, R&B, or country music fan's yet a "People's List" of top recordings in those genres from 1996-2011 with a similar gender breakdown is unimaginable. The fact is, when it comes to the question of women and, um, art, the Top 40's great unwashed, and even red state Tea Party partisans, are far more progressive and inclusive than the mountain-man-bearded, Fair Trade espresso-swilling, self-styled lefties of indiedom. Portlandia, we have a problem.
I would only see her argument if women were restricted from voting in this list. They weren't. There's no misogyny going on here. People just ranked what they liked listening to. Nothing to see here, just another writer trying to stir the pot.
Still what the hell is wrong with these dudes? Did it escape their attention that for much of the past decade and a half, female artists have had a stranglehold on the popular music zeitgeist? Have they never heard of Missy Elliott? Can they really prefer The National to M.I.A.'s Kala, to Bjork's Homogenic, to Joanna Newsom's Ys? Where are politics in all of this? If you surveyed the roughly 24,600 men who submitted "People's List" ballots, I wager you'd find nearly 100 percent espousing progressive views on gender issues. This would not be the case if you took a similar survey of pop, R&B, or country music fan's yet a "People's List" of top recordings in those genres from 1996-2011 with a similar gender breakdown is unimaginable. The fact is, when it comes to the question of women and, um, art, the Top 40's great unwashed, and even red state Tea Party partisans, are far more progressive and inclusive than the mountain-man-bearded, Fair Trade espresso-swilling, self-styled lefties of indiedom. Portlandia, we have a problem.
I would only see her argument if women were restricted from voting in this list. They weren't. There's no misogyny going on here. People just ranked what they liked listening to. Nothing to see here, just another writer trying to stir the pot.
He's a he but ya, Jody Rosen's main malfuction is always getting butt-hurt when people don't like pop music. This is just a proxy for that argument.
I would only see her argument if women were restricted from voting in this list. They weren't. There's no misogyny going on here. People just ranked what they liked listening to. Nothing to see here, just another writer trying to stir the pot.
He's a he
.........................really? Sigh. And to answer *his* question, yes, I do prefer The National to the other stuff he listed.
Post by awolfthedoor on Aug 22, 2012 21:11:09 GMT -5
I think there's an argument to be made about the relative lack of prominent female artists in music we listen to, but I'm not smart enough to talk about it. Social forces that work against potential female artists at all levels and what not.
I think there's an argument to be made about the relative lack of prominent female artists in music we listen to, but I'm not smart enough to talk about it. Social forces that work against potential female artists at all levels and what not.
Well, yes, but I feel like that moreso takes place in more mainstream music, even though Adele seemed to overcome that. The kind of image requirement that typically holds women back doesn't really apply in indie music.
I think there's an argument to be made about the relative lack of prominent female artists in music we listen to, but I'm not smart enough to talk about it. Social forces that work against potential female artists at all levels and what not.
Biggest worry I have is that the list's voters had a 88% male/12% female split.
Which is funny because pitchfork has a lot of (very good) female writers.
I think there's an argument to be made about the relative lack of prominent female artists in music we listen to, but I'm not smart enough to talk about it. Social forces that work against potential female artists at all levels and what not.
Biggest worry I have is that the list's voters had a 88% male/12% female split.
Which is funny because pitchfork has a lot of (very good) female writers.
I think that split is shocking considering just about 100% of people listen to music and Pitchfork is not in any way offensive to women. I know I see plenty of females at shows, so I always just figured they were Pitchfork readers, too. I can't help but wonder if music nerdiness is primarily a male thing.
I think there's an argument to be made about the relative lack of prominent female artists in music we listen to, but I'm not smart enough to talk about it. Social forces that work against potential female artists at all levels and what not.
Biggest worry I have is that the list's voters had a 88% male/12% female split.
Which is funny because pitchfork has a lot of (very good) female writers.
I don't think anyone has an explanation for that. It is very weird. It's obviously not the way the listening public breaks down. Go to any average show or festival and you will not see an 88/12 equivalent split. I know girls read Pitchfork. I really don't get that one.