Yes but you and I have no idea if they own 100% of their labels or if Universal owns a very significant portion. The standard, however, is that the parent is a large co-owner. These are not "independent" labels in any significant sense. Yes the distribution agent only refers to distribution, but you can use that to assume that there is an ownership stake by Universal.
Also, Roc Nation is for foreign distribution. I'm pretty sure Roc-A-Fella is the US arm (again, these are separate basically for tax reasons).
What? Very little of this is accurate.
Jay-Z left Def Jam/Universal in 2009, started Roc Nation (which is NOT Roc-A-Fella, and NOT a UK-based label). Roc Nation then expanded to Takeover Roc Nation, which is the UK-based sub-label of Roc Nation you're probably thinking of. EDIT: I see you probably just caught this yourself, so I crossed it out.
Jay-z left Roc-A-Fella completely in 2009, although there are reasons to think he's again involved with the label, since WTT was released in conjunction with Roc-A-Fella, Roc Nation and Def Jam.
But Jay-Z is no longer a part of Def Jam, he's a part of Live Nation who lets him do whatever the hell he wants because he's the golden goose.
To clarify, Universal has zero stake in Jay-Z's label, Roc Nation. Jay-Z literally bought his contract from Def Jam for $5 mil. He's independent.
Kanye you may be able to make this case for, but even then I highly doubt Universal is getting Kanye West to do what they want and not what he wants. Ownership stake? Sure, they'd be idiots not to get in on whatever it is Kanye is doing. But creative direction and control? Not likely.
Ya, I'm obviously not an expert in Jay-Z or Kanye's labels in particular, but I do know the business. Their labels have affiliations with larger conglomerates for a reason, whether it's Universal or Live Nation really doesn't make a difference. Those relationships are not no strings attached. Jay Z and Kanye probably have complete reign over their studios, but don't think for a minute that freedom extends to freedom with regards to release schedules, marketing and touring.
Circling back to the main point. Jay-Z said that there would be Kanye, Jay, and then Throne albums coming out. All three off those coming out in the next 11 months is very aggressive and frankly doesn't make a lot of business sense. It is of course possible, but I be surprised to see it coming from artists this big and this well managed.
And researching the point I quacked up before, Roc Nation is the US and Takeover Roc Nation is Europe? Is that right?
Post by Crow's Eye on Jun 21, 2012 17:50:55 GMT -5
Roc Nation is "worldwide" and Takeover Roc Nation is UK-based and deals with some other European markets, so basically you have it down now. TRN is a sub-label of RN.
And I guess we were just kind 'arguing' different things. My point was more about how they can record all three albums without having a major label (Live Nation/Universal) dictate what they do in-studio. As far as production and completion of albums goes, they have free reign.
You probably know better than I do about the touring/scheduling stuff, to be honest. I was more talking about their ability to produce the three albums in the next 11 months. Jay-Z and Kanye are masters of their craft, and I have full confidence that they could easily have the three albums done well before festival-time next year.
Whether they tour individually or together is a completely different discussion and one I admittedly don't have a whole lot to contribute to. I'd prefer another WTT super-tour, but I'll take them individually if that's how I have to see them.
Post by iamthehorn on Jun 21, 2012 18:09:21 GMT -5
Ya, yelling past each other I think. Definitely agree they could record three great albums worth of material in 11 months. But promoting and releasing them all, and and the singles ahead of time, and the deluxe collectors additions a few months after, and doing appearances, is something different.
I would LOVE for this to happen, but I don't see it happening. Trust me, the WTT show was INSANE. I went to 3 of them (excessive, I know) but I had just as much fun the last show I was at, if not more than the first one.
The WTT tour is just wrapping up in Europe if not already done. Kanye is putting out the GOOD compilation album, and yes, hopefully we get solo albums from both. But if it were to happen, I'd be very happy.
I think that Jay's amazing performance and apparent love for Bonnaroo would excuse Kanye's actions, honestly. Let us remember the words of the Reverend King, "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." :3