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I think power rankings before Week 6 or 7 are pointless, but yeah Atlanta has looked the best overall so far. Which I'd be happy about if Julio Jones was beasting the way I need him to.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Sept 24, 2012 16:28:27 GMT -5
While I was eating lunch earlier today I caught some of ESPN's NFL analyst show and they seemed to think the Cardinals were a top 5 team. I have yet to watch them play this year. What do you guys think?
While I was eating lunch earlier today I caught some of ESPN's NFL analyst show and they seemed to think the Cardinals were a top 5 team. I have yet to watch them play this year. What do you guys think?
They have a top 5 defense. They have Kevin Kolb at QB. They aren't a top 5 team, but they're playing really well right now. Kevin Kolb will go back to looking like Kevin Kolb soon enough, or get hurt and have John Skelton do John Skelton things all game and score 10 points a week.
Also, I think we are going to see more injuries this year. I saw a lot of helmet to helmet hits yesterday without the replacements throwing any flags. It's gonna get nasty.
Matt Schaub is currently removing his own teeth from his earhole, so he can't hear your concerns about helmet to helmet hits.
And Tannenbaum is a bad GM because he hasn't surrounded Mark Sanchez with any iota of talent, other than maybe Holmes. Yes, Sanchez is not the most prolific passer in the league but the guy never has any open receivers and up until recently hasn't had any sort of pass protection. Not to mention, the Jets have no running game either. Give Sanchez some slightly above average talent at receiver and running back and he's a top 15-20 quarterback.
Sigh. Are you a Giants fan, or just a self-hating Jets fan?
Holmes just had 9 catches for 150 yards, so maybe you should've picked a different week to say that he's "maybe" talented. Dustin Keller is a top-tier receiving TE, and he's also the team's #2 receiver. He's barely played all season due to injury, but will be back this week. The Jets in the past 2 seasons have brought in 3 WR's via the draft, those players aren't going to instantly become studs. They need to develop, but Jeremy Kerley seems already there as far as slot receivers go.
Anyone definitely writing the Jets off is kidding themselves in a season where the best teams don't even look that good (outside of San Fran).
And you're clearly not a Jets fan if you think that a) Sanchez has never had offensive weapons and b) think he never had a good pass blocking line until "just recently."
This post reeks of "outside looking in" ignorance from somebody regurgitating Skip Bayless' unabashed biased analysis.
Okay a few things. 1) I'm a Jets fan. 2) I'm talking about this year and their lack of talent. 3) What has Holmes done in a Jets uniform besides last game?
I've seen Holmes drop at least five passes this season, he's barely been open, not to mention he's a whiny head case. One good game is not going to change my opinion on that. I agree Kerley looks promising but I'm not going to get extremely excited after a two catch game.
Receivers just haven't been open this year. I've seen every play of the Jets season so far and can probably count on one hand how many times a receiver gained clear separation from a defender.
Keller is a good pass catching tight end but don't act like he's Rob Gronkowski or Vernon Davis because he's nowhere near that caliber He's a top 12-15 tight end in the league at best.
And I'm not even going to mention the abysmal running game.
Bottom line, the argument I was trying to make is that Tannenbaum did absolutely nothing to upgrade the offense this, which needs desperate help, except get Tim Tebow and can we please agree that has been a bust so far? Clearly this offense needs work and anyone who can't admit that after watching these past two games is just in denial.
And just to note, there are few people I hate in this world more than Skip Bayless.
Post by billypilgrim on Sept 24, 2012 22:53:17 GMT -5
This Monday night game has to be the death knell for the replacement refs. If the owners keep using these refs who are clearly incompetent, they lose any credibility and any integrity. I don't even care who wins between Seattle and Green Bay. But to let the game be decided not by the players or coaches, but by third-tier refs is a joke.
I liked the analysis that the NFL, as a commodity, has an inelastic demand. Its very true, to an extent. Personally, as a Saints fan, I want Goodell to be hated by more than just our fans. He might be able to ruin the image of the NFL in less than a season. But to truly hurt the NFL, this kind of BS will have to continue for almost the entire season before people actually stop watching.
Sigh. Are you a Giants fan, or just a self-hating Jets fan?
Holmes just had 9 catches for 150 yards, so maybe you should've picked a different week to say that he's "maybe" talented. Dustin Keller is a top-tier receiving TE, and he's also the team's #2 receiver. He's barely played all season due to injury, but will be back this week. The Jets in the past 2 seasons have brought in 3 WR's via the draft, those players aren't going to instantly become studs. They need to develop, but Jeremy Kerley seems already there as far as slot receivers go.
Anyone definitely writing the Jets off is kidding themselves in a season where the best teams don't even look that good (outside of San Fran).
And you're clearly not a Jets fan if you think that a) Sanchez has never had offensive weapons and b) think he never had a good pass blocking line until "just recently."
This post reeks of "outside looking in" ignorance from somebody regurgitating Skip Bayless' unabashed biased analysis.
Okay a few things. 1) I'm a Jets fan. 2) I'm talking about this year and their lack of talent. 3) What has Holmes done in a Jets uniform besides last game?
I've seen Holmes drop at least five passes this season, he's barely been open, not to mention he's a whiny head case. One good game is not going to change my opinion on that. I agree Kerley looks promising but I'm not going to get extremely excited after a two catch game.
Receivers just haven't been open this year. I've seen every play of the Jets season so far and can probably count on one hand how many times a receiver gained clear separation from a defender.
Keller is a good pass catching tight end but don't act like he's Rob Gronkowski or Vernon Davis because he's nowhere near that caliber He's a top 12-15 tight end in the league at best.
And I'm not even going to mention the abysmal running game.
Bottom line, the argument I was trying to make is that Tannenbaum did absolutely nothing to upgrade the offense this, which needs desperate help, except get Tim Tebow and can we please agree that has been a bust so far? Clearly this offense needs work and anyone who can't admit that after watching these past two games is just in denial.
And just to note, there are few people I hate in this world more than Skip Bayless.
*cracks knuckles*
I will readily admit I don't know everything about every team in the NFL, but I do know everything there is to know about the Jets, and you sir....need a lesson (my apologies to everyone in this thread who does not give a flying rat's c*ck about the Jets).
2) I'm talking about this year and their lack of talent.
This is asinine, because you can't talk about a dearth of talent without talking about the past couple of years where this supposed dearth of talent grew.
3) What has Holmes done in a Jets uniform besides last game?[.quote]
Things like this make me think you're not a Jets fan. He won four games single-handedly in 2010. But yeah, he's never done anything like a touchdown in OT against the Browns (all him, btw), a quick slant he took 60 yards against the Lions in OT to set up the game winning FG, the Houston Texans riweenie-kick-ulous over-the-shoulder game-winning TD on my birthday? None of that stuff.
I've seen Holmes drop at least five passes this season
No you haven't, he has two drops, three if you want to count the pass he dropped then got gifted a phantom PI call by a scab ref. And if you cite ESPN for your reasoning behind his 5 drops (I have no idea if they even keep that as a stat), but it's 2 that counted, without a doubt.
Completely inaccurate. The problem wasn't getting open outside of the 4th quarter of the Steelers game, after Sanchez bounced passes off defenders for 3 quarters and Holmes got frustrated (not ideal behavior, but understandable).
I agree Kerley looks promising but I'm not going to get extremely excited after a two catch game.
Uh, the dude is on pace for over 980 yards and 10 Td's, plus elite punt returning. Do I think he'll end up with those number? No, but a 700-800 yard and 7 TD season from your #3 WR would be awesome. Kerley is legit.
Receivers just haven't been open this year. I've seen every play of the Jets season so far and can probably count on one hand how many times a receiver gained clear separation from a defender.
Also not true. Receivers have been open a lot, Sanchez either does look to them, or forces it to someone else. He's been so consumed by not being a game manager who dumps it off he's stopped dumping it off entirely. Schilens had an easy TD on Sunday and Mark overthrew him by a mile. Same thing with Holmes in Pitt. The plays are there, but someone screws up more often than not.
Keller is a good pass catching tight end but don't act like he's Rob Gronkowski or Vernon Davis because he's nowhere near that caliber He's a top 12-15 tight end in the league at best.
2011 stats for TE's: 6th in yards and 9th in receptions. He's top 10 suckaaaaaa.
Bottom line, the argument I was trying to make is that Tannenbaum did absolutely nothing to upgrade the offense this, which needs desperate help, except get Tim Tebow and can we please agree that has been a bust so far? Clearly this offense needs work and anyone who can't admit that after watching these past two games is just in denial.
This is an asinine comment. Just....no, dude.
Tannenbaum got rid of Hunter and replaced him with a younger player who is a much better run blocker (and who has not given up a sack year), he changed offensive coordinators, he drafted Stephen Hill, he signed Chaz Schilens, but in reality he NEEDED to not do anything big. He has young players at every position, they need to let them develop. Every self-hating Jets fan loves to blow the Giants' front office, but you know what makes the Giants FO's job easier? Their fans aren't impatient sugar-high 12 year olds who want things NOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOW. Ramses Barden and Andre Brown were both drafted in 2009, did NOTHING for 3 full seasons, and are now tearing it up as Jets fans cry with the "why not us!?" bullsh*t. Because fans like you can't let a team grow young players like good franchises do and you want pro bowl caliber players at every position.
Obviously the offense needs work, so does Green Bay's, so does New Orleans, so does the Pats. Every team needs work, there are 3 undefeated teams in the entire NFL and it's week 3, there is a sh*tload of flawed teams right now in the NFL, so to end the Jets' season because they're flawed (even though they're in first place heading into a home game where the fans can 10000000% make the refs crumble like a sand castle) is just insane to me.
That video is missing the non holding call against Clay Matthews that allowed Wilson to scramble for a first down on 3rd in the first half. Two plays later was the long touchdown to Tate to put them up 7-0. I don't think it's a stretch to say Seattle could've easily been shut out, depending on what would've happened on the ensuing 3rd and 14 had the holding been called. And not that it matters nearly as much as the others, but the K-Ball was on the field for the Packers 2 point conversion.
Also, this is BY FAR the worst I've felt after a Packer game. Worse than that summers breeze Elway upsetting them in the Super Bowl when I was 9, the 4th and 26 game against the Eagles, Favre's brutal final game as a Packer against the Giants in the '08 NFC Championship, etc. etc. I'm not going to watch for a while, I don't think. Not because I think "boycotting" is going to do anything, but because you start to sort of reevaluate your life when you're 24 years old and throwing a tantrum like a four year old in your parents living room because of a game. Silver lining I guess.
I thought that after the Jets lost to the Steelers in the AFC Title game by not scoring at first and goal from the 2 or whatever. Then Week 1 the next year I was back in the saddle.
But this is a unique loss in that your team didn't actually lose the game so much as had it taken away from them.
I thought that after the Jets lost to the Steelers in the AFC Title game by not scoring at first and goal from the 2 or whatever. Then Week 1 the next year I was back in the saddle.
But this is a unique loss in that your team didn't actually lose the game so much as had it taken away from them.
At least you had 7+ months in between meaningful games. I'm sure that helped.
Post by Homer J. Fong on Sept 25, 2012 9:45:27 GMT -5
First, let's not whitewash things here - Green Bay had its share of favorable calls. The Seahawks were up 7-6 and had just stopped GB on 3rd down when Chancellor got called for that BS interference on Finley (I think it was Finley). A few plays later, GB scores to take the lead, pretty much the only time all game they were able to put together a drive. The Seattle defense was absolutely relentless, and won't get any credit due to the debacle at the end of the game. Whatever.
Moreover, people are missing the problem with that final call. Look, the possession issue isn't the problem. It's debatable whether Jennings had control, since that's not established until they hit the ground. Yeah, he got his hands on it in the air, but Tate got his hands in there before they hit the ground. That's a toss-up either way. The issue was Tate's offensive pass interference - he absolutely pushed GB's corner to the ground before he jumped. THAT is what people should be upset about. The tie-up with Jennings...not so much.
Moreover, people are missing the problem with that final call. Look, the possession issue isn't the problem. It's debatable whether Jennings had control, since that's not established until they hit the ground. Yeah, he got his hands on it in the air, but Tate got his hands in there before they hit the ground. That's a toss-up either way. The issue was Tate's offensive pass interference - he absolutely pushed GB's corner to the ground before he jumped. THAT is what people should be upset about. The tie-up with Jennings...not so much.
Agreed, it was so blatant and right in front of a ref. He was watching the pretty spiral coming his way instead of watching the scrum like he's supposed to.
I agree with Juggs. And after watching the whole game, maybe if the Packers came to play the first 30 minutes, the last play would not have mattered. The replacements are bad, no question. They looked foolish at the end of the game, but the really bad call was missing Tate's Offensive Pass Interference.
One of the Patriots said it best. You have to take the game out of the ref's hands. Hell, that is true in every sport with real refs or fake refs (but especially the latter). The Packers sucked for 30-40 minutes of the game, and then turned it on. Then they let Seattle get close enough for the pass. The Packers should have played the whole game and this would be a much smaller issue.
One of the Patriots said it best. You have to take the game out of the ref's hands. Hell, that is true in every sport with real refs or fake refs (but especially the latter). The Packers sucked for 30-40 minutes of the game, and then turned it on. Then they let Seattle get close enough for the pass. The Packers should have played the whole game and this would be a much smaller issue.
See, I could agree with this, but the way the refs are injecting themselves into the game (typical games are getting like 20 penalties called, which is insane) it's basically impossible. Players have been programmed to play the game a certain way, but the scab refs' interpretation of the rules differs from the way these guys have been conditioned to do things like hand fighting (between WRs and CBs), but now those situations are being called differently. That's where the issue lies, guys have had the "unspoken rules" agreement with the real refs for decades, and these scab refs don't care.
Oh, and the NFL will not soften because people will come back, even if this goes on all season. TV contracts are all locked in long term, which is the big money maker. The Coaches Union is already kissing up to the NFL office after seeing what happened to the players and refs.
There is no incentive for them to soften even if everyone says it is a joke since there is no financial impact.
One of the Patriots said it best. You have to take the game out of the ref's hands. Hell, that is true in every sport with real refs or fake refs (but especially the latter). The Packers sucked for 30-40 minutes of the game, and then turned it on. Then they let Seattle get close enough for the pass. The Packers should have played the whole game and this would be a much smaller issue.
See, I could agree with this, but the way the refs are injecting themselves into the game (typical games are getting like 20 penalties called, which is insane) it's basically impossible. Players have been programmed to play the game a certain way, but the scab refs' interpretation of the rules differs from the way these guys have been conditioned to do things like hand fighting (between WRs and CBs), but now those situations are being called differently. That's where the issue lies, guys have had the "unspoken rules" agreement with the real refs for decades, and these scab refs don't care.
I am going to partially disagree here. The players have a level of experience with the real refs that they do not have for the fake ones. They know who will let them get away with what and who wont. Belicheck did an interview before the season where he talked about watching tape on refs and having a file on each of them. There is now no familiarity so people are pushing limits, but the limits are not being consistently enforced. Either way, it is a bad situation.
See, I could agree with this, but the way the refs are injecting themselves into the game (typical games are getting like 20 penalties called, which is insane) it's basically impossible. Players have been programmed to play the game a certain way, but the scab refs' interpretation of the rules differs from the way these guys have been conditioned to do things like hand fighting (between WRs and CBs), but now those situations are being called differently. That's where the issue lies, guys have had the "unspoken rules" agreement with the real refs for decades, and these scab refs don't care.
I am going to partially disagree here. The players have a level of experience with the real refs that they do not have for the fake ones. They know who will let them get away with what and who wont. Belicheck did an interview before the season where he talked about watching tape on refs and having a file on each of them. There is now no familiarity so people are pushing limits, but the limits are not being consistently enforced. Either way, it is a bad situation.
The thing is, the refs PI calls are typically right, if you go by the word of the rule. Sometimes they're wayyyyy off (like last night), or they miss a call (again, like last night0, but they aren't calling PI calls that are wrong every time. But the real refs knew that if you start calling every time a DB puts his hand on a WR downfield the game would last 7 hours and people would fall asleep.
The new refs are calling things to the letter of the law, and that has never been the things have worked int he NFL. The same principle applies to holding calls, there are holding calls at the LOS every play, but if the refs started calling every one the games would derail 2 minutes in every week.
