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Well quack. Bacon said a page back to vote off CSTNZ if he (Bacon) was whacked......and now he's whacked.
This could have been the Mafia just wanting to rid of Bacon, which could lead to CSTNZ being Mafia. It also could be a setup to make CSTNZ look guilty. Both viking and bacon were pretty set on wanting CSTNZ gone last round, and the Mafia whacking Bacon makes CSTNZ look like guilty suspect # 1.
This is waaaaaay out in left field, and highly unlikely, but it could have been that RDK and Bacon are both Mafia, alongside SFA. I hate to even bring it up, but like viking said he feels like the Townies have been "had". This would be the MOST ballsy ploy I have ever seen by Mafia, which is why I also feel like it’s highly unlikely.
I feel like this needs to be addressed and discussed, even if it results in y'all thinking I'm a nut job: what if the Mafia are Bacon, RDK, and SFA???
If RDK, Bacon, and SFA are the Mafia this is what could have went down; EAP or Sarah was Inspector - Day/Night 1 we're down two Townies.
RDK in Day 2 comes out as 'Inspector' and claims EAP was his given Mafia name and that SFA was cleared. Nobody chimed in and countered RDK's claim, so the Mafia ran with it throughout Day 2, meaning most likely the Inspector was killed in Day/Night 1.
Day/Night 2 we see roonectar and RDK go (3 townies/1 Mafia gone).
Day/Night 3 we see CMP go and Bacon is whacked (4 Townies and 2 Mafia gone).
This would mean there is 1 Mafia (SFA) and 4 Townies left (Duddits, CSTNZ, viking, and nic).
Now, Bacon and viking wanted CSTNZ dead this round. So if we vote out CSTNZ, and then me (Duddits), nic, or viking is whacked, it would be down to SFA and two Townies.
All the while there really hasn't been any attention placed on SFA because of what RDK has claimed.
I will go ahead and do this since we have 2 mafia left and townies who are convinced I am mafia. I honestly don't want to waste my time in a runoff which it doesn't appear that I will even be getting that now.
EAP was my given name. I would have tried to be a little more subtle but once she was placed in the runoff I got a little amped up on getting her out. I figured some would be able to take a hint that I was inspector. That wasn't the case but luckily she was voted off anyways.
SFA was my first guess. He is a townie. I thought he was mafia for sure due to him looking somewhat connected with EAP by saving her with the vote change. I figured atleast either SFA or Sarah was mafia so I was 100% sure on SFA once Sarah was whacked. Either way it was valuable to know SFA is a townie.
I feel that Bacon is most likely a townie because he was instrumental in helping get EAP voted off and plus the way he played the first round would not be an effective mafia strategy at all. 1. Getting EAP voted off and 2. putting a lot of attention on himself.
I would have liked to get another guess in but that obviously isn't going to happen if I get voted straight off.
So here's what I think right now: EAP (given name) CMP/CSTNZ/Roonectar
I would include Nic but it's pretty obvious that he's not keeping up with the game and just votes for anyone who hurts his feelings.
and since it's so popular to do now and although I think it takes away the purpose of the game: I will let you all cockpunch me 3 times at brunch if I am not inspector and buy you 2 beers of your choice.
I don't think there is a correct vote at this point because I don't see how any of these three are suspicious. I'm not going to make a deciding vote for someone to be killed when I think they are probably innocent. I don't want to be the reason a townie dies. If it comes down to having to make a deciding vote then I will but I'd rather not. it makes me uncomfortable which is just my personality.
After a wrong hunch last time I played I'm feeling very uneasy. I was the reason the townies lost and I don't want a repeat of that.
Because I have a feeling that eap and viking are townies?
Am I not making sense?
I won't be surprised if you say yes, I'm very tired and not feeling well.
Oh, and I'm really terrible at this game so we'll probably only win if people don't listen to me lol
There are even more posts by Sarah in Day 1 where she has feelings/suspicions/etc on who is and who isn't Mafia, which may have led to the Mafia picking up that she was the real Inspector.
I know full well as I post this that it sounds crazy, but I feel that it needed to be pointed out as a possibility.
The set up is there. There is a very good chance that CSTNZ will/could be voted off this round. Say SFA/Mafia whack me this round.
That would leave SFA/Viking/nic.
Viking trusts SFA, and at that point it would be very easy for SFA to convince viking to vote off nic.
^^^ Duddits, I must say this is strange timing. Especially considering that Bacon was whacked instead of me. I think everyone reading along figured that Bacon or I would be the two whacked in night 3 and 4. I could see them keeping me alive after Viking started to second guess things. Now you are possible trying to turn everyone against me. Maybe you aren't but it sure seems that way after reading that. Remember, I'm the one that said you and CST were less suspicious then the other possible suspects.
Let's start with Bacon. Bacon and I had a strong voting block going into the 4th round. What possible reason would we have for whacking a mafia member 2 nights in a row? I've never seen mafia kill another mafia member when they clearly have the advantage going late into the game. Bacon and I could have both made it through the 4th round and won the game You've seen me talk circles around people. We could have whacked Viking and gotten CST voted off. No way would I make such a risky move in that situation.
The reason RDK was in trouble was because I voted against him and other followed suit. He came out as inspector because of something I did. What would the mafia angle even be here? Also, remember Bacon and RDK both said I was possible mafia in the first round. Bacon even said the inspector should ask about both of us. Why would we all openly bring attention to each other like that?
Because I have a feeling that eap and viking are townies?
Am I not making sense?
I won't be surprised if you say yes, I'm very tired and not feeling well.
Oh, and I'm really terrible at this game so we'll probably only win if people don't listen to me lol
There are even more posts by Sarah in Day 1 where she has feelings/suspicions/etc on who is and who isn't Mafia, which may have led to the Mafia picking up that she was the real Inspector.
I know full well as I post this that it sounds crazy, but I feel that it needed to be pointed out as a possibility.
I think Bacon and Viking have the best explanation as to why the mafia might have thought Sarah was inspector. Her posts do not in any way point to RDK, Bacon or I. I think she quoted me for her reason for voting for EAP and that's the only time she mentioned any of us. If the three of us were mafia we would have no real reason to suspect Sarah. If anything Sarah and I seemed to have fairly similar ideas early in the game. There is absolutely nothing in her post that would make the mafia think they could fake inspector that early in the game and not get called out on it. At this point, it's pretty obvious RDK was the inspector.
Round 1 final talley Sarah >>> CSTNZ >>> EAPWhacked night one SFA >>> EAP >>> CSTNZ >>> EAP Cleared by the inspector nic >>> viking>>>EAP WLViking >> CSTNZ >>> EAP Baconus66 >>> EAP >>> CSTNZ >>> EAP >>> Null >>> EAPWhacked night three RDK >>> EAP Whacked night two
CSTNZ >>> Viking >>> EAP >>> Viking roonectar>>> CSTNZ >>> vikingVoted off in the second round CMP >>> CSTNZ >>> Vikingvoted off in the third round Duddits >>> EAP >>> Viking EAP>>>>CSTNZ>>>Viking>>>Null >>> Viking >>> Null >>> Viking voted off in the first round
Round 2: Votes right before RDK came out as Inspector Day 2 Votes:
RDK - 4 roonectar - 3 CSTNZ - 1 Bacon - 1
CSTNZ >>> Viking >>> bacon >>> Null >>> RDK Nic >>> CSTNZ >>> RDK CMPMGCTRCKS >>> Bacon >>> Null >>> RDKVoted off in third round SFA >>> RDK Cleared by inspector
I can see the argument that the Bacon whack could be to set CST up but every whacked player has voted for him. That's not a good sign.
That could also explain why I'm still alive over Bacon because I have sort of defended him. If CST is mafia then I'd be better off alive then Bacon from a mafia stand point.
I'm not trying to point anyone at you, SFA. I really do promise you that. I still want to believe 100% that RDK was the real Inspector. Even reading back through the entire game I admit, wholeheartedly that my whim is just that, a whim. At multiple points in my above post I advised and still do that this is highly unlikely. I don't plan on voting for you. In fact I even stated that this would be the most ballsy chance any grouping of Mafia would/have taken since I started playing in August. I just don't know. I fear that the Townies will lose. We've only given a few 'what if RDk is lying scenarios". Even I myself questioned viking and his post right prior to Day/Night 3 ending.
I just don't know. I want to believe with the hardest of hearts that you are innocent. I can't find a single post made by you that can add or lead to my crazy thoughts in the above post, I really can't. Like I said, I highly doubt its fact. I mean that. I just find it odd with Bacon being whacked. The only person that has vocally been against Bacon is CSTNZ.
If RDK is telling the truth, and you are innocent, it also leads me to believe that CSTNZ is not alone. There is absolutely NO WAY that CSTNZ is the last remaining Mafia and collectively they decide to whack Bacon last round. That leads right to CSTNZ's doorstep, which means if RDK was Inspector, and you are innocent, there is at least one other Mafia alive alongside CSTNZ.
You make a very, very valid point. I said it above, I hate to throw you in the realm of possibility.
With that, and my logic even. If we vote out CSTNZ and he is Mafia, there is still a chance that there are two Mafia and two Townies that would remain.
If thats the case then the Mafia still win, because they can whack the other Townie and make it 2 Mafia to 1 Townie,
If there is only one Mafia left, and it so happens to be CSTNZ, and he is voted off obviously the Mafia win.
This, I feel either way is going to be the determining round of votes.
I'd like to get the remaining players thoughts as well.
EDIT: If we vote out CSTNZ and he is Mafia, there is still a chance that there is one Mafia left and two Townies that would remain.
If thats the case then the Mafia can still win, because they can whack the other Townie and make it 1 Mafia to 2 Townies.
quack me and my drunk ass attempt to type at 5 in the morning after after my birthday.
Please read the above post with my two ammendments, as that is what I fuggin meant to type all along.
Yes, we could very well have two mafia members left and could loose if they are setting up CST but if they were setting him up I think they would have whacked me and kept Bacon alive for the obvious vote.
If we are looking at the same situation as last game then one of the mafia probably split votes in the first round and voted for EAP. Like she did to Surf in that one. So that means Nic or Viking.
I need to reconsider Viking I guess because I don't find Nic that suspicious besides where he falls in the voting. Which isn't hard proof because I'm innocent and I voted the same way that round.
They pretty much have to kill me in the next night because going with any other whack makes the breakdown way to easy to find the last one.
Just a question. Can dead Mafia.members still pm the living ones? What is making me nervous is that it all LOOKS so obvious.
Yes
This seems unfair. It should be like the townies. If townies are killed, the town no longer gets the benefit of their opinion. The same should go for the mafia. If one of them die, they are dead. No more PMs or contact with the other mafia members in any way related to the game.
Wow. Okay, so it is quite clear to me that the mafia is trying to set me up. All I can say right now is do you guys really think that if I were mafia, I would go after (and the other mafia would agree to go after) the person that voted for me EVERY round.
As far as who is mafia, I think we have made some grave mistakes. We now know that at least one of the people we voted off is not mafia, obviously. I think that person was roonectar, and also possibly CMP. For now we will still assume that RDK was the real inspector. Which means that only SFA is 100% in the clear.
I just really hope nobody thinks I'm so bad at this game that I would be mafia and still be responsible for the whacks that have occured. I haven't yet got the chance to be mafia, but when I am, I think I'll be just a LITTLE bit more discreet than whacking every person that shoots a vote my way.
So I was obviously wrong about bacon, unless he was a theatrical sacrifice (not impossible) but for right now we'll assume he and everyone else who was whacked was a townie.
So, right now we have something that looks like this
Inspector: RDK
Known Townies: Sarah, Bacon, RDK, SFA
Likely Mafia: EAP
So everyone else is suspect besides SFA, and thats assuming that RDK was the real inspector.
This post really hasn't helped everyone I'm just kind of getting my thoughts out there. I'll think more about this and get back to you guys.
I will say that I think the Sarah whack was made to confuse the townies and was simply a coincidence that she voted for me (especially since she made the final vote for EAP, thus taking her vote off of me and making the final vote against EAP, so that could obviously be viewed as a revenge whack from EAP) but I think the other two were definitely set up to make me look like I have blood on my hands. I really don't have any factual arguments to persuade you guys away from this assumption, I just kind of have to hope that you see through the mafias kind of obvious plan to get me voted off.
I hate to start going down this road but what if RDK wasnt the real inspector? If thats the case we're pretty much fucked.
This seems unfair. It should be like the townies. If townies are killed, the town no longer gets the benefit of their opinion. The same should go for the mafia. If one of them die, they are dead. No more PMs or contact with the other mafia members in any way related to the game.
Why bring this up now? Sort of weird. How did you not already know this is how it works?
Also, everytime I've been mafia at least one of the members is barely involved because of work or whatever. It's usually just two members making all the calls. I think that's fair because there are always a townie or so that doesn't do jack shit either. Sort of evens things out.
..... but I think the other two were definitely set up to make me look like I have blood on my hands. I really don't have any factual arguments to persuade you guys away from this assumption, I just kind of have to hope that you see through the mafias kind of obvious plan to get me voted off.
You think RDK was whacked to make you look suspicious? Really? That's the only reason he was whacked? He couldn't be inspector? It was the main goal of maifa to keep you around until the forth round to make you look guilty?
Bacon as well. You do realize that we had the mafia down to a certain group of players and that Bacon and I were the obvious choices of the mafia whack. The only real question is why Bacon over me, etc. As in, why choose the alley of the cleared player over the one the inspector said was innocent.
I hate to start going down this road but what if RDK wasnt the real inspector? If thats the case we're pretty much quacked.
Did you read what Duddits and I said above? Like at all? You aren't charting new territory here. This has already been discussed. This sounds like a deflection to me and that's coming from someone who has sticken up for you.
This seems unfair. It should be like the townies. If townies are killed, the town no longer gets the benefit of their opinion. The same should go for the mafia. If one of them die, they are dead. No more PMs or contact with the other mafia members in any way related to the game.
Why bring this up now? Sort of weird. How did you not already know this is how it works?
Also, everytime I've been mafia at least one of the members is barely involved because of work or whatever. It's usually just two members making all the calls. I think that's fair because there are always a townie or so that doesn't do jack poop either. Sort of evens things out.
I bring it up since I really didn't know. And I still think if you are dead you should stay dead. Mafia or not. I think it should be considered after the game. And sfa, if you think it is suspicious, you can look back to earlier in this game and see I thought they were already dead. Remember this is only my second game.
Why bring this up now? Sort of weird. How did you not already know this is how it works?
Also, everytime I've been mafia at least one of the members is barely involved because of work or whatever. It's usually just two members making all the calls. I think that's fair because there are always a townie or so that doesn't do jack poop either. Sort of evens things out.
I bring it up since I really didn't know. And I still think if you are dead you should stay dead. Mafia or not. I think it should be considered after the game. And sfa, if you think it is suspicious, you can look back to earlier in this game and see I thought they were already dead. Remember this is only my second game.
I don't find it suspicious. I just figured you would already know this with all of the reading you've done. That's all.
I can see your point but it's not like that could really be regulated anyway.
I bring it up since I really didn't know. And I still think if you are dead you should stay dead. Mafia or not. I think it should be considered after the game. And sfa, if you think it is suspicious, you can look back to earlier in this game and see I thought they were already dead. Remember this is only my second game.
I don't find it suspicious. I just figured you would already know this with all of the reading you've done. That's all.
I can see your point but it's not like that could really be regulated anyway.
It is never mentioned, so I assumed but assumed wrong. Worth talking about after.
I am on a mobile in between meetings so this has to be short. I will post more tonight, but there are few holes in duddits model. I said last round we should have killed cstnz when we still had a margin of error. The only 2 people who could have been inspector were Sarah and RDK. EAP would have said something the 2nd time she got close to being killed. I don't think her defense included coming out as inspector. Regardless, both potential inspectors fingered cstnz. Everyone who has died has voted for him.
Also duddits I am maybe the MOST suspicious of SFA and never follow people easy. Bacon taking credit pissed me off since I had the same conclusion and voted the same.
..... but I think the other two were definitely set up to make me look like I have blood on my hands. I really don't have any factual arguments to persuade you guys away from this assumption, I just kind of have to hope that you see through the mafias kind of obvious plan to get me voted off.
You think RDK was whacked to make you look suspicious? Really? That's the only reason he was whacked? He couldn't be inspector? It was the main goal of maifa to keep you around until the forth round to make you look guilty?
Bacon as well. You do realize that we had the mafia down to a certain group of players and that Bacon and I were the obvious choices of the mafia whack. The only real question is why Bacon over me, etc. As in, why choose the alley of the cleared player over the one the inspector said was innocent.
I hate to start going down this road but what if RDK wasnt the real inspector? If thats the case we're pretty much quacked.
Did you read what Duddits and I said above? Like at all? You aren't charting new territory here. This has already been discussed. This sounds like a deflection to me and that's coming from someone who has sticken up for you.
No actually, I'm sorry. I posted that today without having read what anyone really said.
I was just saying that bacon was adamantly campaigning against me and I think that the whack was made to look like I am mafia instead of whoever actually is mafia. I wasn't trying to re-hash already covered ground with the RDK thing either, like I said I just hadn't read much that was said above what I posted. I know that RDK was obviously whacked because he was inspector but he also said that he thought I might be possible mafia, so it would fit in with anyones theories about how everyone that was whacked could be tied to me so that's why I was mentioning it.
I am on a mobile in between meetings so this has to be short. I will post more tonight, but there are few holes in duddits model. I said last round we should have killed cstnz when we still had a margin of error. The only 2 people who could have been inspector were Sarah and RDK. EAP would have said something the 2nd time she got close to being killed. I don't think her defense included coming out as inspector. Regardless, both potential inspectors fingered cstnz. Everyone who has died has voted for him.
Also duddits I am maybe the MOST suspicious of SFA and never follow people easy. Bacon taking credit pissed me off since I had the same conclusion and voted the same.
I will vote when I get home tonight.
People keep saying this but sarah only voted for me to keep her vote non-decisive. Her final vote was for EAP, she never put me in any real danger, she never said she thought I was guilty, so I don't get why you are saying that she thought I was suspicious. She wasn't whacked because she voted for me when it didn't matter, she was whacked because she voted EAP off.
Also duddits I am maybe the MOST suspicious of SFA and never follow people easy. Bacon taking credit pissed me off since I had the same conclusion and voted the same.