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I'm obviously out next round for going after who I feel is the most suspicious (EAP) so I will go ahead and post this.
If Viking is mafia: Viking RDK Bacon
If EAP is mafia: EAP SFA Sarah or CMP
Do you really think we would be so vocal if we were tied to viking? We would have distanced ourselves long ago like SFA & Sarah did and fall quiet until the next round. They also conveniently placed their votes on CST so EAP could have a safety net which she obviously doesn't need now. I think Sarah may be innocent and just not able to keep up with the game as much but SFA usually votes with good reason instead of "going with the person with least votes".
Last Edit: Mar 26, 2012 14:17:51 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
RDK why are you so hellbent on EAP?? The two logical reasons are that you are Mafia, and EAP is not. Or you are Inspector, and EAP was your name given. Now if you are Inspector, and EAP was your given name, I would figure you would want to stay subtle, but you are full-blown chompin away on having EAP out of here in Round 1, which would put alot of Mafia focus on you as possible Inspector, which as a Townie I don't want. If you are truly voting EAP out as a Townie, why are you so certain she is the most likely to be Mafia over Viking and CSTNZ?
Viking I still don't find you highly suspicious. I didn't play beside you last game, but unless you are the Inspector or Mafia, your facts and probabilities about who is and who isn't potential Mafia is all just guessing at this point in the game. The only thing that seems suspicious to me about you is that you have already made comments and theories about ALOT of people this game, and as a Townie I'm just not comfortable with that.
My vote is staying the same, however these are the questions I raise regarding both of your comments about my vote and reasoning.
RDK why are you so hellbent on EAP?? The two logical reasons are that you are Mafia, and EAP is not. Or you are Inspector, and EAP was your name given. Now if you are Inspector, and EAP was your given name, I would figure you would want to stay subtle, but you are full-blown chompin away on having EAP out of here in Round 1, which would put alot of Mafia focus on you as possible Inspector, which as a Townie I don't want. If you are truly voting EAP out as a Townie, why are you so certain she is the most likely to be Mafia over Viking and CSTNZ?
Viking I still don't find you highly suspicious. I didn't play beside you last game, but unless you are the Inspector or Mafia, your facts and probabilities about who is and who isn't potential Mafia is all just guessing at this point in the game. The only thing that seems suspicious to me about you is that you have already made comments and theories about ALOT of people this game, and as a Townie I'm just not comfortable with that.
My vote is staying the same, however these are the questions I raise regarding both of your comments about my vote and reasoning.
At this point all this is just guessing. The only people who aren't are mafia and inspector.
RDK why are you so hellbent on EAP?? The two logical reasons are that you are Mafia, and EAP is not. Or you are Inspector, and EAP was your name given. Now if you are Inspector, and EAP was your given name, I would figure you would want to stay subtle, but you are full-blown chompin away on having EAP out of here in Round 1, which would put alot of Mafia focus on you as possible Inspector, which as a Townie I don't want. If you are truly voting EAP out as a Townie, why are you so certain she is the most likely to be Mafia over Viking and CSTNZ?
Viking I still don't find you highly suspicious. I didn't play beside you last game, but unless you are the Inspector or Mafia, your facts and probabilities about who is and who isn't potential Mafia is all just guessing at this point in the game. The only thing that seems suspicious to me about you is that you have already made comments and theories about ALOT of people this game, and as a Townie I'm just not comfortable with that.
My vote is staying the same, however these are the questions I raise regarding both of your comments about my vote and reasoning.
This whole damn game is just guessing. You cannot know who anyone else is unless you are mafia or inspector. However, facts are facts. And just to clarify, probabilities are facts too Duddits. And I have mentioned a lot of people because I have talked a lot. Thats how I play. I try to make an EDUCATED guess. If you feel that is a good reason for me to die, then so be it. This assumption that you can't figure anything out in the first round is a bunch of bullsh*t that needs to change, It just takes more work. By waiting to the second round, you have given up your only advantage. Its a big reason why the mafia won so many games in a row.
Just to repeat, you cannot ever know who is and who is not mafia until the very end, unless you got a PM saying you are mafia or you are inspector.
Duddits, please do not look into trends. I was okay with getting voted off last game in the first round against Surf because I didn't think it would hurt us much. You also voted for me the game I went after phil because of why you think Viking is suspicious. EAP is experienced of course she is going to play a townie "trend".
In essence this is asking me to not look at past games and how players have played those past games.
EAP is playing a lot like she did last game so for right now I am going with her until I hear more or see something more damning from the other 2.
rdk >>> EAP
You are doing it as well this game.
My only question is that pouring through EAP's responses to the Mafia accusations don't make her appear anymore Mafia than Viking or CSTNZ in my opinion. So how do you go from:
Thank you RDK and Viking for responding to my questions, and in a timely manner. I really do appreciate that in this game. Viking I respect your reasoning, and I'm not trying to sit here and say you're full of sh*t with your projections and fact finding.
RDK I'm not trying to start anything with you either, I know this is looking at past games, but you are playing the same way you had the last time we played together. I don't paint you as Mafia right now.
My fear with the educated guessing this early on and this in depth is that IF the Townies guess wrong, the Mafia are at a far greater advantage. Not only because we are down two Townies, but also because it starts to paint the path as fact and future decisions tend to be made based on the past decisions in the game. I learned this the hard way by campaigning against RDK a few games back, had him voted off as "Mafia", only to find out at game's end that he was Townie all along.
Thank you RDK and Viking for responding to my questions, and in a timely manner. I really do appreciate that in this game. Viking I respect your reasoning, and I'm not trying to sit here and say you're full of sh*t with your projections and fact finding.
RDK I'm not trying to start anything with you either, I know this is looking at past games, but you are playing the same way you had the last time we played together. I don't paint you as Mafia right now.
My fear with the educated guessing this early on and this in depth is that IF the Townies guess wrong, the Mafia are at a far greater advantage. Not only because we are down two Townies, but also because it starts to paint the path as fact and future decisions tend to be made based on the past decisions in the game. I learned this the hard way by campaigning against RDK a few games back, had him voted off as "Mafia", only to find out at game's end that he was Townie all along.
That is a problem with or without educated guesses. I am about to be killed and I am a townie. Our advantage lies in finding out as much as we can and killing the person who is most suspicious. However, you do bring up a lesson that I learned last game about not being so invested in your theory that you put blinders on. I was wrong on all 3 people I thought it was in the first game because I didn't heed that lesson. I am not being as emphatic about who I think is guilty this time.
I feel that EAP is the most suspicious, so I am going to vote for her. I am very comfortable with my decision to do so. Don't just follow me if you think I am wrong. SFA actually walked me through where he thought I was wrong last game, which helped show he was a townie to me. So far, no one has done that this game except to a certain extent, CSTNZ, which contributed to my switching my vote off him. I have outlined why I am voting the way I am. There is really nothing more I can do.
How about a compromise. Will any VV voters be willing to change to CSTNZ to force a run-off. I really think we need to see Sarah and SFA vote to have a chance here
^if i was mafia and sarah/SFA were too, do you really think they'd let themselves stand out so much? don't you think one of my fellow mafioso would at least vote for viking as to not stand out so much?? that'd be some pretty bad playing on our part.
i've answered everyone's questions and have only said mild accusations. some of the rest of you are making some pretty wild/strong accusations and then not answering anyone's questions. i am still not understanding how i am coming off as the suspicious one here??
^if i was mafia and sarah/SFA were too, do you really think they'd let themselves stand out so much? don't you think one of my fellow mafioso would at least vote for viking as to not stand out so much?? that'd be some pretty bad playing on our part.
i've answered everyone's questions and have only said mild accusations. some of the rest of you are making some pretty wild/strong accusations and then not answering anyone's questions. i am still not understanding how i am coming off as the suspicious one here??
This is why are you are mafia right here. Both you and CMP voted for me. The other one is going to be the experienced lurker. And every single one of your damn questions has been answered. Why the hell do you keep saying that? I am going to die tonight, but as I said this morning, I am not going without a fight. Townies, please, please reread this thread. If you still think I should die, then fine. But make EAP answer the questions that were asked of her before you kill me. All she does is twist what you say to her and say it right back!
PS Sarah I know you logged in I still want to know why your hiding behind your vote for CSTNZ
I got an email saying I received two Pm's and yes I checked them. I can use my phone to log into inforoo which is what I'm doing right now because I'm in the car with Mike going shopping for his dad's birthday which is tomorrow.
I prefaced this game with the information that I can't read through/ post on inforoo until after at least 5 during the week. that post is on the last page of the last Mafia thread.
I find this particular game difficult to keep up with because of the shear number of posts. I remember when there would be hardly any activity during Mafia games on the weekends. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Bonnaroo is only a few months away.
I don't think there is a correct vote at this point because I don't see how any of these three are suspicious. I'm not going to make a deciding vote for someone to be killed when I think they are probably innocent. I don't want to be the reason a townie dies. If it comes down to having to make a deciding vote then I will but I'd rather not. it makes me uncomfortable which is just my personality.
After a wrong hunch last time I played I'm feeling very uneasy. I was the reason the townies lost and I don't want a repeat of that.
PS Sarah I know you logged in I still want to know why your hiding behind your vote for CSTNZ
I got an email saying I received two Pm's and yes I checked them. I can use my phone to log into inforoo which is what I'm doing right now because I'm in the car with Mike going shopping for his dad's birthday which is tomorrow.
I prefaced this game with the information that I can't read through/ post on inforoo until after at least 5 during the week. that post is on the last page of the last Mafia thread.
I find this particular game difficult to keep up with because of the shear number of posts. I remember when there would be hardly any activity during Mafia games on the weekends. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Bonnaroo is only a few months away.
I don't think there is a correct vote at this point because I don't see how any of these three are suspicious. I'm not going to make a deciding vote for someone to be killed when I think they are probably innocent. I don't want to be the reason a townie dies. If it comes down to having to make a deciding vote then I will but I'd rather not. it makes me uncomfortable which is just my personality.
After a wrong hunch last time I played I'm feeling very uneasy. I was the reason the townies lost and I don't want a repeat of that.
I am a townie, and your not changing your vote is going to kill me.
i've answered everyone's questions and have only said mild accusations. some of the rest of you are making some pretty wild/strong accusations and then not answering anyone's questions. i am still not understanding how i am coming off as the suspicious one here??
You have definitely not answered everyone's questions. You forgot to tell me which question I failed to answer of yours btw since you obviously ignored that.
I am pretty frustrated with this game. I am not 100% on EAP but I have no fucking clue how some of you have claimed to read through this thread and fail to find EAP more suspicious than Viking or CSTNZ.
If you think both are townies, why would you keep EAP over Viking? She is way more manipulative and experienced at being mafia so I can almost assure you that you guys are getting played hard. Viking is less experienced and if he turns out to be mafia I think it would be easier to uncover. Viking's playing style is more valuable for a townie role imo since he actually analyzes and breaks things down. EAP has only twisted words and avoided posting anything of real substance which is great when you need to manipulate people like right now.
I said I would change my vote to viking when I got home from class to end this round but fuck that. I would never be able to stomach getting rid of 2 townies for sure over taking a chance on someone that is suspicious. If you guys want to keep us townies in this, please reconsider your vote for Viking or CSTNZ.
I'm not voting until I hear from at least SFA even if that means my vote not counting (not like it matters). Of course both SFA and Sarah hide behind hidden log-in
I've had my status hidden for like two years. And as always, I pretty much never get on the net until 7/8ish. Just FYI.
Inspector I changed my mind. If you care about my opinion try asking about either player that is hiding behind pointless votes, SFA or Sarah. My money would be SFA
I don't find that to be hiding. I gave my reason to CST. I was interested in seeing what other players would do between the choice of Viking and EAP.
For one thing, it's far to early in the game to be certain about any of the three of them. I felt that the way EAP was getting stacked on earlier in the weekend was a good sign she was probably a townie. This isn't the first time I've switched off of someone in the first round for that exact reason. Heck, last game Viking and I were up to be in the first round runoff and I reminded everyone that the mafia rarely end up in the first runoff and almost never get voted out. So people switched votes around and we actually ended up killing a mafia member by luck. That was pretty much my thought process for switching.
And I think it's sort of insane that 3 people are calling me potential mafia because of this. I'm one of the reasons EAP got in the runoff to begin with. What would have been more shady is if I switched to keep her out of the runoff.
bacon. Also, I said I might switch back if I felt keeping EAP around was just going to muddy the waters later in the game. That seems to be what's going to happen. Even still, now that three of you think I'm somehow suspicious you'd probably accuse me of voting for her to distance myself.
I'm not voting until I hear from at least SFA even if that means my vote not counting (not like it matters). Of course both SFA and Sarah hide behind hidden log-in
I've had my status hidden for like two years. And as always, I pretty much never get on the net until 7/8ish. Just FYI.
Inspector I changed my mind. If you care about my opinion try asking about either player that is hiding behind pointless votes, SFA or Sarah. My money would be SFA
And I think it's sort of insane that 3 people are calling me potential mafia because of this. I'm one of the reasons EAP got in the runoff to begin with. What would have been more shady is if I switched to keep her out of the runoff.
If I had of known the runoff was starting and my vote for EAP was going to put her in it I would have probably have made a random switch because that helped the townies last game. When we shook up the original runoff votes.
And the vote stacks were intentional cause they have no meaning now. EAP has also nulled a couple of times to make the numbers look against her until someone vote changes and then she goes back.
bacon. Also, I said I might switch back if I felt keeping EAP around was just going to muddy the waters later in the game. That seems to be what's going to happen. Even still, now that three of you think I'm somehow suspicious you'd probably accuse me of voting for her to distance myself.
As I said and proved last game, I would keep an open mind. I have no other way to show I am a townie, but I am one again. Up to you what you want to do.
Alright, As I said, I don't mind dying. Once I am dead I can't say anything to help you guys, so here is my parting advice. Go back and READ. The mafia make mistakes. Sometimes, a lot of them. You need to read to find them. If you want to win this game, it takes work. I have said everything else I need to say, and you have all made your choices. Goodnight.
I've had my status hidden for like two years. And as always, I pretty much never get on the net until 7/8ish. Just FYI.
And I think it's sort of insane that 3 people are calling me potential mafia because of this. I'm one of the reasons EAP got in the runoff to begin with. What would have been more shady is if I switched to keep her out of the runoff.
If I had of known the runoff was starting and my vote for EAP was going to put her in it I would have probably have made a random switch because that helped the townies last game. When we shook up the original runoff votes.
What of it? I probably would have. I've been known to do that in the first round.
And the vote stacks were intentional cause they have no meaning now. EAP has also nulled a couple of times to make the numbers look against her until someone vote changes and then she goes back.
True on the null votes. I was confused by that last night.
I've read over everything and here is the thing. RDK you do make some good points. Especially on which player would be more helpful. I don't know if she is innocent but I think she probably is. I think at this point EAP will probably end up getting voted off in the next few rounds if she survives this one. So that would possible be another round the townies waste voting off an innocent.. Viking seems to be playing the same as last game and he hasn't cause the same reaction as EAP.
I think the best thing to do is keep Viking and CST around. If for no other reason, just so we don't get bogged down debating about EAP . At this point it would be a dangerous distraction.
And the vote stacks were intentional cause they have no meaning now. EAP has also nulled a couple of times to make the numbers look against her until someone vote changes and then she goes back.
True on the null votes. I was confused by that last night.
I've read over everything and here is the thing. RDK you do make some good points. Especially on which player would be more helpful. I don't know if she is innocent but I think she probably is. I think at this point EAP will probably end up getting voted off in the next few rounds if she survives this one. So that would possible be another round the townies waste voting off an innocent.. Viking seems to be playing the same as last game and he hasn't cause the same reaction as EAP.
I think the best thing to do is keep Viking and CST around. If for no other reason, just so we don't get bogged down debating about EAP . At this point it would be a dangerous distraction.
Sorry EAP.
SFA >>> EAP >>> CST >>> EAP
SFA....really???? you do realize that bacon did THE EXACT SAME THING with the nulling??? but once again, RDK did not address bacon at all. how does that not seem like they are ganging up on me?
i agree on the bogged down after this round, but i was kind of hoping people would see that the only ones that are concerned with me are bacon and RDK, with no real evidence.
what you are basically telling me is that i suck as a player since you think viking/constanza would be more help. if that's true, then why am i even playing?