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We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Really LLL? I wanted to kill Phi early in the game even when everyone was calling me an idiot. The patterns you are pulling are coming from the chaos I caused.
I have admitted when I was wrong, voted for people I feel are mafia, and was one of the first to think you were the real inspector.
I am a townie and although I played in a very unconventional way, it looks like it worked. I can understand if you don't believe me, so ask about me if you need to, but it would be a waste.
I am not decided on Phi or mike D at this point, but I am pretty sure it is between them or Nic.
If you have any questions that I can clarify for you, please feel free to ask. I have been an open book this game, and can clarify anything I said or did.
I went thorough and read all of Abra's posts with the mindset that she was inspector and here is where I am at.
Abra called out RDK, Nick, and Surf to get the discussion going, as these three had only posted their original vote.
With Viking Surfbum, & SFA currently in runnoff, she changes her vote from Viking (her original voting partner) to RDK to "see what happens" and puts RDK as a third runnoff. RDK quickly changes his vote off of me to Surf to save his butt.
Later, Abra states she is fine with her vote on RDK. The RDK voters are Abra, Phi, and I. Phi then calls out Abra and I as mafia.
To me, this is what it looks like - if Abra was inspector, by what she posted, most likely had RDK's name. Phi was pushing back at Abra a little bit which leads me to believe that Phi and RDK would be working together. That is how I see the mafia kill. With that . .
Mike D >> Phi
This happened before EAP was trying to distance Mike D from the rest of them, before she threw Mike under the bus to try to save their partner. Here he is already on Phi, so he truly seems less tied to Phi, and is incriminating him.
Remember, RDK is not Mafia. Why would he start trying to make us suspect his own partner so early in the game?
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Mar 21, 2012 21:29:07 GMT -5
I think that would be helpful Viking
I just can't help but finding connections with you and Mike D. And Mike D is the only other person who voted for Phi when it was EAP and Phi in the runoff. So it is pretty obviously him. The 3rd Mafia voted for EAP. Whether it be Phi because he had no choice or you.
I REALLY don't think it is Nic. If you do think it is him, please point out why.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
And you did nothing to make me feel I should change. In fact, you did the opposite.
Three people in a row voted for Surf near the end of round one. You didn't feel the need to say anything about that.
Again, everything happened pretty fast yesterday. I don't feel your posts did a very good job of making a case for yourself. I'd say it's possible the mafia wanted to distance themselves from you. I did the same thing to Bonzai in the second round the last time I was mafia.
i think you are making a big mistake here.
I'm sorry if I am. This vote is the best I feel I can make, given what little info we have.
Becasue EAP needs to be put out in the open for a whack so we can get more information. If she's whacked, she obvioulsy wasnt Mafia. If we vote her off, we'll never knkow.
I just poked in at lunch to see this BS. Don't have time until I get off work.
Phi, this isn't true. We won't know either way. If she is the real inspector the mafia will whack her. If she is fake she will kill herself. We will not know for sure either way.
If you are a townie then you need to stick around. EAP is dead either way. Better to vote her off because if she is faking, which I'm pretty sure she is. That gives us one more townie for the next round and 3 more rounds to get the last 2.
Like I said she is dead either way. I've stood up for you a pretty dang good bit in this game. So trust me on this. Don't vote yourself off.
I'm not trying to win MVP (I did that last game ), I'm trying to make up for the fact I was a poor sport bc I didn't get my way.
Guys at least let me stay another round. Hell I bet mike d or LLL even whacks themselves to make me look guilty.
What an absolutly lame attempt at coving up the fact that you have to whack LLL now.
It been pretty clear sense the middle of the round that she was inspector. I also thought it might have been Phi. That's why I kept my vote on you but didn't go into full detail as to why. Plus, as I've already said your posts made you look even more guilty.
Everyone if you can't read over this round and see all the flip flopping and back peddling EAP pulled then you are blind.
And there is absolutly no way EAP would have let the round end and let herself die without telling us she was inspector. NO WAY!!! And really. 12 hours of silence last night. You people don't think the mafia were laying low planning this out?????
Well if LLL is claiming CST was a wrong guess. Then if we are to assume EAP is truly the inspector, then CST is most likely the other mafia along with Mike D.
goddang people. Don't self distruct like this. It's beyond amazing that any of you even consider EAP's story plausable.
CST is clearly innocent. I swear to God, if you people vote him off I'll be out this game for the forseeable furture. That's not a wager. I'm just saying that's how enraged I'll be. Just reading the last few pages of this thread have given me a headache.
LLL has already layed out why EAP couldn't be the inspector. I guess I'll have to explain it again.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
My advice for the townies to win would be to stop blindly following people and look at the evidence.
What evidence would that be?
Look at what I've been saying to Viking. He was deadset on Phi, RDK and myself. I was telling him the mafia would try to use this against us. Who is following this line of thinking? You and Mike D. You two started the round with votes for Phi and RDK. And you said the Phi and I could be mafia together. I'm sure it would have continued if things hadn't have been shaken up.
The probability of me being mafia twice in a row is so slim, you guys are cray cray.
O rly?
Mafia 37: Mike D = Mafia Mafia 38: Mike D = Mafia Mafia 39: Mike D = Inspector Mafia 40: Mike D = Mafia
Pretty sure you played in all these games, so you should have clearly known what you are saying here is wrong.
you guys better do whatever SFA says till the end of this game or else you will obviously loose!
????? I haven't said anyone should vote for you. They did that of their own accord but thanks for trying to make it seems like I'm manipulating people.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
This vote was explained in several long posts on this page. The summary was it was my first game, so I chose Abra alphabetically. Once everyone had voted, I moved to SFA to shake things up. I picked him since the first vote was for a 3 letter acronym. No other thought than that. Phi jumped on my vote, but not Mike Ds, so I became suspicious. His actions were different than previous rounds so I voted for him. Later in the round, he changed the way he played, but I never forgot how he started the round. I can quote specific passages I made Day 1 if you need them.
This is where I came up with the theory of Phi, RDK, SFA. Looking back on it, as SFA explained, it is highly unlikely, but I didn't think Surf was guilty, and I thought RDK was more so. You did too at one point, which is why you submitted his name. I was in the total theory. SFA went one to poke holes in it during Night 1. At that point, I decided to step back from it, and take a new look.
In this round, I started off on Phi, but after SFAs explinations, I took a risk, and decided to mentally think of him as a townie. Keep in mind, that RDK and Phi were voting for me even thought they both thought I was a townie to show their displeasure in how I was playing the game. SFA was very supportive of Phi, which I think may have been in part to my posts in the frist round. Since Phi was in the runoff and SFA felt that he was a townie, I backed off to null so we could have a runoff. as I said, I took a step back and watched to try to avoid the mistakes I made in the first round.
Reread, and it looked like EAP was definitely mafia. As I said, I was giving SFA the benefit of the doubt, and since there was no way for us to lose in this round, I was willing to go along, even if I was coming back to Phi the next round. Then EAP came out as fake inspector, and I was one of the first to move to null. I learned in the first round that if you sit there and make a battle emotional, and don't give mafia room to operate, you cannot learn from them, so while I never thought she was inspector, I moved to null, and wanted to hear her logic. Fast forward, and I moved it back to her.
So I finally had time to go back and reread everything a few times, and here is where my head is at:
EAP was te fake inspector. I reread her posts after doing a search (which by the way, the search function on this board sucks) and at no point was she trying to help the townies. I think she was pissed at being outed, and threw her tirade and tried to quit, so that we moved on and no other mafia were fingered. Then, when she couldn't, the mafia got togehter, and figured they would use her to flush out the inspector. They were down to either Mike D or LLL so she said she they were mafia. Thats why they were caught so off guard. We all took a step back to let this play out, and if you remember, EAP let the chaos simmer for a while before coming back on and furthering her story.
When it looked like LLL was going to get voted off, she had to come out. She was suspicious of Mike D because of the way he was playing too, so she named him as well. Go back and read EAPs posts during this time. She is back having fun with the game at this point instead of pissed like the night before. LLL seems genuinly angry about all of this. Since there is so much confusion about who the real inspector was, they killed SFA because he saw right through all of this.
If my theory is correct, then Me, RDK and CSNTZ are townies. LLL is inspector. And some twosome of Phi, Nic, Mike D are the mafia.
Thats all I could do right now. Now I am going to go back and try to tease out which 2 in addition to EAP.
I posted this today. This is why I think SFA was killed. It is also an alternative to Mike D definitely being mafia vs phi and nic. In the end, I voted for phi, since I have always thought he was mafia, and everyone else was starting to see what I was seeing, Mainly, the lack of facts, and random accusations.
He may or may not be, I can't be certain. But in that trio is the last of the mafia. I have not had a chance to go back and tease out the 2 I think it is, but I will do so tonight, since I said I would. Also note, that instead of just killing phi, because I believed you were inspector, I moved to Mike D so we could have a runoff. I dont know if anyone else would have moved off Phi to create a runoff, but because I believed you, I moved off the person I thought was mafia most of the game.
All I am asking for from you is to use your question on one of the other 2. That way, if you live, you will know who it is Day 4. If you die, we can sort them out from our end. I am not asking you to think I am innocent. You can't know for sure until you ask the judge. Just please, use your question on one of the other 2.
I went thorough and read all of Abra's posts with the mindset that she was inspector and here is where I am at.
Abra called out RDK, Nick, and Surf to get the discussion going, as these three had only posted their original vote.
With Viking Surfbum, & SFA currently in runnoff, she changes her vote from Viking (her original voting partner) to RDK to "see what happens" and puts RDK as a third runnoff. RDK quickly changes his vote off of me to Surf to save his butt.
Later, Abra states she is fine with her vote on RDK. The RDK voters are Abra, Phi, and I. Phi then calls out Abra and I as mafia.
To me, this is what it looks like - if Abra was inspector, by what she posted, most likely had RDK's name. Phi was pushing back at Abra a little bit which leads me to believe that Phi and RDK would be working together. That is how I see the mafia kill. With that . .
Mike D >> Phi
This happened before EAP was trying to distance Mike D from the rest of them, before she threw Mike under the bus to try to save their partner. Here he is already on Phi, so he truly seems less tied to Phi, and is incriminating him.
Remember, RDK is not Mafia. Why would he start trying to make us suspect his own partner so early in the game?
Mind you, this is after Phi was already calling me out as mafia. If I know i'm innocent, someone is calling me mafia, and I see a connection like that with the kill, yes I am going to go with it.
I just can't help but finding connections with you and Mike D. And Mike D is the only other person who voted for Phi when it was EAP and Phi in the runoff. So it is pretty obviously him. The 3rd Mafia voted for EAP. Whether it be Phi because he had no choice or you.
I REALLY don't think it is Nic. If you do think it is him, please point out why.
When there are that many votes stacked up on EAP, why would I add another, particularly when I felt pretty good about my suspicions on Phi, at least up until I knew EAP was mafia. I did the same thing this round too. I have been following what I have felt are good leads on mafia and sticking with it. I could have easily tried to seal Phi's fate after he voted for himself, but unlike EAP, I am not 100% on Phi being mafia, but pretty darn close.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Mar 21, 2012 23:34:11 GMT -5
I think we should go with the safe bet. The majority of us agree it is Mike D. There are 7 of us left, 2 are Mafia. If we vote off Phi, and we are wrong, the Mafia kills one of us off and then we are left at 3 townies, 2 Mafia. If we then go for Mike D, vote him off then the Mafia kills one of us the last round is 2 townies, 1 Mafia. Those two townies have to pray to god they get it right then or we lose.
If we vote off Mike D, they kill one of us off. We are left with 4 to 1. Then we have a better chance of getting it right in the remaining rounds because we have more voting pattern to go off of.
Most of us thought Mike D was Mafia for sure. It is always better to have run-off, so we had one. Phi really talked himself in a corner, and I'm not convinced he is NOT Mafia. However, Viking thinks it might be Nic, Nic thinks it might be Viking.....etc etc. But we can all pretty much agree on Mike D.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Something else to consider, if i am mafia, why the hell would I vote for Nic and not Phi? I had a good feeling it would be me and Phi in the runoff, LLL and the two cleared townies are obviously on the same page with each other, I would have to have both Viking and Nic voting with me to have any chance. I do like to try to think outside the box, but I'm not an idiot when it comes to the numbers game.
LLL, please look at my theory as to why EAP outed you and Mike D before you decide he is the one you want voted off. I feel much better killing Phi than I do Mike D at this point. I am reading through both Nic and Mike D's posts right now, and will post an analysis as soon as I am done for everyone to tear apart. I have not looked at nic's yet, but the first glance at Mike D's looks more townie than Phi, which is all that matters today.
LLL, I think your idea of going with the most likely Mafia member right now and focusing on Phi and/or other mafia later but all I can think about is what if Mike D isn't mafia. At this point, Phi's horrible attempt at pitting us against LLL has me more suspicious than anything Mike D has done.
Ok, I just saw this reviewing the Mike D posts, and will review it when I get back to Nic, but This is an interesting little voting triangle that I never noticed before. Notice the voting pairoff from round 1.
So would it be safe to assume this is your three plausible mafia? Care to entertain us with the reasoning? Or were you just giving us a friendly greeting?
Phi does accuse these 3 of being mafia. 2 of the 3 have shown up innocent at this point.
IF I was a townie, and a "fake" inspector came out and said they had my name as mafia. The FIRST thing I would have said was "Well I know this is 100% bullhonkey because I know I am a townie and since she listed my name, she is 100% lying"
You didnt say that LLL. Neither did you Mike D. You just said bullhonkey.
I've decided EAP is telling the truth.
Seriously Phi, well I know this is 100% bullhonkey because I know I am a townie and since she listed my name, she is 100% lying. Tell me you seriously didn't gather that same friggin point in my post . . . . you got me smh-ing now
With Phi's heavy support of EAP, and calling out Mike D, I am even more unsure of Mike D's mafia status. However, much more sure of Phi's
Post by nicthedick85 on Mar 22, 2012 10:18:38 GMT -5
Phi has accused me and Mike D both. I am not sure he has accused you viking but I could be wrong.
I began to think a while back maybe you and Phi both planned that back and forth between you two in the first round to put distance between yourselves. It is a stretch but it did cross my mind.
At this point I think it is safe to say as of info I have now I think Phi may need to go before Mike D, Then Either you or Mike D need to get voted off in next round. One of you three is a townie I am assuming. So with the votes we have left. As I said before as long as one of you go each round townies should win if LLL is correct.