I would also say (not as a mod) this place is a lot more than just a message board to me. I hope the ones that left will find their way back.
I agree completely. I know the "internet is serious business" meme always gets posted when stuff like this happens, but ya Inforoo is important to me. It is my daily connection to Bonnaroo, an event and place that is very special to me. I often say Bonnaroo changed my life and it is true. I rarely mention the part that Inforoo had in preparing me for my first Bonnaroo and helping me express my feelings about Bonnaroo afterwards, but it was a large part indeed. On top of that my music tastes have evolved and grown vastly since then, with many thanks to the members of Inforoo. Members, many of which, I have met in person and consider friends (and hope they consider me likewise). Many others members who I want greatly to meet at Bonnaroo, Forecastle, or wherever this year. So ya the internet is serious business, say whatever you want but Inforoo is an important part of my life and chances are if you are reading this it is an important part of your life too.
Every one of the guys was a member of something we all love. Every one of them brings a different "flavor" to this board. Every one of them at one point made me laugh, or think, or roll my eyes, and/or want to discover/enjoy/purchase/share new music.
They're family. And sometimes family gets on your last damn nerve. That's just what family does.
I'm gonna miss every single one of 'em. Zapp, man...he's a walking encyclopedia of music. I discovered more bands based on his "Now Playing" posts. And his photography? I'm honored to have some of his prints framed and hanging on my walls. He's good people and will be sorely missed.
Juggs, AWATD, S2, FlanzO, Karosko, and the others (really, Karosko? damn, dude, we were just with you this time last week!) - all of 'em share our common passion: music. And passionate people can make emotion-driven decisions. Maybe a hiatus will do some good...and in time, things will be back on an even keel. Hopefully that will happen; hopefully that day comes sooner than later.
So even if I disagree with your posts, your decisions, your music taste, your friends, your avatar, or whatever else we critique each other about - whether you're a member or a mod - YOU are uniquely awesome in some way. You make this board what it is & I'm glad you're here.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Mar 9, 2012 8:42:23 GMT -5
I have enjoyed inforoo a great deal. Many of the long-time posters here have taught me something about music and festivals. I appreciate that, and although I'm a newbie, I've lurked in the past, the turn inforoo has taken the past few days saddens me.
Many of the people who deactivated had great information for me :-)! And, Bacon, you're really nice and a positive member of this board: you always answered my "newbie" questions and if it wasn't for you and whoreshack, I probably wouldn't be going to Forecastle this year.
As an outsider looking in, I agree with what many people have said here: emotions got out of control and tempers flared way too much. Which, unfortunately, that happens a little too much on inforoo. Sometimes, the silly arguments and condescending, smug, negative comments people make really detract from the awesomeness of this place. I generally ignore these things on here, but sometimes they dominate the conversations and make me wanna not contribute.
This is just an outsider's take on the situation at hand. Overall, inforoo is great! But, some posters take things way too far. I thought this was a great year for most on here with Radiohead/Phish? Shouldn't everyone be happy! :-)
Most of them will be back before Bonnaroo. I don't know why they deleted their accounts, though. Seems overly-dramatic. Just don't log in for a while. Now it's going to be sad for them when they come back, because they acted like they were making a final decision by deleting their accounts. But I have no doubt some of them will be back. Not all, but some will definitely be back.
Get me drunk by 10am and give me a microphone and I will show you an awkward brunch.
I was gonna type how glad I was to see these Quackers gone. Talk about how I know Juggs is smarter than me and that pisses me off, makes me jealous, and how he got me in trouble, because I use to view his old avatar and try to brush the sand off of it, and how that got me in trouble at work. I was gonna say how happy I was Flanzo was gone, because his avatar reminded me of back in the day smoking blunts, playing Spades. Those were some good times! I miss those days. Carefree. Everyday you quacking reminded me of that time and how I missed it. Thanks *name calling*! I was gonna talk about how I am not gonna miss Zapp's awesome hair. How I have dreams of a head of hair like that. I was gonna go on and say some comical reverse psychology 101 type stuff, but I reconsidered.
Sproat might kill us though, especially if there is booze involved.
I just wanted to say something about this whole situation, and it kind of is based off what Bacon said. Over the past two years but especially in the last year, I have grown quite attached to this board and many of the people on it. Some people whose opinions I trust on things more than most of my own friends, and other people who I really would enjoy getting know better. Many of those people left inforoo in the past few days. I sincerely hope they come back, because I do still truly believe that the banning of emoney was 100% vendetta-based and had very little to do with his actual quality as a poster. I think that a select few thin-skinned people here, not just mods, had a vendetta with him, and would actively report posts that most people had absolutely no problem with. I think that annoyed the mods more than his actual posting, and since certain people they personally knew already had a beef with him, they just banned him thinking it would go unnoticed. They figured that people couldn't possibly care THAT much about emoney.
But clearly they did. I'm sorry mods, I understand you were doing what you may have thought was best for the forum, but how do you still not understand that it was wrong? I don't know the specifics of who agrees/disagrees with the ban, but how can you not see that a great deal of your regularly posting community thought it was an unfair overreaction. I don't know if at this point it's just to prove who is in charge, or to prove that mods DON'T make passionate, irrational decisions based on emotion rather than feeling, or just simply to stick to your guns, but regardless, I really believe that it was the wrong thing to do.
And look what it is doing to inforoo. All you people who are saying, "oh they'll be back" or "if they don't come back then good riddance," how can you say this and still claim to be a part of the "inforoo community'? We lost many extremely nice (some not so nice), knowledgable, dedicated posters who clearly loved this board. Doesn't it mean anything to you guys that people who average 50-100 posts a day here find something the mods have done so out-of-line that they actually leave the forum? That means something to me. I think that we were always a free, open minded community who would only censor someone when it was really warrented, I.E the racist tirades in the Wooks v. Brahs thread. We never really got a true explanation of why emoney was banned, or why Bacon was "mistakenly" banned at all. Instead we get posts where several of us get quoted saying things that he "didn't deserve to get banned for," acting like all of these things tallied up to some reprehensible offense.
Finally, I've always loved that this board had two, sometimes more, different sides of vastly varying opinions. That means passionate discussion, and that means that sometimes peoples feathers are going to get ruffled. Some people, like me or Jess (I'm using us both as examples because him and I fight all the time with each other, but neither of us, to my knowledge, has reported each other to the mods or PMed anyone about the other being out of line or anything). We are like fire and water when it comes to most things. As everyone on here knows, we fight all the quacking time. But it's usually about nonsense and at the end of the day we can still have a rational, friendly, reasonable conversation. There is no bad blood, at least on my end, despite the insane amount of arguing we do. Because it's arguing about things we are both passionate about. That is the ONLY thing that emoney and bacon were guilty of, and I still hope that soon, down the road, we can unban him and put this all behind us.
I do not plan to leave this board at this point. However, if things to keep going in this direction, and our mods continue to make unfair decisions based on their personal feelings, and people who genuinely add to this community continue to be banned, even if they do occasionally rub someone the wrong way, I will have to rethink my decision to stay. I love Bonnaroo and I love that I have a place where hundreds of people share that same love, but I think it's completely ridiculous the way that this entire situation has been handled by those who maintain this board.
Sorry for the rant, I'm sure it was tl;dr for most of you and that's totally okay, because it was more me venting than anything. I just sincerely hope that one day I can enjoy posting again with s2, awatd, karosko, juggs, flanzo, and of course, Mr. E. Money.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
I say this with 100% sincerity, I have closer relationships with people from this board than any of my friends off the board. This board has it's own family-like feeling I've never encountered on any other internet forum. For me, the internet IS serious business. We live in a internet wired world, as much as people deny it. You don't need to see someone everyday to maintain friendships.
Post by Enlightened1 on Mar 9, 2012 15:39:24 GMT -5
Wow guess I missed alot of stuff. I have many things going on and decided that going to Wanee suited me more this year, but maybe in a few weeks if tickets are available I might still go to Roo. The bands this year just did not offer a big WOW for me personally. I find it interesting that someone could be banned from this. Really? I mean first there are filters that prevent certain words, but CAN YOU GET IT"S JUST SOMEONES OPINION or not maybe they are just funning to play with your head. I don't need a cleaned up world where everyone is nice much less a cleaned up internet. For those who left, I hope to see you in the real world.