Yeah, I would say Nirvana was definitely at the forefront of the early 90's mainstreaming of alternative rock that effectively killed the 80's rock scene. Sure they were great AltRock bands before then making music, but Nirvana and its peers are what caused the shift in mainstream music circles, radio, etc. Now, the question is if that is actually a huge acheivement. The mainstream alternative rock movement was creatively exhausted quite quickly, and I don't think there's much to laud its founder for since the late 90's. I think it'd best to just look at them as a band, independent of the surrounding shifts in music, and in that respect I would agree with you Juggs, in that they were a good rock band. I'd argue the best big, American, mainstream rock act of 90's, but if you want to argue Pearl Jam, that's respectable. I just think Nirvana had a much strong punk core and were a harder, more original take on the Seattle alternative scene, whereas Pearl Jam was a pretty straight-forward, almost vanilla, American rock band. Not that that's bad.
Back on topic... Some personal additions to my first list:
Weezer > Pinkerton College Dropout > Late Registration In Ghost Colours > Zonoscope Ágætis byrjun > () Microcastle > Halcyon Digest
Cryptograms to Microcastle is probably my personal favorite back to back of all time. I think you are forgetting that they released Weird Era Cont (which I think people forget how great that album was) and Rainwater Cassette Exchange before Halcyon. Although, Rainwater is an EP and Weird Era came out at the same time as Microcastle. I always think of Weird as after Microcastle because Micro leaked long before the official duo release. Throw in the Fluorescent Grey EP, and they have one of the most solid runs of all time.
Nirvana made two great, filler-free albums in like 3 years.
Why people find it so important to cut Nirvana down to size because people have turned him into some sort of idol is puzzling to me. If you don't like the songwriting style, his voice, or their overall skill then fine I can see that, but to put them down for what others have turned them into seems beside the point of whether or not they made good music.
Let me clarify - I'm not trying to "cut Nirvana down to size." They're a fine rock and roll band. The discussion turned to bands that were overrated, and so I discussed why I thought Nirvana was overrated. Maybe that is cutting them down to size, I don't know - but then I guess that would be the subject of ANY conversation regarding a band that is overrated.
I conceded the point that they made good music - that's not really the conversation. My point was that people have taken the good music they made and deified it based on Cobain's tragic suicide.
This argument is way off base. Nirvana's genius was celebrated world-wide long before Kurt pulled the trigger. From the moment Nevermind dropped, everyone knew how different those guys were and bands & critics all bowed.
Foo Fighters are obvious schlock rock. Their anthems are like kids bop compared to Kurt's songwriting.
Here are a few of my favorites, some of which have already been mentioned
Music From Big Pink > The Band GP > Grievous Angel Everybody Knows This is Nowhere > After the Goldrush (really every Neil album from 68-80 would work for me) It Still Moves > Z Bringing It All Back Home > Highway 61 Broken Boy Soldier > Consolers of the Lonely
Turn on the Bright Lights > Antics Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) > Lets Dance Burial > Untrue The Bends > OK Computer Hail to the Thief > In Rainbows (let the bashing begin lol) Californication > By the Way The Soft Bulletin > Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots Toxicity > Steal this Album Discovery > Human After All Slim Shady LP > Marshall Mathers LP Play > 18 Parachutes > Rush of Blood to the Head Origin of Symetry > Absolution Los Angeles > Cosmogramma Power, Corruption & Lies > Low Life Lonsome Crowded West > The Moon and Antarctica Homogenic > Vespertene
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
Kill 'Em All>Ride The Lightning (Yeah I said it, big woop, wanna fight about it?) Permanent Waves>Moving Pictures Ege Bamyasi>Future Days Blood on The Tracks>Desire Hail To The Thief>In Rainbows (again, wanna fight about it?) Master of Reality>Vol. 4
Post by nuevodudezer47 on Mar 10, 2012 16:39:53 GMT -5
Some more: David Bowie - Hunky Dory > The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True > This Year's Model Miles Davis - Kind of Blue > Sketches of Spain Nick Drake - Bryter Layter > Pink Moon Missy Elliott - Miss E... So Addictive > Under Construction Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy) > Another Green World Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures > Closer John Lennon - John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band > Imagine Willie Nelson - Phases and Stagers > Red Headed Stranger Harry Nilsson - The Point! > Nilsson Schmilsson Oasis - Definitely Maybe > (What's the Story) Morning Glory? Outkast - Aquemini > Stankonia The Pretty Things - S.F. Sorrow > Parachute Prince - 1999 > Purple Rain Lou Reed - Transformer > Berlin The Replacements - Let It Be > Tim Roxy Music - Roxy Music > For Your Pleasure Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends > Bridge Over Troubled Water Nina Simone - Let It All Out > Wild Is the Wind Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones > Rain Dogs Stevie Wonder - Talking Book > Innervisions Neil Young - After the Gold Rush > Harvest