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I really don't know how to feel about this election. I thought it was going to be an easy win for republicans. We have a struggling economy, an unpopular president, and alot of the swing states have been looking awfully red.
But then I look at the candidates. It's a quacking 3 ring circus sideshow. The republicans hate all their candidates, and basically saying "ughhh... Fine.... Romney it is" None of them are likable, and they've all leaned so far right I can't imagine them standing up straight again
It's never EASY to defeat an incumbent. It was never going to be easy to unseat Obama, and the GOP only made it harder on themselves with the shitshow of candidates they've been farting out.
I know some of you probably saw this already, but I'm very impressed with what the two candidates for Senate in Mass. are doing to try and ensure that they get a "clean" race.
For those that don't know, Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren created a "poison pill" agreement regarding negative ads. Neither was sanctioning the muck-slinging ads that were being aired against the opponent, so they agreed that if there are any ads of that nature, the candidate who the ad supported would donate $ out of their own pocket equal in value to the ad in question.
So, if ultra-conservatives paid $1 million to take out an ad slamming Warren, Brown would donate $1 million to a charity.
I was very impressed with how these two took the power away from faceless lobbyist groups, and hope this sets a trend for the future. I doubt it, because it's too good an idea, but there's at least hope.
Don't see stuff like that too often these days. I bet their campaign managers and such were pretty confused when they announced the pact, like "What? You want to win this race fair and square? What the hell are you even talking about?"
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Brown's, but this move made me respect him. It's sad that something like "an honest and real campaign" is something we are applauding, but alas that's the world we live in.
Post by RadioSpirit on Feb 21, 2012 0:24:17 GMT -5
Such cynicism...
And this coming from the guy who lectured against voting.
And don't worry laggy, if Santorum is nominated, there might be a few months where he looks good because of his initial appeal to blue-collar voters across the MidWest (Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc), but he can't seem to stop talking about social issues, even in an election where he could probably try to sweep his views under the rug and run on a moderate, protectionist economic policy to appeal to his blue collar, industrial base voters. As soon as he inevitabley starts trying to reignite the culture wars, Obama will take a commanding lead. I'd imagine Gingrich/Santorum would be similar to McGovern's campaign against Nixon.
Romney is the only Republican capable of mounting a real campaign against Obama.
it's funny, because every time another candidate jumps up to challenge Romney, after I learn enough about the challenger (whether it was Newt, Ron Paul (if that ever happened) or Santorum) I find myself saying, "ANYONE except him". I wonder if the republicans are trying to lose on purpose at this point, because the only legitimate candidate is Romney, but he doesn't have a backbone. He'll have to hurl some stuff at Obama, but I don't think he can do it.
Post by Dave Maynar on Feb 21, 2012 6:26:44 GMT -5
I understand cynicism, LD, but you take what should be looked at as a bright spot in American politics right now, and dismiss it out of turn. The problem you always have to be wary of when being critical of a system is closing yourself of to the very change that you have been waiting for.
I understand cynicism, LD, but you take what should be looked at as a bright spot in American politics right now, and dismiss it out of turn. The problem you always have to be wary of when being critical of a system is closing yourself of to the very change that you have been waiting for.
I'll believe it when I see it. In the meanwhile, I will sit back and watch Ch. 5 waiting for the super pac negative ad
I understand cynicism, LD, but you take what should be looked at as a bright spot in American politics right now, and dismiss it out of turn. The problem you always have to be wary of when being critical of a system is closing yourself of to the very change that you have been waiting for.
I'll believe it when I see it. In the meanwhile, I will sit back and watch Ch. 5 waiting for the super pac negative ad
But, that very act of "waiting for the super pac negative ad" is you "seeing" that they're not being run, no? I mean, I know in NY when there is a race you see them at least every commercial break. If you watch TV for an hour and don't see one, it's a small sample size but should give you an indication as to whether or not the ads are coming. If they're not being aired in primetime network television, they're not being aired at all.
The article/video that I saw actually had a conservative lobbyist group as part of the story and they said they will grant the candidates wishes to not air unapproved ads.
This isn't to mean these lobbyists can't air ads in support of candidates, this is a "peace treaty" of sorts that is intended to stop the negative, dirty ads. And from what I've read, it's worked so far.
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Post by Adultishgambino on Feb 22, 2012 1:57:52 GMT -5
Pay attention Republican voters.
I am a Ron Paul supporter. This election season, no candidate will get my vote for the Office of President of the United States of America except for Ron Paul. There will be no exceptions. If he does not win the nomination, I will write his name on the ballot.
No amount of slick talking, flip-flopping, wooing, cajoling, threatening, or condescending will persuade... me to vote for any other contender for that office.
You don't want to admit it, but you know that the Republican Party cannot beat Obama without me, a Ron Paul supporter. It's long past time you admit it.
You and I have conflicting goals. I will only cast a vote for liberty, for peace, for small government, for fiscal sanity and respect for the Constitution of the United States and adherence to the oath of office of the Presidency. You however are content merely to vote for whatever Republican the GOP leadership and the media approve of.
I will not move. I cannot be persuaded. You cannot win without me.
I am not here to convince you that Ron Paul's positions are superior. I am not here to convince you that his foreign policy is in line with traditional conservatism. I am not here to convince you that his understanding of economics put everyone else in Washington to shame. I am not even here to convince you that the positions of the other candidates are not materially different than Obama.
No, I don't need to do any of that. I only need to tell you that without me, you have lost. If you do not vote for Ron Paul in your Primary or Caucus, you are already defeated. If you fail to nominate Ron Paul to be the Republican candidate for President, Barack Hussein Obama will serve a second term.
This is not blackmail. This is not a threat. This is a simple statement of fact.
I stand firm and I will not accept anything less. You have been warned...
I just wanna chime in and say as a Massachusetts voter, I effin love Warren. With Barney Frank retiring, I need another politician in this state who I actually enjoy listening to.
"Until Iran ceases its nuclear-bomb program, I will press for ever-tightening sanctions, acting with other countries if we can but alone if we must. I will speak out on behalf of the cause of democracy in Iran and support Iranian dissidents who are fighting for their freedom. I will make clear that America’s commitment to Israel’s security and survival is absolute. I will demonstrate our commitment to the world by making Jerusalem the destination of my first foreign trip.
Most important, I will buttress my diplomacy with a military option that will persuade the ayatollahs to abandon their nuclear ambitions. Only when they understand that at the end of that road lies not nuclear weapons but ruin will there be a real chance for a peaceful resolution.
My plan includes restoring the regular presence of aircraft carrier groups in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf region simultaneously. It also includes increasing military assistance to Israel and improved coordination with all of our allies in the area."
Wow. This like night and day compared to what Obama's doing.