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Post by problem dog on Dec 7, 2012 12:12:55 GMT -5
The Dictators are serious business, but he's definitely a bastard.
I'm not counting Pink because of intent. I see it as a collection of singles instead of an album, particularly since Locked came out a full year before Pink. I totally get including it, just a personal preference thing.
Do you not like that record or is it just a surprise?
Surprised. It's in my top 50, but I don't think it cracks my top 30. I liked it, but definitely though there were better albums of a similar sound/genre released this year.
I disagree about the first two of those, Juggs. Just personal preference I suppose but earlier Avetts is pretty damn awesome, and Punch Brothers I just don't think belong in that lump of artists because they're doing something really different.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
I have more of a problem with the second part of it than the first.
Again, I will stay on record by saying that anyone who likes stuff like the Avett Brothers or the Punch Brothers or the Lumineers or Of Monsters and Men and doesn't show some deference to M&S is a fraud. If that's not your type of music then fine, but to pretend that M&S aren't doing what all those groups do, only better, is to ignore the obvious.
I pretty much agree. MS gets a bad rap because they were the ones that exploded on the pop market more than all the others. I think anyone who thinks that MS didn't have the best album of the year out of these bands is in denial.
That said Trampled by Turtles is by far the best thing going in poppy bluegrass today and they are by far the closest to real bluegrass as well.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
Post by itrainmonkeys on Dec 7, 2012 14:39:04 GMT -5
Just wanted to chime in to say great discussion with awesome points from all around. The last page or two were a fun read.
I need to get into Of Monsters and Men....only know a tiny bit. All the others mentioned I like (Mumford, Punch Brothers, Avetts, what little of Trampled by Turtles I know).
Seriously though if you aren't up to date with TBT check out their albums (all of them) and see them live. I really can't rank their show lower than third overall this year at Roo and I saw some really great shows
I need to get into Of Monsters and Men....only know a tiny bit.
Eh, there's not much more than a tiny bit to get. They've only got one album. It's good stuff if you like the hand-clappy, loud-shouty-chorus, uplifting-chord-progression, quiet-quiet-LOUD type pseudo-folk.
Yea, I only have really heard one or two songs online and not much more than that. I'm sure I'd like it well enough but not sure if they'd become a favorite of mine...still want to listen to more though because they keep showing up everywhere I look (magazines, online articles, etc.).
Juggs (or anyone for that matter) - don't want to derail the best new albums discussion too much but what do you think about the band The Low Anthem compared to these acts?
Post by problem dog on Dec 7, 2012 15:06:24 GMT -5
I think there's some truth to the idea that Mumford catches more crap for being popular, but it's definitely possible to enjoy the current wave of indie folk/grass and still legitimately dislike them. You can't discount those "outward trappings," because even highly cosmetic differences can affect how much you enjoy something. Mumford might have targets on their backs, but that doesn't mean every criticism is unfounded.
Love the discussion of Mumford, Avetts, et al. I don't know that this is the thread for it, but I'd like to pile on. Everyone makes really good points here, but the best point is that out of all the bands being mentioned, The Punch Brothers put out one of the best albums this year. And I do like ALL those that have been mentioned - three of them were on my Top 50. I liked the Lumineers more, but the Punch Bros were more different.
Seriously listen to Who's Feeling Young Now all the way through again and I think you'll admit it is different than the others. Sure, it has banjo and lots of string playing and is definitely in the same ballpark. But - they do instrumentals and cover stuff like Radiohead and Swedish folk. Some of the songs stylistically have more range than others - from rock to reggae to bluegrass etc. - they're all over the place, but it's a really complete album.
Seriously though if you aren't up to date with TBT check out their albums (all of them) and see them live. I really can't rank their show lower than third overall this year at Roo and I saw some really great shows
I saw them three times this year and loved every show. Each one, to me, felt like the M&S show at Bonnaroo '11. There's an energy that ripples through everyone and the band feeds off of it. I love the clear punk influence that oozes onto both their record and their live show.
Juggs (or anyone for that matter) - don't want to derail the best new albums discussion too much but what do you think about the band The Low Anthem compared to these acts?
I'll be "anyone". I LOVE Oh My God Charlie Darwin. I would compare them as similar to these other bands in the use of strings, and traditional folk and bluegrass measures and tempos. However, overall I'd say they're more different than any of the other bands mentioned in the last few posts. They're the only ones that do a little of what I'll call Americana Gospel, they emphasize, more than the others, traditional folk (harmonica, tunes about places and trains and roads, slow tempos that remain andante - or at a medesimo tempo for the nerds). I believe they're the only ones to use trumpet and organ. I'd call them less bluegrass-y than any of the other bands.
But thank you for reminding me about Charlie Darwin - haven't listened to that one in a while.
I disagree about the first two of those, Juggs. Just personal preference I suppose but earlier Avetts is pretty damn awesome, and Punch Brothers I just don't think belong in that lump of artists because they're doing something really different.
Punch Brothers are making pop-inflected faux-bluegrass-folk. They're just like Nickel Creek, only 100% dudes. The amounts of "heys" and "hos" these bands may chant out will vary, but the formula remains the same - a bunch of decent looking guys in flannel shirts and/or suspenders, playing stringed instruments and making pop music masquerading as folk/bluegrass.
While this is true if we're talking about fashion and scene, the sound quality, clarity of intent, level of musicianship, and technical demand of Punch Brothers is greater than that of the others mentioned. It's just not the same. And I say this as someone who doesn't really care for Punch Brothers' songwriting.
wow I think you're totally off here jugs. especially with the comments about punch brothers. they do not belong in this discussion at all. they're ahead of all these other bands by leaps and bounds.
Post by nodepression on Dec 8, 2012 1:56:25 GMT -5
I don't know why, but I get almost personally offended when people say they don't like that Frank album. It's so universally appealing, I don't get how anybody could be bored with/hate it.
1. Spiritualized | Sweet heart, Sweet Light 2. Fiona Apple|The Idler Wheel Is Wiser than the Driver .. 3. EL-P | Cancer 4 Cure 4. Christian Scott | Christian aTunde Adjuah 5. Grizzly Bear | Shields 6. Sharon Van Etten | Tramp 7. Cloud Nothings | Attack On Memory 8. Black Breath | Sentenced To Life 9. Swans | The Seer 10. Kendrick Lamar | good kid, m.A.A.d city 11. Bobby Womack | The Bravest Man In The Universe 12. Dirty Projectors | Swing Lo Magellan 13. METZ | METZ 14. Rufus Wainwright | Out of the Game 15. The Walkmen | Heaven 16. John Talabot | fIN 17. Lee Ranaldo | Between The Time & The Tides 18. Ty Segall Band | Slaughterhouse 19. Andy Stott | Luxury Dreams 20. The Men | Open Your Heart 21. Holograms | Holograms 22. Carla Morrison | Dejenme Llorar 23. Beach House | Bloom 24. Leonard Cohen | Old Ideas 25. Father John Misty | Fear Fun 26. Young Magic | Melt 27. Godspeed You! Black Emperor | Allelujah! Don’t Bend! Ascend! 28. Killer Mike | R.A.P. Music 29. Grimes | Visions 30. Woods | Bend Beyond 31. Tame Impala | Lonerism 32. Frank Ocean | Channel Orange 33. Jesse Ware | Devotion 34. Chromatics | Kill For Love 35. Bats For Lashes | The Haunted Man 36. Flying Lotus | Until The Quiet Comes 37. Frankie Rose | Interstellar 38. Japandroids | Celebration Rock 39. Pig Destroyer | Book Burner 40. DIIV | Ohsin 41. Neneh Cherry & The Thing | The Cherry Thing 42. Death Grips | The Money Store 43. Lower Dens | Nootropics 44. Andrew Bird | Break It Yourself 45. The Mountain Goats| Transcendental Youth 46. Wu Block | Wu Block 47. Schoolboy Q | Habits & Contradictions 48. Neurosis | Honor Found In Decay 49. Charlie Hunter & Scott Amendola | Not Getting Behind Is The New Getting Ahead 50. Purity Ring | Shrines
Honorable Mentions: Quakers | Quakers Karriem Riggins | Alone Together
I agree with Juggs whole-heartedly. The Quakers record suffers from length. Had they trimmed the fat it could have been a top 20. Same with Karriem Riggins (funny enough another Stones Throw release).
Cat Power | Suns Animal Collective | Centipede Hz
I wanted to like this record more than I did. I hate the fact I’m making a years end list and Chan isn’t on it. Same applies to Animal Collective. I really wanted to like it. Its AC after all. There were high points throughout both records, but both fell short of making my best-of list.
Converge | All We Love We Leave Behind Enslaved | RIITIIR High On Fire | De Vermis Mysteriis Witchcraft | Legends
These albums are technically 51-54 on my list. With time, I’m gonna regret not placing all of these higher. Every one of them blisters in their own way. I’ve watched Converge grow in to a powerhouse over the years. For the first time they created a record that simply owns in musical talent (and not me being hell-bent on nostalgia).
Divine Fits | A Thing Called Divine Fits
I’m always skeptical of super-groups. They always seem to produce albums based on their bands/previous bands and produce hap-hazard albums that are shells of their former playmates. The Fits are a different breed. While the album is just comfortable they did put out my favorite song of the year with Shiver, a cover of Rowland S. Howard.
Tim Hecker / Daniel Lopatin | Instrumental Tourist
Flat-out, I needed more time to soak this in. This is another I'm gonna regret in 6 months.
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