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This is a bit ridiculous. Emoney is a good poster at heart. This is coming from someone who has been made fun of by him (obviously in good fun) numerous times in chat.
I get what you're saying, but we don't moderate intentions, Zapp.
There should be some sort of consistency with the moderation then, right? I think that's what people are most upset with. If you're not going to moderate intentions, then there must be consistent moderation for the things said and done here.
In other words, it just seems like not banning emoney is a lot easier than banning practically everyone for being snarky towards one another. If what he says is true then he wasn't notified by you guys of the warnings and will know now to cool it a little bit more.
And emoney did, what, exactly? Engaging in an already ongoing conversation, no? How is this different than what you did?
I was admittedly exaggerating. But you yourself have admitted that annoying other posters is in fact "success" to you. What you did to the No Skrillex thread is no different than what emoney did to the "say nice things about Skrillex without posting any photos of him" thread that you started.
Okay, picture what your reaction would be if Jess was banned. I doubt you would be silent on the issue, am I correct in believing this? That's why people are "blowing it out of proportion." Because they feel it's unjust, just as you'd feel it was unjust if Jess got banned.
I think there is a big difference between me getting banned and emoney getting banned. In my case it would be unjust because I have not done anything worthy of it. He has been banned three times now, I doubt they all were over reactions on the part of the mods, though I do not know the specifics in any of the cases.
Hmm, a lot of people here seem to think different, Mr. Wolfman. Including myself. Emoney has made jokes at my expense several times, including one time were he made a joke saying I had aspergers. I was not offended or insulted, because it was simply the result of a few back-and-forth, innocent, ball busting jabs.
You however, have attacked me multiple times for no reason. Often in conversations that you're not even a part of. You claim that it's in the defense of someone that I'm "bullying," which is really just me disagreeing with someones taste in music considering that's the ONLY thing I ever argue with anyone about here. I was bullied quite a lot when I was younger in grade school and I can tell you that what I am doing to Phi when I give him a hard time for liking Skrillex is not "bullying." We're all passionate about music and so we can get into some rather strong disagreements about certain kinds of music, and then you'll just step in out of nowhere, not even involved in the conversation at hand, and take the side of whoever is opposite me, be it Phi or anyone else, and then just start insulting me personally.
Point being, I've been insulted more by you on this forum than I ever have by emoney, or probably anyone else here, and as I said before, him and I are not exactly great pals or anything.
Edit: Which, AGAIN, is NOT me saying that I think you or anyone else should be banned. I think we should be allowed to freely discuss our differing opinions on things without someone crying to the mods about it. If things get REALLY out of hand, like when whats-his-face started his racial tirade in the wooks v brahs thread, THEN it's time to step in and throwdown the banhammer.
Last Edit: Mar 5, 2012 18:07:02 GMT -5 by mc - Back to Top
I get what you're saying, but we don't moderate intentions, Zapp.
There should be some sort of consistency with the moderation then, right? I think that's what people are most upset with. If you're not going to moderate intentions, then there must be consistent moderation for the things said and done here.
So you're saying we SHOULD moderate intentions or is this just going back to the Juggs/Jess thing? If it is, it's not the same on our side. I'm sure some of you would disagree, but when it comes to complaints, multiple accounts, and pure trolling, it's no contest. That said, it's all being considered, so just hang tight.
There should be some sort of consistency with the moderation then, right? I think that's what people are most upset with. If you're not going to moderate intentions, then there must be consistent moderation for the things said and done here.
So you're saying we SHOULD moderate intentions or is this just going back to the Juggs/Jess thing? If it is, it's not the same on our side. I'm sure some of you would disagree, but when it comes to complaints, multiple accounts, and pure trolling, it's no contest. That said, it's all being considered, so just hang tight.
I'm just saying it's got to be one or the other. You guys are smart; you know when someone is just being harmlessly silly, as is the case with emoney. Like people have said before about other posters, there are bigots, racists, and people threatening other posters that keep on keepin' on. I guess there are just bigger fish to fry, is all.
If what he says is true then he wasn't notified by you guys of the warnings and will know now to cool it a little bit more.
Perhaps he will also cool it with the use of Sang's likeness? It seems that most guys aren't bothered by it, but females generally interpret that kind of behavior as stalkerish. Maybe it's not intended that way, but it is most definitely misconstrued as such.
That's just my two cents' worth. I'm not trying to stir this quagmire of contention, 'cause lord know this dead horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp already.
I get what you're saying, but we don't moderate intentions, Zapp.
There should be some sort of consistency with the moderation then, right? I think that's what people are most upset with. If you're not going to moderate intentions, then there must be consistent moderation for the things said and done here.
I agree but consistent moderation is tough, especially on a message board of this size with this many members. The mods are all just regular people. I'm a 25 year old dude who reads Inforoo from work when I'm able to. I won't see everything and sometimes things are already past the point of any sort of help.
For example, I didn't know that "nodepreshion" had been posting photos of Inforoo members without their permission and that others have been banned in the past for that. If I had been aware I would have tried to do something.
People pointing out that Sproat has "threatened people on numerous occasions" doesn't mean that the mods saw Sproat's threats and thought "Oh it's fine....let's let this slide". If someone makes a physical threat and a mod sees it and says/does nothing then there is a problem. If this is the situation please let us know but it's possible that mods haven't seen the specific threat that people bring up some time after it was posted.
I wasn't aware that Phi had been trolling threads talking about Skrillex to annoy people before the lineup came out. I don't read electronic threads too much cuz I'm not into the music as much. So when I have complaints about a board member trolling a thread and bothering others then I deal with it. Of course, then I look like I'm being unfair because I didn't step in and stop Phi months before that for doing the same thing. It's not about being inconsistent.....it's about not knowing.
A lot of people here will let things like that slide. They don't want to "tattle" or report it to a mod because they don't think it's worthy of reporting. But then it will be brought up months later as an example of double standards because "someone did the same thing a while back and they are still posting".
That doesn't help us. It's an admittedly flawed system. We try to do the best we can but we don't always have all of the info/backstory of every issue that arises. I do try hard to be as consistent as possible but every situation is different and I don't always have the answers or all the info I need.
With that all said, I'll echo what other mods have said which is the whole situation is being discussed and hopefully will be resolved soon.
There are truly "pure" trolls on this board that are still active.
Can you send me a PM of what "pure" trolls you are talking about and I can check it out for myself? If it's anyone who myself or the other mods aren't keeping an eye on already then I'll be sure to take notice. Keep in mind that just because someone is still currently active doesn't mean actions for them aren't being discussed.
There should be some sort of consistency with the moderation then, right? I think that's what people are most upset with. If you're not going to moderate intentions, then there must be consistent moderation for the things said and done here.
I agree but consistent moderation is tough, especially on a message board of this size with this many members. The mods are all just regular people. I'm a 25 year old dude who reads Inforoo from work when I'm able to. I won't see everything and sometimes things are already past the point of any sort of help.
For example, I didn't know that "nodepreshion" had been posting photos of Inforoo members without their permission and that others have been banned in the past for that. If I had been aware I would have tried to do something.
People pointing out that Sproat has "threatened people on numerous occasions" doesn't mean that the mods saw Sproat's threats and thought "Oh it's fine....let's let this slide". If someone makes a physical threat and a mod sees it and says/does nothing then there is a problem. If this is the situation please let us know but it's possible that mods haven't seen the specific threat that people bring up some time after it was posted.
I wasn't aware that Phi had been trolling threads talking about Skrillex to annoy people before the lineup came out. I don't read electronic threads too much cuz I'm not into the music as much. So when I have complaints about a board member trolling a thread and bothering others then I deal with it. Of course, then I look like I'm being unfair because I didn't step in and stop Phi months before that for doing the same thing. It's not about being inconsistent.....it's about not knowing.
A lot of people here will let things like that slide. They don't want to "tattle" or report it to a mod because they don't think it's worthy of reporting. But then it will be brought up months later as an example of double standards because "someone did the same thing a while back and they are still posting".
That doesn't help us. It's an admittedly flawed system. We try to do the best we can but we don't always have all of the info/backstory of every issue that arises. I do try hard to be as consistent as possible but every situation is different and I don't always have the answers or all the info I need.
With that all said, I'll echo what other mods have said which is the whole situation is being discussed and hopefully will be resolved soon.
I honestly think you guys do a great job and I wouldn't want to have to do your job. I don't agree on this particular issue of emoney but overall I really think you guys are awesome and it says a lot that you are looking over this issue instead of just locking it and moving on.
If what he says is true then he wasn't notified by you guys of the warnings and will know now to cool it a little bit more.
Perhaps he will also cool it with the use of Sang's likeness? It seems that most guys aren't bothered by it, but females generally interpret that kind of behavior as stalkerish. Maybe it's not intended that way, but it is most definitely misconstrued as such.
That's just my two cents' worth. I'm not trying to stir this quagmire of contention, 'cause lord know this dead horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp already.
I think if Sang had a problem with it he would have said so by now. Pretty sure he's cool with it.
If what he says is true then he wasn't notified by you guys of the warnings and will know now to cool it a little bit more.
Perhaps he will also cool it with the use of Sang's likeness? It seems that most guys aren't bothered by it, but females generally interpret that kind of behavior as stalkerish. Maybe it's not intended that way, but it is most definitely misconstrued as such.
That's just my two cents' worth. I'm not trying to stir this quagmire of contention, 'cause lord know this dead horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp already.
the sig did bother other people more than it bothered me. but he said if i asked him to do away with it he would. so if he's unbanned i'm asking that the sig is removed.
For those keeping score, we've banned a pair of his accounts since he was initially banned and are watching one or two others that he's lurking from. But no emoney, you're not a troll.
I honestly think you guys do a great job and I wouldn't want to have to do your job. I don't agree on this particular issue of emoney but overall I really think you guys are awesome and it says a lot that you are looking over this issue instead of just locking it and moving on.
Agreed. It feels like everyone is bashing the moderators, so I would just like to express my appreciation for them. I'm not saying I agree with emoney being banned, but I can say from my own interactions with the mods here, they have been nothing but helpful towards me.
For those keeping score, we've banned a pair of his accounts since he was initially banned and are watching one or two others that he's lurking from. But no emoney, you're not a troll.
where did those troll accounts post? i wonder what he said
i think lots of people have multiple accounts. i've been chatting him all day and he was using one earlier that you already banned when he posted and now he's using another one just to keep up with what's going on here. you didn't really give him a chance to defend himself or anything. obviously some people have a problem with him, but also lots of people are defending him. we just don't like to see anyone banned for what we feel like is no good reason. you guys keep saying jess is not even close to as bad as emoney is, but go back through this thread and count how many have complained or mentioned him in this. i think all of the mods are being overbearing. i know you're here to keep the board in order, but really i don't think you're doing anything but complicating things right now. you should see by everyone's reaction that you're doing something wrong. you can't just ban one person and let other people get away it. so bottom line is none of them should be banned. if someone has a problem with someone on the board, just ignore them. it's not really that big of a deal.
For those keeping score, we've banned a pair of his accounts since he was initially banned and are watching one or two others that he's lurking from. But no emoney, you're not a troll.
To be fair, the nature of the ban here is such that unless one creates another account, one cannot respond to the accusations behind the ban or attempt to mount a defense.
To be fair, the nature of the ban here is such that unless one creates another account, one cannot respond to the accusations behind the ban or attempt to mount a defense.
That's not the case here.
I'm not trying to be irritating, but how is this not the case? Emoney got banned, so he had no avenue to PM the mods, correct? I think that's what Juggs meant because off aquariumdrunk's post that made it seem like Emoney was creating accounts and posting with them. To my knowledge, his only post on a duplicate account was the one in this thread.
It was never said he made troll posts since he was banned. The point was well taken for an account to be made to defend himself, and he did. But it did not stop there.
It was never said he made troll posts since he was banned. The point was well taken for an account to be made to defend himself, and he did. But it did not stop there.
Made more than just one...or two accounts just to defend himself. Look, I do not see how a guy that has been warned in the past, had a warning level, then starts crap with t a mod over the Karma system, of all things, would not see a ban coming?
Post by itrainmonkeys on Mar 5, 2012 19:42:57 GMT -5
Duplicate accounts aren't allowed and he had more than one account before this whole "banning" stuff came up. It's not the main reason he was banned but it added to it.