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Post by wannaberoo'ing on Dec 13, 2012 14:17:34 GMT -5
Some day, I'm gonna buy that GINORMOUS tub of Cheese Balls they sell at Sam's Club. Every time I am there and walk by it, I just want to get it sooooo bad. But, since I'm the only one who would eat them, they'd probably go to waste before I got half-way thru it.
I still like to picture it under my tree come xmas morning. :-)
Because no child understands hate. Hate is a learned emotion. Children grow up joyous and open-minded because they're children and aren't jaded by war/famine/death/lying/cheating/stealing/racism/etc. I forget what show I was watching, but the host was talking to people holding anti-gay rallies (the "YOU'LL BURN IN HELL YA Q-----'S!!!" variety). He went up to a girl about 8 years old and asked her if she understood the sign that her parents had her holding. It basically said the 'burn in hell' talking line for insane religious folks who think being gay is equivalent to murder. The girl just scrunched up her nose and said she had no idea what the sign meant. Just that her parents gave it to her and she did what her parents told her. So, maybe racists and bigots raise well-behaved children, but those kids aren't programmed to hate from birth. It's a long erosion of their hope and joy and acceptance of harmony between people.
Then I moved to Florida for 5th grade, into a VERY rough, black neighborhood called Arlington in Jacksonville, Florida. Jacksonville has a nickname. JacksonKILL. Per capita I bet it is pretty high on the list of murders, maybe even tops?
Not even close. They're between Mobile, Alabama and Tuscon, Arizona. This would've taken you about 20 seconds to look up, for the record. JacksonKILL!!! (terrible nickname, my favorite southern city nickname is by far "TenneKEY!")
HOWEVER, this is where I started to recognize what racism really is. When I was around my mom and her friends, and my uncle and especially my grandmother, I heard the n word thrown around like candy. With hate. Not from my mom, but her friends, and others in my family. My grandmother bragged about how my grandfather was involved in some really bad things when it came to that department (Im not going to detail it out, but its the worst kind of bad). This is also where I started distancing myself from my grandmother because I was so disappointed that such a loving wonderful woman could be that hateful towards anyone. True racism coming from her.
So you identified racism and distanced yourself from it? Great! You made a step many young people can't make, and that's to identify beliefs their families hold true that are ignorant or flat-out wrong, and changing yourself for the better. Commendable.
I experienced a very palpable conflict between 2 particular groups of people. Mostly angry blacks vs ignorant whites living in the past, but it bled from there. Even non angry blacks were affected by their "peers" and smarter whites were affected by theirs. Its like dropping a stone into water. The waves start to dissipate the farther the get from the point of impact, but the still stir the water up a long way from it.
God dammit. Back to generalizing, I see? "Even non angry blacks"? Good lord, show some tact.
And comparing racism to water ripples? I'm afraid it's a bit more complex than that. A ripple is predictable, racism is absolutely not. I understand you're trying to show that the impact of racism is far-reaching and can slightly impact people not at the epicenter of the conflict, but that's to say that everyone shouldn't be aware of the fact racism exists. There should be no "epicenter" for racism, people should actively pursue eradicating it.
Then I moved back to Massachusetts for high school. I moved into a small, rich, Irish Catholic town. There was one black person in my entire high school. He was elected class president of our senior class. He was (and still is) very well respected and liked. It wasn't fake. He is a likable, kind, smart, charismatic person. That has nothing to do with his race, at all. That is his person.
The "this one black guy I knew" comment! Has anyone hit "I'm not a racist, but let's be mildly racist" bingo yet? No? Let's keep playing!
That is when it hit me. In the south, there is racism. Blacks and whites do not, in general, get along as a whole. One side is angry and the other is ignorant. Actually, both sides (at the point of impact) are angry and ignorant. I am not saying any of them are stupid or stupidly angry. I am making a generalization. Please understand that most of this is generalizations that DO NOT apply to every case, and I am not trying to pigeon hole ANYONE or ANY GROUP. Simply stating observations and making comment about my opinions of what I saw personally.
Jesus Christ on a crutch, dude. You're an adult, not some oblivious high school student, these types of comments aren't okay. One side is "angry" and one is "ignorant"? No matter which way you go with that you're offending people.
SO: The point of some of that is to point out that some of you THINK you see racism, and know what it is, but really you don't. Juggs, with all due respect, you are a lawyer living in Connecticut. I went to college at UHa. I have been down scenic Albany Ave multiple times, and what goes on there isn't racism. Its groups sticking to themselves. Its not HATING another race. Yeah, I felt uncomfortable because I didn't really fit in, not because I felt hate coming from anyone.
How do you know anything about Juggs' experiences? For all you know, Juggs is black. Or do they only admit white lawyers in Connecticut? I went to school in the Bronx, and not the "oh look! Riverdale with million dollar mansions" or "hey...super Italian-Irish American families that live in the same area for generations" Bronx, I'm talking "holy f*ck a cop was shot in the god damn head across the street from where I currently live and I'm a 19 year old idiot who stumbles around blackout drunk in these neighborhoods" Bronx (yes, that actually happened, and the shooter was a white crackhead who took the gun off the cop while he was trying to help him into a White Castle to get something to eat). There were white scumbags, black scumbags, brown scumbags...it had nothing to do with race. It was a division between good, hard-working people...and people who didn't feel they should have to live by those same rules and guidelines. Race was never an issue, even though people tried to make it one.
I have family that lives in the south (North Carolina, Virginia, South Carolina, Florida) and I have spent entire summers with them. I mention this in case you want to pull the "shut up you stupid Yankee" type stuff. The racism I saw there was just as despicable, unacceptable and hateful as the racism I've seen in the north (and yeah, believe it or not even in the super-de-duper liberal cess pool known as NYC, there's some serious racism). Racism isn't a geographical issue. Look at this board, for example. Predominantly made up of people from the south, and predominantly made up of tolerant, kind, good-hearted people (big ups!). Sure, Juggs, or myself, or someone else may be more vocal about calling out ignorance, but what does that have to do with it? Go elsewhere on the Internet if you think what we do is over the top. I'd suggest starting with Youtube, that place is just a bastion of racial tolerance.
There is a MASSIVE difference between the "racism" that goes on up there and watching 3 semi toothless smelly white tobacco spitting 30 year old men call a black man names and spit at him at the gas station (seen it more than once). The racism down here is AWFUL. It is truly despicable. It really makes me sad.
Oh is that all? Let's just tell the minorities getting spit at and degraded to sack up, it's just a little bit of racism. Are you f*cking high? I mean seriously, think about what you just said. There's "racism," then there's REAL racism. No, jackass, there's racism and then there's being a tolerable and kind human being. This isn't a 12-step program to being a full-on racist. It makes me sad when white people who have never experienced racism themselves try to dictate how others should feel about racism. I think Chico basically said that, but I hadn't actually read this entire post yet.
Making a comment that someone doesn't like hearing a hip hop artist rap about bitches, money, guns etc is not racism.
And that's not what happened yesterday. Is that the impression your reading comprehension gave you?
For example, iamhorn said he's not a fan of the vulgarity in hip-hop and it's a big reason why he's not a huge fan of it. No one accused him of being racist. It's when you make general statements (much like some of the ones you've made here) that sweep over racial lines that people start bringing up racism. radioroo did that, but later admitted he was drunk and his comments didn't read as well as they could/should have. He apologized, basically, and that was it. Also, don't type 2,500 words and pretend you didn't want to dig up a discussion. C'mon now, we're not that dumb.
It doesn't even come close. What that is is someone who can't relate to what is being shared in that song, and not liking the type of music. Just because someone relates to a particular type of music, or a particular sound doesn't come close to racism. It has to do with what they grew up listening to, and a narrow view of music. Having a closed mind to hearing other forms of expression. And to me, thats ok. Music is a lot about personal taste. Having a narrow view and preference about music is each individual person's prerogative.
I think you may have mistook jokes for serious comments, that's all I can come up with. I don't give a flying rat's ass if someone hates my favorite kind of music. I'll make fun of them for it (because, let's be serious, I like awesome music), but I won't begin to hate them and label them racist. I hate black people, white people, orange people (if you use fake tan I hate you)...but it's because those individuals (not "people," but "person") are self-absorbed douchebags who are inconsiderate to the wants & needs of anyone except themselves.
Look, you seem like a pretty good guy who just says some outrageous things sometimes. I say leave the dating advice and wide-reaching racial commentary out of your posts, you're a lot more likable that way.
Also, CKS, favorite pie is cinnamon apple. I don't cook many pastries/desserts (I COOK MEATS), but that's one that I got down perfectly.
Some day, I'm gonna buy that GINORMOUS tub of Cheese Balls they sell at Sam's Club. Every time I am there and walk by it, I just want to get it sooooo bad. But, since I'm the only one who would eat them, they'd probably go to waste before I got half-way thru it.
I still like to picture it under my tree come xmas morning. :-)
I know when you can buy them... BONNAROO. I tell ya that putting out that tub in the center of your common are.. they will magically disappear. Bonnaroovians love dem thangs.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I bought two of these my sophomore year at college. Went to a Costco with $250 and a sack of corn, came home with two of those and a TV. Nice work, everyone.
Needless to say, I gained like 600 pounds because all I had to do was watch TV and eat cheese balls. I'd proceed with caution.
I bought two of these my sophomore year at college. Went to a Costco with $250 and a sack of corn, came home with two of those and a TV. Nice work, everyone.
Needless to say, I gained like 600 pounds because all I had to do was watch TV and eat cheese balls. I'd proceed with caution.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I bought two of these my sophomore year at college. Went to a Costco with $250 and a sack of corn, came home with two of those and a TV. Nice work, everyone.
Needless to say, I gained like 600 pounds because all I had to do was watch TV and eat cheese balls. I'd proceed with caution.
600 lbs? Damn you were fat.
Sophomore year of college I was legitimately fat. To the point my mom (who never was a "you shouldn't eat that mom" and was instead a "eat your 4th bowl of pasta & meatballs you ungrateful a-hole" mom) told me to sort my sh*t out. It might've even been 650, I couldn't see the numbers on the scale after a certain point.
The next time any of you yankee scumbags happen to visit 'Nawlins, you have to try this: Jacques-Imo's shrimp and alligator sausage cheesecake...
best appetizer ever
*praying you're not from Nawlins so I can continue loving the sh*t out of that city**praying you're not from Nawlins so I can continue loving the sh*t out of that city**praying you're not from Nawlins so I can continue loving the sh*t out of that city**praying you're not from Nawlins so I can continue loving the sh*t out of that city**praying you're not from Nawlins so I can continue loving the sh*t out of that city**praying you're not from Nawlins so I can continue loving the sh*t out of that city**praying you're not from Nawlins so I can continue loving the sh*t out of that city*(Just kidding)
For the record I've had those before and they're fantastic.
Post by Whoreshack on Dec 13, 2012 15:00:35 GMT -5
Ha. My first Jazzfest, I was at the Mapleleaf seeing a Phish side-project and we ate there late. Ended up getting along famously with the chef-owner and running around town with him drankin all weekend. He fed us several times many courses, including this, on gratis.
Nice, that place is on the pricey side for nola too, so you probably consumed a few hundred dollars worth of foodz.
I live in Mobile, Flanz, but I am in nola once a month for shows and hanging out with friends that live there. I do plan on moving to the best city in the world eventually though.
If generalizations didn't work, lets be more specific:
First of all, if I offended anyone I'm sorry. I have real friends that cross many different ethnic backgrounds and horns breakdown makes the spirit of what I was trying to say look quite bad, when in reality it comes from a good place.
Simply put: I have seen racism all over the spectrum and its all awful. No matter how subtle or how loud. None of it is acceptable in any way. In my personal opinion, racism that I have seen In Florida as a whole is far More extreme than it is in the northeast. When people pull the racism accusations out, I personally compare what just happened to what I see here on a daily basis.
You're right, I don't know anything about Juggs and I shouldn't have assumed I do.
This topic is so volatile that any comment can be stretched into looking a certain way.
I do want to clarify something though: I believe racism stems from ignorance. The 2 groups Mentioned (angry and ignorant) are describing racist groups, and that has nothing to do with race of the person in either of those said groups.
There are some seriously angry, ignorant people living in the south (just like anywhere) and it seems to manifest itself often across racial (perceived) barriers.
I like people who I like and dislike a-holes. No farther description is needed for that last statement.
Hopefully, horn, you picked up the spirit of what I was trying to get across even though I said it poorly.
Nice, that place is on the pricey side for nola too, so you probably consumed a few hundred dollars worth of foodz.
I live in Mobile, Flanz, but I am in nola once a month for shows and hanging out with friends that live there. I do plan on moving to the best city in the world eventually though.
Well, if you love that city I guess you can't be all bad.
Nice, that place is on the pricey side for nola too, so you probably consumed a few hundred dollars worth of foodz.
I live in Mobile, Flanz, but I am in nola once a month for shows and hanging out with friends that live there. I do plan on moving to the best city in the world eventually though.
This scumbag Yankee used to live 10 blocks from Jacques Imo's. They had just opened when I got there so the lines weren't as long - loved the food! Oh and Chef Jacques is also a scumbag Yankee if I remember correctly - lol.
Aside on NOLA alligator - the restaurant where I worked on Bourbon served fried alligator bits - I definitely served some to some girl who broke her tooth on the bullet still inside the piece of alligator. We were Class A.
Yeah, some of the best restaurant in nola are owned by yankees. My favorite is Stein's Market and Deli. Best sammiches ever! Owned by a cool jewish duder from Philli.