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But he's clearly aiming to please the masses and make a profit....I don't think AC is some eccentric billionaire throwing a yearly music festival for himself, and we're all just lucky enough that he allows us to attend. It's constructive criticism, which Bonnaroo has always been open too. I think we're at the point where a majority of the festival-attendees wouldn't be upset, and probably pleased, if they dropped the Sunday Jam Band requirement.
It's not something that particularly bothers me, I don't mind leaving early, or taking a nap on the lawn as my friends listen, but I think it might be time for AC/S to consider it from a business perspective, which is obviously the perspective they look at it from.
Edit To Notmitchelbade: That's my point. It's a very niche-oriented group. Sure, Bonnaroo is in the South, but people come from all over the country at this point. Is there any other major festival bookings bands that only appeal to a certain geographical region?
You have a good point. But I still would argue that most of the attendees are from the South versus very few from Outside Lands are from the South. That being said, I think that after this year, WSP will probably start playing less. When they do play-I'm thinking 15 year anniversary type stuff- they may end up getting a LN What stage (like Phish) instead of a closer.
If they moved away from jam band stuff, it would be a bold move. I think an experience like roo closing with an all night jam is a cool thing, even if I'm not personally into it. On the other hand, adding a band that I'm more into that plays a jammier show would be way cooler. As a first thought, it would be really cool to see someone like Radiohead or Paul McCartney, who have extensive catalogs, play a really long set. In a few years time, perhaps even someone like Animal Collective, who isn't really a jam band but could probably play a long set that involves a lot of extended versions of songs, close Sunday night. I think MMJ could also do a really great Sunday night set. The list really just goes on, I suppose.
EDIT: I just remembered that I thought I heard somewhere that WSP is taking a break as a band after their 25th this year. Is that true?
Post by Chris Major on Apr 24, 2011 17:28:54 GMT -5
I dont think anyone is saying that the jam aspect of the festival should be taken away entirely, but the "standard Sunday night jamband closer" doesn't need to happen every year. I'd rather switch WSP to Friday night and Arcade Fire to Sunday night if I could, honestly.
Post by Whoreshack on Apr 24, 2011 17:39:30 GMT -5
Yes, Panic will most likely be on haitus for a while. Music to the ears of all the naysayers out there. But I'm telling you, prepare for more Further & Phish.
Agree to disagree. I just feel that for a band, who's backs this great fest was built on, continue to get nothing but disrespect from folks who generally haven't given them a real chance. Plus, take away Panic and you'll probably just get a Further/Dead/Phil&Phriendz in their place, which won't appease the masses, either. I don't see them doing away with the Jam Headliner altogether.
I used to pretty much only listen to jam bands, including WSP, my senior year of high school. Four years later, it's not even on my ipod/itunes. It's just boring to me.
That's just a phase of music. Things that were once fresh and exciting later become predictable and mundane. My guess is about ten or fifteen years from now all of those bands will creep back into your life, some maybe earlier and you'll remember why you loved them. The brain likes what it likes and has amazing recall.
I think I agree that AC just likes them. He has Galactic there nearly every year and people love it, it's pretty well known that there is a long standing relationship between them; I love seeing them every time I can too. I think the real problem here is the use of a headliner spot, no repeated festival goer wants to see the same headliner 50% of the time.
My guess is that it starts changing in the years to come. Time has a way of self correcting things.
There's also a thread for whining about Widespread Panic headlining too much that's pretty active right now.
Bonnaroo started predominantly as a jam band festival, and I completely understand that they want to stay true to their roots and keep up the tradition of a Sunday night jam band headliner. The problem is that the organizers have really painted themselves into a corner on this one. As the festival has grown and booked bigger name headliners for Friday and Saturday, AC/Superfly are left with only four real options for a Sunday jam headliner - Widespread Panic, The Dead, Phish and DMB. WSP are going on hiatus after this year and The Dead supposedly won't play after the Phil vs. Kanye fiasco of '08. I think that they will start to move away from that formula over the next 10 years, as people grow tired of the same couple of acts headlining Sunday each year. The fest will keep an emphasis on jambands, but mostly through the undercard. I think they've really limited themselves by trying to simultaneously compete with big fests like Coachella and Lollapalooza and jam-centric fests like Camp Bisco and AllGood.
Yes, Panic will most likely be on haitus for a while. Music to the ears of all the naysayers out there. But I'm telling you, prepare for more Further & Phish.
If they do keep the Sunday jam band closer tradition intact, recycling Furthur and Phish is much more appealing than recycling WSP.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
AC/Superfly are left with only four real options for a Sunday jam headliner - Widespread Panic, The Dead, Phish and DMB.
I think this is a fantastic point. I'm a massive jam fan, but I think all of us have been waiting for a while for a new, relevant jam band to step to the fore. Some people say "jam is dead". I disagree. I just think it's a really demanding form of music to make, and we haven't seen the talent or talented interest to push it forward.
Post by spaceghost on Apr 24, 2011 23:11:42 GMT -5
SCI didn't headline in 2002 and they've only gotten gradually further down the bill since then. Call me pessimistic but I don't see them exploding in popularity any time soon.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
I used to pretty much only listen to jam bands, including WSP, my senior year of high school. Four years later, it's not even on my ipod/itunes. It's just boring to me.
That's just a phase of music. Things that were once fresh and exciting later become predictable and mundane. My guess is about ten or fifteen years from now all of those bands will creep back into your life, some maybe earlier and you'll remember why you loved them. The brain likes what it likes and has amazing recall.
I think I agree that AC just likes them. He has Galactic there nearly every year and people love it, it's pretty well known that there is a long standing relationship between them; I love seeing them every time I can too. I think the real problem here is the use of a headliner spot, no repeated festival goer wants to see the same headliner 50% of the time.
My guess is that it starts changing in the years to come. Time has a way of self correcting things.
There's also a thread for whining about Widespread Panic headlining too much that's pretty active right now.
EDITED - For quoting the wrong post.
I don't want to say never, but I really don't see this happening. The only "jam" act I can still put on and fully enjoy is The Dead.
That's just a phase of music. Things that were once fresh and exciting later become predictable and mundane. My guess is about ten or fifteen years from now all of those bands will creep back into your life, some maybe earlier and you'll remember why you loved them. The brain likes what it likes and has amazing recall.
I think I agree that AC just likes them. He has Galactic there nearly every year and people love it, it's pretty well known that there is a long standing relationship between them; I love seeing them every time I can too. I think the real problem here is the use of a headliner spot, no repeated festival goer wants to see the same headliner 50% of the time.
My guess is that it starts changing in the years to come. Time has a way of self correcting things.
There's also a thread for whining about Widespread Panic headlining too much that's pretty active right now.
EDITED - For quoting the wrong post.
I don't want to say never, but I really don't see this happening. The only "jam" act I can still put on and fully enjoy is The Dead.
I'm in the same boat. I was at Panic in the Streets and WSP's W2K show. I've done a Halloween weekend in NOLA, etc. I lost interested before Mike died(RIP). I just don't care about them anymore. I'm glad fans are still enjoying there shows but I don't see me ever getting into their new stuff. I'll probable still see them at Roo but hopefully it will be the last time.
Edit: At least as a headliner.
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We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
It's still sort of on topic, WSP is doing really terrible on this thing.
I did notice that. Even I'm a bit surprised given their outspoken fan base on here. I'm not sure if that speaks to the typical Inforoo frequenter, or if it's just a matter of a few squeaky wheels.
Great, thanks for stumbling me into the path of the Thread Nazi as well.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
It's a huge improvement. Much faster, easier, and funner to discover new bands.
I like seeing which bands are most popular. I wonder if they'll use that info when making the schedule. And would they use it to avoid bad conflicts or would they dick with the audience to split up crowds?
Is anyone else surprised that the Black Keys is the most popular band so far?
Not at all. The fact that they were put on a small stage opposite Flaming Lips Last year was ridiculous.
The low ranking of WSP and Eminem also confirms that most people aren't going for the headliners this year. The headliners are weak but it's still going to be a good festival with a ton of great bands. I just hope they notice this and realize that letting another band play during Eminem's set would be a lot kinder to the audience than setting up an ugly conflict like Black Keys v The Strokes (my current nightmare scenario).
I think that they will start to move away from that formula over the next 10 years, as people grow tired of the same couple of acts headlining Sunday each year. The fest will keep an emphasis on jambands, but mostly through the undercard. I think they've really limited themselves by trying to simultaneously compete with big fests like Coachella and Lollapalooza and jam-centric fests like Camp Bisco and AllGood.
Good points. If I really wanted to see WSP I could go to a dozen or so other festivals they're playing this year that are: 1) much cheaper 2) more manageable in size, and 3) will allow me to see at least half the scheduled bands. There are plenty of other jam fests if someone wants what Bonnaroo used to be. I loved hearing WSP in '05 but they're not why I'm still going to roo in '11.
The low ranking of WSP and Eminem also confirms that most people aren't going for the headliners this year.
Most years people don't go for the headliners.
Also, this just shows that the portion of attendees who decided to use this zoltaroo thing aren't clicking on Eminem or WSP as much as their other favorite bands. This isn't a good representation of all the Roo-goers.
Also, this just shows that the portion of attendees who decided to use this zoltaroo thing aren't clicking on Eminem or WSP as much as their other favorite bands. This isn't a good representation of all the Roo-goers.
Maybe. Or it shows that WSP and Eminem aren't among their favorite bands. We can't read their minds so all we know is that people aren't clicking them. I've been wondering whether or not its a good representation of the larger Roo audience. There's no way of knowing that either but I don't think we're going to see any better way of gauging the audience in advance than this.
The low ranking of WSP and Eminem also confirms that most people aren't going for the headliners this year.
Most years people don't go for the headliners.
Also, this just shows that the portion of attendees who decided to use this zoltaroo thing aren't clicking on Eminem or WSP as much as their other favorite bands. This isn't a good representation of all the Roo-goers.
Pretty sure it's a good indication. It may not be definitive proportions wise, but I'd say it's close.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 25, 2011 16:37:10 GMT -5
I read his original post too fast. I didn't see that he said "most people" aren't going for them. For some reason I felt like he was saying nobody is going so they could see Eminem or Widespread which I disagree with.......but nobody made that claim so I'm arguing with myself.
I'm surprised at Florence and the Machine's showing.
Me too but I've noticed her rapidly becoming more popular. She reminds me of Regina Spektor but I don't expect her to top Regina's stupendous set from last year.
Post by Funky Munky on Apr 25, 2011 16:51:15 GMT -5
This thing reminded me that Mavis Staples is on the poster. How cool, she's probably way to good to be heading up the middle of the pack but that's what makes Bonnaroo great.