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Did anyone else get pegged as a drug dealer when they weren't and get harassed by countless narcs ? Lord knows I sure did.
Anyways I'm posting this to see if any of you know why this festival has so many undercover narcs . Do they work for bonnaroo or the police department. And please if you're just going to say that I imagined the whole thing I've already heard that and please don't respond.
There were 73 arrested at Bonnaroo this year... not too bad.
I had my photo snapped by one of those god damned mountie dorks and the next time I went in centerroo, the narcs were all over me. I rushed to the main stage during tool and everytime I stopped moving they all were just bumping into me running over me and everything else before asking me for weed or acid or whatever. All I could do was keep moving to get away from them but they would see where I was going and radio more narcs telling them where I was going ( I saw this first hand so I know it was going on). In fact several times the same ones would come up in different clothes!!! I couldn't believe it, they would also kick me as a trail of them walked past where I sat... They were all very clean cut and freshly showered and shaved. There were females as well as males. They mockingly tried to act like they were stoned saying things like " woahhhh dude I'm really in need could you like you know like score me some pot duddee ?"
This went on for over an hour... and as far as I'm concerned this was a total outrage. This was my first roo and I had high hopes for this festie I love festies , but damn after spending all that dough to get there and having to put up with the blessing of waiting in line everytime I wanted to get to the stage...... Oh not to forget: the damn mountie snapping my pic and showing it to those narcs from hell ... I've been to tons of small festivals with less than 4,000 people and never encountered the types of narcs they had at roo. And also .. always had a good time.
The music was amazing.. I brought all my own food (never had to buy any) I was covered in that dept. For all the hype I've heard about this thing being the best ever... I just couldn't help to feel a little scammed; that was probably the most commercialized event I have ever been to.
I urge those of you out there with the money and the know how to start your own festival (we need more festivals! right) Some of my friends are talking about starting one down here in FLA.
I also calculated the beer and how much they made off that... its totally unnecessary to charge six bucks (esp after paying that much to get in) easily 200 foam free beers come out of one of those kegs... thats 1200 dollars... the keg at the very most cost 60 and who wants to walk 2 miles to get one from the campsite (I did a few times but come on) It just seems like another corporate company trying to make millions off of people.
I would say that roo has less than 3 years left before its played out and so commercial nobody wants to go... unless the lineup is good right?
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 14, 2007 10:48:52 GMT -5
Go to a baseball game or a football game, and try ordering a beer. Beer is expensive at every public outing, whether a sporting event or music festival. Bonnaroo has 80,000+ people in attendance every year, how is that supposed to stay away from "commercialization"?!?
Sorry you had an apparent miserable time with narcs, and as unbelievable as that sounds it really sucks to happen to you but I didn't see any of that going on. If you were that outraged with it, you should've said "look I know you're a narc so just go ahead and search me" assuming you weren't, in fact dealing like they had thought. And if you were, well, perhaps they had reason to be surrounding you.
Like I said, sorry you had a miserable experience and it wasn't what you expected, but now that it's a month after Roo I had expected these kinds of threads to subside and just disappear.
PS. I do believe reading somewhere that the average keg serves 160 solo cups of beer.
yeah I know ... believe I didn't want that to happen, I went there to have a good time. I waited to post this because I knew everyone would just say I'm crazy. I'm just being real and yes I tried to tell the narcs I didn't have anything and they didn't want to admit they were narcs... Monkey man I'm not making it up had I been a dealer I wouldn't be writing this post, come on dude. Truth be told: anyone who went through this would've been irritated and would want to ask questions.
Bonnaroo still has the goods... I'm just saying that all festies come to an end and I think this sun is about to set, Bonnaroo vets from all walks of life told me this (just cause this was my first roo doesn't mean I've never been to a festival there are other festies out there) year's roo was the most commercial and watered down... ex: last year 06 they had an arcade with cool retro arcade machines you could play, this year 07 they had a really cool xbox 360 tent which was cool but not much more than an advertisement ... Just because 80,000 people are there doesn't mean it has to be incredibly commercial... Does anyone remember woodstock 99 ? I think roo is basically right there already ... without biskit and metallica though thank godd.
Don't get me wrong, I started this thread to see if anyone knew anything about why there were so many undercovers not to bitch about roo, and also who these undercovers worked for (which I'm assuming is bonnaroo) However, I don't see what's wrong with roo getting better, I see it getting worse.
And if you think Im just being paranoid.. you my friend didn't go through what I went through. Cops categorize people its in their training ... maybe you aren't the type to get categorized...
Post by augustwest on Jul 14, 2007 11:54:57 GMT -5
I saw a bunch of real cops, if these "narcs" were working so hard you would think there would be more than 73 arrests over the weekend, hell if I was an undercover cop, I could have arrested hundreds of dealers just busting people selling stuff around my campsite. 6 bucks for a beer is not that bad, the bar I work at sells decent drafts for more than that.
I saw a bunch of real cops, if these "narcs" were working so hard you would think there would be more than 73 arrests over the weekend, hell if I was an undercover cop, I could have arrested hundreds of dealers just busting people selling stuff around my campsite. 6 bucks for a beer is not that bad, the bar I work at sells decent drafts for more than that.
They only made 73 arrests because they were to busy chasing people who weren't drug dealers... that's kind of the flaw with cops they are too busy harassing people that aren't doing anything wrong.
I could have made plenty of arrests If I was an udercover too (thats what makes what I saw completely ridiculous).. 6 bucks for a draft not bad.... I'd hate to live where you bartend bro... I'm a bartender our drafts go for 2 bucks ....
It seems like you guys are all on a bandwagon of smiting anyone who doesn't say that bonnaroo was the best thing ever, which isn't only lame its retarded .
Post by LucyRoo & AdamToo on Jul 14, 2007 13:53:49 GMT -5
The only experience I had with 'narcs' was on Thursday. Two older women came up to us and asked "If we had any pot, maaaan? We like haven't been able to find anything anywhere.... Do you have anything at all??" It seemed obviously contrived to me, but my friends tried directing them somewhere else before I promptly stopped them. I cut off their directions with, "No, sorry we haven't seen ANYTHING at all. Good luck though, maaaan." And that was that. No problems for the rest of the weekend.
I have seen so many "narcs" at raves when I was younger, so this to me was nothing. I can see being put off a bit, but if something like that ever happens again... be as forceful with them as they were to you. If your not selling you've got nothing to worry about, right?
yeah but.... why would I want to plan my vacation at a place where all the enemies are obviously not many people here know much about them : who they work for that kind of thing (the reason this thread was started) by the way you are the only one who replied saying you saw some narcs thank you . What you just described to you happened to me but only for over an hour think about explaining what you said to that woman more than 25 times. Its enough to leave a bad taste in ones mouth.
you said it was nothing to you (to run in to the two narcs you ran into and It seeems like it was nothing) because that one incident was just that one incident... for me it was a series of incidents that took up the duration of friday. I've been to plenty of these things as well and I've never seen so many narcs there must have been over one hundred just at that given time. I wouldn't feeel so passionately about exposing something that is nothing to worry about.
just cause my karma rating is low doesn't mean Im stupid . It means that I'm not afraid to offend some people.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 14, 2007 16:33:19 GMT -5
ok, to answer the question you really wanted to ask: the UCs probably worked for the local TN police. I don't think that Roo has anyone other than the labeled security staff working for them, and those guys aren't walking around trying to trick people, they're making sure nothing outrageous breaks out and ensures no girls sit on peoples shoulders for whatever reason.
And I was just sharing a tidbit of information about the number of servings in a keg, not correcting you. sorry if I gave off the wrong insinuation.
oh, and I haven't smited you if you think otherwise. Your karma actually is at the same level as it was when I first read this thread, so no harm really has been done.
Post by I Can't Wait! on Jul 14, 2007 18:26:34 GMT -5
DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH ANY OF THE AVATARS ON THIS BOARD!! They can see you, actually they are watching you. They are probably tracing your IP address as you type... quickly now, throw the computer out the window, close the blinds and for god's sake take the battery out of your cell phone, that thing has a gps tracking device in it. (that's how they kept track of you IN the crowd during tool.)
I have to go, there is a cat at my door asking for corn.....
BTW, I'm clean cut (kind of a job requirement) and I showered daily at Roo and changed clothes once a day or so just because a clean shirt sometimes feels good when the humidity is 99% and the temp is 90 and you're walking around in a dust bowl covered in sweat that is turning to mud on your person.
Post by LucyRoo & AdamToo on Jul 14, 2007 18:40:34 GMT -5
vinnyvink said:
yeah but.... why would I want to plan my vacation at a place where all the enemies are obviously not many people here know much about them : who they work for that kind of thing (the reason this thread was started) by the way you are the only one who replied saying you saw some narcs thank you . What you just described to you happened to me but only for over an hour think about explaining what you said to that woman more than 25 times. Its enough to leave a bad taste in ones mouth.
you said it was nothing to you (to run in to the two narcs you ran into and It seeems like it was nothing) because that one incident was just that one incident... for me it was a series of incidents that took up the duration of friday. I've been to plenty of these things as well and I've never seen so many narcs there must have been over one hundred just at that given time. I wouldn't feeel so passionately about exposing something that is nothing to worry about.
just cause my karma rating is low doesn't mean Im stupid . It means that I'm not afraid to offend some people.
Wow. I was not trying to piss you off further.... Just trying to see where you were coming from and sharing my experience, because I thought you were asking whether or not anyone else saw "narcs" at roo. I apologize that I did not have enough encounters with them to satisfy ya. I had a bad experience myself.. (see bonnaroo bomber thread but I didn't let that sour my first roo, in fact I think its hillarious now.
And no, it was nothing to me... I'm aware that there are gonna be some shady people, everywhere. Not just roo. Doesn't mean they're gonna ruin my weekend, or month, or year. But then again I try and maintain a positive attitude. As for there being "one hundred" at any given time... hmm. Sounds like a case of "the tin foil hats".
Okay, I'm done with the negativity....
CORN TO THE KIZ-AT!
I knew corn was a gateway drug.... I tried to warn him, but would he listen?!?
Post by LucyRoo & AdamToo on Jul 14, 2007 18:44:28 GMT -5
augwest said:
DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH ANY OF THE AVATARS ON THIS BOARD!! They can see you, actually they are watching you. They are probably tracing your IP address as you type... quickly now, throw the computer out the window, close the blinds and for god's sake take the battery out of your cell phone, that thing has a gps tracking device in it. (that's how they kept track of you IN the crowd during tool.)
I have to go, there is a cat at my door asking for corn.....
BTW, I'm clean cut (kind of a job requirement) and I showered daily at Roo and changed clothes once a day or so just because a clean shirt sometimes feels good when the humidity is 99% and the temp is 90 and you're walking around in a dust bowl covered in sweat that is turning to mud on your person.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! DON'T ANSWER!!! NOOOOOoooooo!
whenever i am on a certain type of enhancement, the world revolves around me. Every action people around me do, i think it is because of me, for me, against me, talking about me, good or bad, its all about me.
Post by universalmind on Jul 14, 2007 18:56:21 GMT -5
I'm confused. So you had your pic snapped by a mountie and then a few hours later they managed to pick you out of a crowd of 80,000 and harass you? Is that even plausible?
I over heard several people that I felt sure were Narcs and saw people that I wondered if they were undercover. I heard what sounded like several busts and warnings, but I went on about my business since I had all my getting harassed before I even got to Roo - got stopped twice within 15 min and they couldn't believe that I was alone in a 35 ft. RV. I posted a thread about that so I will spare you.
It was interesting to me that with 80,000 plus people that I kept seeing a lot of the same people and not in the same spots. I know that I moved several times to get away from a group just to have that group show up again and again elsewhere.
I had people ask me for a lot of different things over the weekend including baking soda. Then to top that I did see people that appeared to be acting like they were high then straighten up totally after who they were talking to had left. IT just stuck out like a broken foot and then to watch them do it again. It was also in different locations. Now, since I am older and attended with my adult children, I spent a lot of time sitting, waiting on someone in the group and watching the crowd.
One of my thoughts was how many of these people acting like security really were security? I am sure that once they saw that it bothered you that they probably added you to their fun. I do know that it appeared from the body language that some of the guys used their radios to alert some of their friends as to really hot looking females coming their way. I know that some of them appeared to follow the girls that had no tops on for a while and walk around where they could enjoy the view.
Like I said, I saw a lot at Bonnaroo and next year when the HP stops me and asks me if I know what all goes on at Bonnaroo, I can answer probably nothing that I didn't see last year.
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jul 15, 2007 13:16:58 GMT -5
I didn't have any narcs following me or asking me any questions, but i can say that i saw a female mountie tking pictures of people, but couldn't tell if they were taking them of dealers or just crazy looking folks for their memories. I did however see a dude get manhandled in centeroo by a hippie-clothed guy, when i told the dude to chil out he flashed a badge and i scooted since i was holdin'. coulda a been a narc or coulda been a con man that had a badge and was taking peoples stuff. either way i was wary of people but not paranoid. i am sorry you experiences ruined roo, i had a blast but probably won't ever return to roo( unless they only sell 50,000 tickets or so), i agree with ya vinnyvink, in that the sun is setting. but it is to be expected. See everyone at AllGood, greatfulfest, and Camp Zoe.