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The Walker administration requested that police clear the capitol of protesters and their belongings by 4pm today. This was the response from the head of the police union.
Police are sleeping in the capitol tonight amongst the protesters. God knows what would be happening right now if they weren't.
The goal of the protest tomorrow is to constitute the largest rally in Wisconsin history. I guess being the biggest demonstration this side of Vietnam isn't enough.
Here's hoping that peace and justice prevail sooner rather than later.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Feb 26, 2011 8:17:34 GMT -5
My union (SEIU 1199), is bussing people to Columbus on Tuesday for continued "rallies for the middle class". Our efforts here in Ohio against SB 5 are peanuts compared to what you guys are doing, but our voices are being heard nonetheless.
It's great to see solidarity amongst the cop unions with the rest of the public sector, especially being the police unions wouldn't be effected by Walker's proposal. Now if only the private sector could get on board- can I suggest a general strike?!
Workers of the the world unite- you have nothing to loose but your chains.
I never said he was close, just getting closer. And try and have a sense of humor even in this serious situation. I mean the camel thing is wee bit funny.
You know excluding cops and fire fighters was one of the slimiest, most blatantly political moves I've seen in a long time. Those two groups skew more conservatively and republican than your average state employee so he loses nothing politically and they are groups that are respected by most everyone for risking their lives. If Walker had tried to do this to their unions the outcry would have been even louder.
Cheers to both groups for standing in solidarity....an injury to one is an injury to all!
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You know excluding cops and fire fighters was one of the slimiest, most blatantly political moves I've seen in a long time. Those two groups skew more conservatively and republican than your average state employee so he loses nothing politically and they are groups that are respected by most everyone for risking their lives. If Walker had tried to do this to their unions the outcry would have been even louder.
Cheers to both groups for standing in solidarity....an injury to one is an injury to all!
We stand with Wisconsin!
Not to mention the police and firefighter unions were the only two unions who supported his nod for governor.
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i wonder if ex-speaker of the house pelosi is calling all the pro-union protesters "astro-turf" and "un-American"...just the way she called the protesters of the healthcare law. or does it just work one way?
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i wonder is ex-speaker of the house pelosi is calling all the pro-union protesters "astro-turf" and "un-American"...just the way she called the protesters of the healthcare law. or does it just work one way?
Hmmm so you are saying the teahdists corporate sponsored protests were less than grass roots then? Of course the difference is the unions are not lying about their involvement through thinly veiled PACS with names like "Americans For Prosperity".
im not saying anything about any group being authentic or not...however, it does seem funny that the ex-speaker would label a group one way for standing up for their beliefs, and be completely silent when it benefits the party she is aligned with
once again, seems to only work one way
edit: i wonder if the word "teahadist" is really civil. better be careful...someone who isnt stable in the head might read that and do something stupid. oh wait, it's almost two months since the shooting of rep giffords...please, tell me how you really feel
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im not saying anything about any group being authentic or not...however, it does seem funny that the ex-speaker would label a group one way for standing up for their beliefs, and be completely silent when it benefits the party she is aligned with
once again, seems to only work one way
Once again for those who were not listening the first time. Unions are exactly what they say they are, and do what they have always done it is not grass roots they are a established political force. They rely on a group membership with monthly contributions from the rank and file and support each other with solidarity. The teabaggers get free bus rides from billionaires. Yet you wonder why people question how genuine their "movement" is.
Also jiggy, you getting mad at partisan name calling is the funniest thing I have heard out of you in months. Have some irony it is good for your blood.
wow...billionaires giving FREE rides! i thought the people who pay the majority of all income taxes were penny-pinchers who only like to keep their money.
and believe me wolf, i do have a sense of humor, and a good one at that. however, i will call out a double-standard if i do see one. i seem to remember like 99% of everyone who posts in the "current issues under obama" thread were moaning about bullseyes, and quotes from repubs as the cause of giffords shooting.
once again, for those not listening...does it really go one way?
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Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Feb 28, 2011 0:04:32 GMT -5
Hiya jigawig! It was good to meet you in NOLA.
Just for clarification purposes. Pelosi did not call the protesters or protests themselves "un-American". It was because they were causing disruptions to the point that civil debate at town hall meetings had become impossible. These were not street protests she was speaking of.
"Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American." Is the actual quote.
Additionally, while there is a higher percentage of TOTAL taxes paid to the government by the top wage earners ("the majority of taxes"), they are not being burdened, nor deserve to be pointed out as paying "the majority of all income taxes". Their PERSONAL percentage of total income and earnings paid to taxes is not necessarily disproportionate in comparison to all lower wage earners. 20% of $100.00 will always equal more than 20% of $10.00. But it is 20% nonetheless.
Because I have no loop-holes I can take advantage of I paid 34% of my income to taxes/SS/Medicare. 19% went to the Feds. And I received no refund last year, mind you, despite being the mother of 2. So your statement is a bit misleading, as middle to upper middle class wage earners in this country tend to pay a higher percentage of their incomes/earnings to taxes than some of their wealthier neighbors.
Frankly, I'm not sure what relevance that statement had to this discussion or your point in general. It came across as a means to be condescending towards those not included in the "majority of all income tax" payers. I do agree with you that as a general rule, we should hold each other/ each party equally accountable for their actions, statements, stated values etc. I'm so tired of this mindless wheel spinning that goes on in the name of emotionally charged partisanship.
wow...billionaires giving FREE rides! i thought the people who pay the majority of all income taxes were penny-pinchers who only like to keep their money.
and believe me wolf, i do have a sense of humor, and a good one at that. however, i will call out a double-standard if i do see one. i seem to remember like 99% of everyone who posts in the "current issues under obama" thread were moaning about bullseyes, and quotes from repubs as the cause of giffords shooting.
once again, for those not listening...does it really go one way?
So you're comparing rhetoric that accuses a group of people for being violent to rhetoric that draws on calls to violent action?
wow...billionaires giving FREE rides! i thought the people who pay the majority of all income taxes were penny-pinchers who only like to keep their money.
and believe me wolf, i do have a sense of humor, and a good one at that. however, i will call out a double-standard if i do see one. i seem to remember like 99% of everyone who posts in the "current issues under obama" thread were moaning about bullseyes, and quotes from repubs as the cause of giffords shooting.
once again, for those not listening...does it really go one way?
Really that is how you remember it? I remember most of us saying it seemed like it was the work of a disturbed individual.
Also sorry there is no double standard here jiggsy, the Union supporters are middle class people fed up with their government pooling their resources to protest. That is what a grass roots movement is. When you are funded by billionaires who pay appreciably smaller percentage of their income in taxes than I do to bus angry people around you are a astroturf group. This are the two definitions there is no double standard.
Tea Parties have to have people bussed in from all over to achieve 1/2 the number of people currently protesting in Wisconsin. And the TV interviews in WI don't show people who are completely unhinged from reality like the Tea Party (ie: keep your gov't hands off my medicare). I don't really think you can compare the two groups other than the obvious fact that they are both protesting something. One is organized by PAC's and lobbyists and the other is not.
What I don't understand is how Walker got elected in the first place. From what I've understood, WI became a Republican majority in the last election due to the tea party. Or at least that's what's being reporte
