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Post by Lawn Gnome on Jun 16, 2010 16:42:48 GMT -5
So I'm sure many of you have heard about the Big XII losing both Nebraska and Colorado, and almost losing Texas and Texas A&M. It's sad that TV money caused all this, but it's interesting at the same time. Personally, I'm glad A&M didn't come to the SEC.
However, I think we all know who wears the pants in the Big XII now, as if we didn't already. They should rename the Big XII "Texas and the B!tch 9."
Your thoughts on the matter? I'd really like to hear from some Big 10 or Texas and the B!tch 9 fans on this one.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Jun 16, 2010 21:33:31 GMT -5
I actually really like Nebraska to the Big Ten. I mean they were already a Big Ten team playing in the Big 12 as far as football goes, which is mostly what I care about. I am also pretty psyched for a championship game, seems it gives teams a little extra momentum in the polls at the end of the year.
if the changes stop right where they are, i think it will be a good thing. the big 10(11) now has 12 and can have a championship game and same for the pac 10, now 12. i guess the old big 12 needs to pick up 2 more teams. hopefully the sec and acc don't change any.
Kansas loses four easy wins in basketball. But I don't think it will matter in the long run. What does the N stand for on the side of Nebraska helmets? Knowledge!
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jun 17, 2010 12:38:09 GMT -5
Colorado and Nebraska are both in much better situations now.
Colorado gets more $$$ out of the deal, and with the imminent downfall of USC, they may have a better shot at a BCS bowl now.
Nebraska is the big winner, in exposure. The Nebraska vs OSU/PSU/Mich/Wisc/Iowa games are going to be hyped every weekend on ESPN next year, a year before the games even happen. This is a big jump that gets them out of the irrelevant B12 North, where Colorado and Mizzou were their annual "big" games (with the occasional halfway decent but overrated team from Kansas thrown in).
And count me in as glad the SEC didn't pick up A&M. If the SEC expands, they'll do so to get in on a new TV market. That's fine, but I'd also like them to go after good teams at the same time.
Post by Lawn Gnome on Jun 17, 2010 12:49:42 GMT -5
^If the conference expansion trend becomes par for the course (as I suspect it will), Mike Slive will probably push for SEC expansion. The question is where and who. IMO, FL State and VA Tech would be far better acquisitions with respect to tradition, competitiveness, and, of course, TV market expansion. A&M's courting was an attempt to potentially break into the cash-cow Texas TV market.
I think the trend will spell the end, eventually, of the Big East and ACC as we know it. If the Big 10 expands further it will probably be with Big East teams such as BC and Rutgers, in an attempt to break into those lucrative markets. You may see the two merge and add teams that are dying to get out of their crappy conferences (Memphis comes to mind). It's gonna be interesting ya'll...
^If the conference expansion trend becomes par for the course (as I suspect it will), Mike Slive will probably push for SEC expansion. The question is where and who. IMO, FL State and VA Tech would be far better acquisitions with respect to tradition, competitiveness, and, of course, TV market expansion. A&M's courting was an attempt to potentially break into the cash-cow Texas TV market.
I think the trend will spell the end, eventually, of the Big East and ACC as we know it. If the Big 10 expands further it will probably be with Big East teams such as BC and Rutgers, in an attempt to break into those lucrative markets. You may see the two merge and add teams that are dying to get out of their crappy conferences (Memphis comes to mind). It's gonna be interesting ya'll...
This idea gets thrown around a lot on espn for the past year or two. The idea of just three or so mega conferences. It would essentially make all teams out of these divisions basically 1-AA teams imo.
I think the trend will spell the end, eventually, of the Big East and ACC as we know it. If the Big 10 expands further it will probably be with Big East teams such as BC and Rutgers, in an attempt to break into those lucrative markets. You may see the two merge and add teams that are dying to get out of their crappy conferences (Memphis comes to mind). It's gonna be interesting ya'll...
I agree, LG (except Big East already had BC taken from them by the ACC a few years ago). Rumor is that Memphis may be headed to the BE as we speak.
^Yeah, BC is ACC. My bad. Either way, they may be raided should the Big 10 want into the Boston market.
I'm originally from Memphis, and while I'm not at all a Tigers fan, I do follow the news there carefully. RC Johnson has stated that the rumors coming out of Florida about a BE invitation may not be true, though secretiveness in this business is the norm.
^Yeah, BC is ACC. My bad. Either way, they may be raided should the Big 10 want into the Boston market.
True, and if the B10 could somehow pick up ND, they might go after BC. That would be a nice conference rivalry, and the pair would be a good score for the B10.
Post by Dave Maynar on Jun 18, 2010 22:46:40 GMT -5
I don't see Notre Dame going to a conference. NBC televises all their games (even in the years they were horrid). They get clout in the polls just because they're Notre Dame. It just wouldn't make sense for them to join up.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jun 18, 2010 23:22:12 GMT -5
From what I've heard, the B10 schools all get a good bit more money from the B10 Network than ND does from NBC. At this point, it might make good financial sense for both ND and NBC to end that contract.
But I agree, I would be surprised to see them join the B10.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 10 soon raid the Big East, the SEC raid the ACC.
Then the remnants of the Big East and ACC would form a super-conference. The non-football Big East schools like Providence, St. Johns, Seton Hall, etc... would likely get left in the dust. Small conference, 1AA level.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jun 24, 2010 8:59:34 GMT -5
So now the OU president is saying that the SEC invited A&M and OU, but that they turned the invitation down. OU would be a great addition, of course -- better than the B10 getting Neb. But I'm still glad we didn't add A&M.
I still have the feeling that expansion is just getting started. The B12 or whatever they are now might last, but I would be surprised if that conference is still intact in 2 years.
Post by GratefulHippie on Jun 24, 2010 22:20:33 GMT -5
ok, so for starters, i'm an Aggie. and a proud one at that. i'm not really sure where all this hate is coming from. not to mention i'm not sure you know ANYTHING about A&M if you think there are other schools with so much more tradition that it makes a difference in your opinion. i'll give you VTech, but that's only because their school is basically the A&M of the ACC based on the whole corps thing. and i really like VTech...i'll root for them anytime they aren't playing us.
as for A&M going to the SEC...it would have been the best thing our school did for us since lord knows when. we will forever be in longwhorns' shadow if we don't stop bowing to their every whim. they are on the fast track to becoming another Notre Dame, and we'll be left with nothing. the rebuilding sherman has done for this team has been phenomenal. we're getting top recruits, our QB is poised to be one of the best this coming season, and we're very young so we have plenty of room to improve. being sent to the SEC probably would have yielded us the same break-even record we've been maintaining for the past couple years, but it also would have forced us to become better. our recruiting base would expand exponentially.
i am livid that we ended up stuck in this big "12" mess. i could give a crap if Nebraska and Colorado left...they were in the north and were never a threat anyway (not in recent years). although i have to say that i'd rather be stuck with texas/ou/osu than be in the PAC 10.
i'm not really sure where all this hate is coming from. not to mention i'm not sure you know ANYTHING about A&M if you think there are other schools with so much more tradition that it makes a difference in your opinion.
Hippie, I don't think what you're seeing is hate. A&M offers great tradition, sure, but on the same level as Ole Miss (check the football national championships). The problem is that A&M offers as much for the present and future as Ole Miss does. Why does the SEC need another Ole Miss?
I'm a Bama fan. We know plenty about A&M. You're obviously a big A&M fan, so I'm sure I don't have to explain the connection to you.
Post by GratefulHippie on Jun 24, 2010 22:50:43 GMT -5
i guarantee you we have 10x the spirit of a school like ole miss. would we perform at their level for a few years in the SEC? of course. but like i've already said...it would force us to become better. getting a recruit who has to decide between playing at Texas in the effed up version of the Big 12, and at A&M where they get to play in two viewing areas, as well as play teams like Bama, Florida, and LSU...we would be playing at a highly competitive level before anyone even realized it was happening.
i know everyone who's a die hard fan of their alma mater will say the same thing, but you haven't lived til you've seen a football game at Kyle Field. it is literally deafening.
i guarantee you we have 10x the spirit of a school like ole miss. would we perform at their level for a few years in the SEC? of course. but like i've already said...it would force us to become better. getting a recruit who has to decide between playing at Texas in the effed up version of the Big 12, and at A&M where they get to play in two viewing areas, as well as play teams like Bama, Florida, and LSU...we would be playing at a highly competitive level before anyone even realized it was happening.
i know everyone who's a die hard fan of their alma mater will say the same thing, but you haven't lived til you've seen a football game at Kyle Field. it is literally deafening.
I've seen lots of games at Kyle Field, and there really isn't anything quite like it anywhere else. I've got family ties that run pretty deep in College Station although I'm not an Aggie. What's painful to watch knowing that A&M has piles of cash from alumni and merch sales, (not to mention a cut of every Seattle Seahawks #12 jersey) never an empty seat, all the markers of an elite program... still watching them lose to teams like Arkansas State. A&M does the least with the most of any sports organization I've ever seen. NOT going to the SEC was a horrible idea, but there's that Texas law that keeps t.u. and A&M in the same conference. If the school in Austin isn't invited to the dance, the Ags don't get to go either. Likewise, they won't be going to the PAC-10 if the Ags don't wanna.
Post by hibouxdufromage on Jun 26, 2010 1:04:28 GMT -5
Back to general topic... Boise State, TCU, and Utah have forced the BCS hand, and I think that's why this is happening. A handful of schools have taken full advantage of the 85 scholly limit and the APR restrictions, even lowly Sun Belt schools are beating traditional powerhouse-conference members now instead of taking a check and a whoopin'. BCS schools see this and are starting to circle the wagons (ex: last season's Fiesta Bowl was a harbinger). I wouldn't be surprised to see an expanded SEC, PAC-##, BIG-## and BIG-##, they give the NCAA the middle finger, start paying their players, and everyone else gets left out. BIG IRONY: SMU will get left out if that happens.