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They should improve a bit on last year. I'm hoping for .500 personally. The health problems have been crazy the last few years, Boston seriously needs to catch a break.
But the AL East has become the division of death. (Thanks to the Yankees.) It's entirely possible they still finish in last place and be near .500, when in some other division they could be running for the playoffs - even while playing Oakland.
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Post by funkybuttlovin on Dec 8, 2012 11:25:50 GMT -5
Boston needs to catch a break? Please, your organization has been so poorly run these past few years. The AL East is GREAT baseball now THANKS TO THE YANKEES. The competition will be great and something baseball has been lacking. Just because the Sox can't get it together (even though they are making good moves) isn't the Yankees fault. Give ME a break, the Red Sox just need to catch up. I'm sorry I just think that post was ridiculous because it seems like you don't want your team in a good division.
And I don't like what the Yankees have done this offseason so far and now Youk? No thanks. The Yankees should be signing Hamilton in the offseason, preparing Chavez to take A-Rods spot and develop Chris Stewart to be our starting catcher.
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I doubt it. There is little credible evidence showing they have serious interest. And it flies in the face of the team's direction as shown with some of these recent signings. Sure Napoli and Victorino are overpaid with these contracts, but they aren't that risky in comparison to what Hamilton will command. Napoli and Victorino will probably bring a better dynamic to the clubhouse and the younger players on the roster. Hamilton won't. The Sox might have asked for his price, but I highly doubt they'd go for it.
With the 18M a year they splashed on the outfield, plus some kids coming up in the minors and Cody Ross still available - Hamilton will NOT come to Boston. I wouldn't want him here either. (Ditto Nick Swisher.) I rather have Cody Ross back, work with what we have now, and wait for the kids in the minors to come to fruition. Hamilton is fragile goods, mentally and physically - and I'd be shocked if he left the AL West to be honest. Signing Hamilton would not be the smartest thing to do for the team, it just regresses to the Theo Epstein era of making flashy FA signings to be Yankees lite.
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Post by Alberto Balsalm on Dec 8, 2012 17:48:20 GMT -5
What are the Phillies doing? They give up a young MLB ready pitcher in Worley, 2 of the organizations top prospects in an already depleted farm system, plus another young reliever for Ben Revere and Michael Young?
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Dec 8, 2012 17:51:05 GMT -5
Also I REALLY hope the Tribe end up dealing Asdrubal for Tyler Skaggs (or I guess Bauer but I'd much prefer Skaggs)
I am gonna be so pissed if we fail to get a deal done with Cabrera. Every offseason the Indians act like they're gonna be so active in signing free agents and making trades and we never end up doing anything. If Cabrera, Choo and C. Perez are all on the opening day roster I'm gonna be sick. If it were up to me I'd deal all 3
Also I REALLY hope the Tribe end up dealing Asdrubal for Tyler Skaggs (or I guess Bauer but I'd much prefer Skaggs)
I am gonna be so pissed if we fail to get a deal done with Cabrera. Every offseason the Indians act like they're gonna be so active in signing free agents and making trades and we never end up doing anything. If Cabrera, Choo and C. Perez are all on the opening day roster I'm gonna be sick. If it were up to me I'd deal all 3
Cabrera for Lance Lynn (or Jaime Garcia)/Schumaker from St. Louis
Also I REALLY hope the Tribe end up dealing Asdrubal for Tyler Skaggs (or I guess Bauer but I'd much prefer Skaggs)
I am gonna be so pissed if we fail to get a deal done with Cabrera. Every offseason the Indians act like they're gonna be so active in signing free agents and making trades and we never end up doing anything. If Cabrera, Choo and C. Perez are all on the opening day roster I'm gonna be sick. If it were up to me I'd deal all 3
Cabrera for Lance Lynn (or Jaime Garcia)/Schumaker from St. Louis
Cabrera for Lance Lynn (or Jaime Garcia)/Schumaker from St. Louis
Asdrubal for Shelby Miller.
Deal.
Oh don't do me like that. I've always had mixed feelings about what they shoud do with Shelby. There's times when I wish they would bait him out there, and then there's times like after this postseason when I would never imagine them getting rid of him. It's a tough call. Probably not for Asdrubal. Remember the Cards still have one year left on Furcal, and Mozeliak is encouraged by the way his wrist is healing. They'd just go with him before shipping Miller for Cabrera IMO.
Boston needs to catch a break? Please, your organization has been so poorly run these past few years. The AL East is GREAT baseball now THANKS TO THE YANKEES. The competition will be great and something baseball has been lacking. Just because the Sox can't get it together (even though they are making good moves) isn't the Yankees fault. Give ME a break, the Red Sox just need to catch up. I'm sorry I just think that post was ridiculous because it seems like you don't want your team in a good division.
And I don't like what the Yankees have done this offseason so far and now Youk? No thanks. The Yankees should be signing Hamilton in the offseason, preparing Chavez to take A-Rods spot and develop Chris Stewart to be our starting catcher.
Maybe I'm missing something....but what's so bad about this trade?
He gets Shields (top tier pitcher) and Davis (solid mid-rotational pitcher....and also married to my ex g/f's best friend, he's a pretty cool guy) and gives up one top level prospect and 3 mid-level prospects.
The Royals are close to competing in a weak AL Central and now they have their ace pitcher, plus another guy to fill in the rotation. WIth both their lineup and pitching in need of serious upgrades I don't see why this is such a negative. I realize Shields is 30 and Davis is (I believe) 27, but there's also no guarantee that Odorizzi is anything above average and they have to give up a bat like Myers to get a top level starting pitcher.
Maybe you guys can sway my vote, but without looking too far into the two lower-level prospects or waiting for the Rays' PTBNL, what's so bad about this deal?
Maybe I'm missing something....but what's so bad about this trade?
He gets Shields (top tier pitcher) and Davis (solid mid-rotational pitcher....and also married to my ex g/f's best friend, he's a pretty cool guy) and gives up one top level prospect and 3 mid-level prospects.
The Royals are close to competing in a weak AL Central and now they have their ace pitcher, plus another guy to fill in the rotation. WIth both their lineup and pitching in need of serious upgrades I don't see why this is such a negative. I realize Shields is 30 and Davis is (I believe) 27, but there's also no guarantee that Odorizzi is anything above average and they have to give up a bat like Myers to get a top level starting pitcher.
Maybe you guys can sway my vote, but without looking too far into the two lower-level prospects or waiting for the Rays' PTBNL, what's so bad about this deal?
For one, Wade Davis wasn't even average in his two full seasons as a starter. He did well out of the bullpen last year, but relief pitching was the only thing that didn't suck for the Royals last year.
Also, Shields will be 31 in like a week and only has two years left on his contract. Even if Hosmer/Moustakas/Cain all progress well, what's the ceiling for the Royals, maybe like 83-85 wins? They're basically trading six years of team control of a top 10 prospect for a chance to maybe potentially compete for a sh*tty division in the next two years, only to return to sucking in 2015 and beyond. If you trade a prospect like Myers you absolutely need someone with more than two years left on their contract. And preferably not someone on the wrong side of 30.
Maybe I'm missing something....but what's so bad about this trade?
He gets Shields (top tier pitcher) and Davis (solid mid-rotational pitcher....and also married to my ex g/f's best friend, he's a pretty cool guy) and gives up one top level prospect and 3 mid-level prospects.
The Royals are close to competing in a weak AL Central and now they have their ace pitcher, plus another guy to fill in the rotation. WIth both their lineup and pitching in need of serious upgrades I don't see why this is such a negative. I realize Shields is 30 and Davis is (I believe) 27, but there's also no guarantee that Odorizzi is anything above average and they have to give up a bat like Myers to get a top level starting pitcher.
Maybe you guys can sway my vote, but without looking too far into the two lower-level prospects or waiting for the Rays' PTBNL, what's so bad about this deal?
For one, Wade Davis wasn't even average in his two full seasons as a starter. He did well out of the bullpen last year, but relief pitching was the only thing that didn't suck for the Royals last year.
Also, Shields will be 31 in like a week and only has two years left on his contract. Even if Hosmer/Moustakas/Cain all progress well, what's the ceiling for the Royals, maybe like 83-85 wins? They're basically trading six years of team control of a top 10 prospect for a chance to maybe potentially compete for a sh*tty division in the next two years, only to return to sucking in 2015 and beyond. If you trade a prospect like Myers you absolutely need someone with more than two years left on their contract. And preferably not someone on the wrong side of 30.
See, this is the Royals we're talking about. They haven't competed since the eighties! A trade that can bring them some semblance of respectability is worth a shot, no?
And yes, they sacrificed their top prospect, but remember that Alex Gordon was a much bigger prospect than Myers is at the same point in Gordon's hype and he's been good, but not great. You know you're getting an ace with well over 200 IP for a guy who may very well end up letting you down the way Gordon has.
So, would I want to trade a top prospect for a 30 y/o pitcher? No. But would I strongly consider it if I was running the Royals, needed to get people to actually show up to games and see that the division I play in is the weakest in baseball (or in the discussion)? Yeah, I would. I may not pull the trigger, but I'd at least have a lengthy conversation with the rest of the front office about it.
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Dec 10, 2012 13:52:35 GMT -5
Myers is more than just a top 10 prospect too, he's arguably the top prospect in the game right now. Odorizzi is a major-league ready SP that was the Royals top pitching prospect. Mike Montgomery was regarded as their 2nd pitching prospect behind Odorizzi and, despite a bit of a setback last year, is still a top LHP prospect.
So, arguably #1 hitting prospect in the MLB (Who plays a position where the Royals are currently trotting out a below-replacement level OF), best pitching prospect in organization (Also top 15 in the MLB) and your next best pitching prospect for a 32-year old borderline ace with 2 years left on contract and a replacement-level arm on a team that was far from contending last year? They mortgaged their entire future to most likely be DECENT next year, I really don't see James Shields making them a contender next year, or staying in KC after his contract is up.
It's a desperate deal from a team that shouldn't have been desperate with the type of young talent they have both in the majors and the minors. However, they have a desperate GM in Dayton Moore who probably knows that he is getting fired soon if he doesn't do SOMETHING soon so he sabotaged the team's future in hope for some extra wins this year and MAYBE a play-in game birth if everything goes 100% perfect for the team this season to save his job.
From afar the deal looks eerily similar to some other desperate deals from small-market teams who were itching to compete, like when the Expos traded Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips (all specs at the time) for Bartolo Colon, or when the Braves traded Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Neftali Felix and Jarrod Saltalamacchia for Mark Teixeira.
Obviously Myers, Odorizzi and Montgomery aren't sure things, but if those guys even come close to reaching their full potential we will be looking back at this trade in several years and laughing at how dumb the Royals are
Myers is more than just a top 10 prospect too, he's arguably the top prospect in the game right now. Odorizzi is a major-league ready SP that was the Royals top pitching prospect. Mike Montgomery was regarded as their 2nd pitching prospect behind Odorizzi and, despite a bit of a setback last year, is still a top LHP prospect.
So, arguably #1 hitting prospect in the MLB (Who plays a position where the Royals are currently trotting out a below-replacement level OF), best pitching prospect in organization (Also top 15 in the MLB) and your next best pitching prospect for a 32-year old borderline ace with 2 years left on contract and a replacement-level arm on a team that was far from contending last year? They mortgaged their entire future to most likely be DECENT next year, I really don't see James Shields making them a contender next year, or staying in KC after his contract is up.
It's a desperate deal from a team that shouldn't have been desperate with the type of young talent they have both in the majors and the minors. However, they have a desperate GM in Dayton Moore who probably knows that he is getting fired soon if he doesn't do SOMETHING soon so he sabotaged the team's future in hope for some extra wins this year and MAYBE a play-in game birth if everything goes 100% perfect for the team this season to save his job.
From afar the deal looks eerily similar to some other desperate deals from small-market teams who were itching to compete, like when the Expos traded Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips (all specs at the time) for Bartolo Colon, or when the Braves traded Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Neftali Felix and Jarrod Saltalamacchia for Mark Teixeira.
Obviously Myers, Odorizzi and Montgomery aren't sure things, but if those guys even come close to reaching their full potential we will be looking back at this trade in several years and laughing at how dumb the Royals are
Odorizzi is a middle rotation guy at best, IMO. I see this same thing in the NFL, where unproven prospects are over-valued because of their potential.
Myers is a beast. Royals knew they'd have to trade him in order to get a ace in return, and they knew they had other young arms that could overtake Odorizzi (Zimmer is really their #1 pitching prospect, anyway).
And I think you're overrating Montgomery substantially. He's nothing special (not even in the team's top-10 prospects prior to the trade. He did have Baseball America's "nicest change-up" in the Royals' system, though.
They traded a top-10 prospect (that everyone was asking for in order to trade a starting pitcher of elite quality), a solid SP prospect, and two coin-flip prospects. Considering they need to get people to go to games (something that I weigh when reviewing trades like this) in order to even have a team, it's not a terrible trade. The Giants showed you win with pitching & defense first and hitting second, so this is following that simple blueprint to competing.
Other, simpler moves probably make more sense for the Royals. Perfect example: Kyle Lohse. Don't lose any of those prospects signing a free agent pitcher coming off a career year who got votes for a Cy Young award.
And you can thank Boras for that. However, I did think he would have made a lot of sense for KC. He's a great pitcher if the park he's pitching in can play to his strenghts. Great ground ball pitcher until he tries to elevate. For instance, I saw the Sox were talking to him and Fenway would be terrible for him IMO. However, he can make sense for some teams, even at the price he's at.
BTW Balsalm, I know you said Shelby Miller, but what do you think the Indians would do if the Cards offered Lance Lynn? With or without schumaker for asdrubal. Not your opinion, just an educated guess as to how the Indians would act.
And you can thank Boras for that. However, I did think he would have made a lot of sense for KC. He's a great pitcher if the park he's pitching in can play to his strenghts. Great ground ball pitcher until he tries to elevate. For instance, I saw the Sox were talking to him and Fenway would be terrible for him IMO. However, he can make sense for some teams, even at the price he's at.
Lohse actually really isn't a ground ball pitcher, his career GB% is around 41%, the league average is 44%. Most ground ball pitchers are above 50%.
Lohse is just an average pitcher who has gotten really lucky on balls in play the last two seasons and posted an abnormally high strand rate for his career average last season which has led to very inflated and misleading ERA and win totals the last two seasons, which will likely lead him to get 1/2 pitcher type money when in reality he is closer to a 3/4 pitcher. I really can't see a contract that Lohse will get that he will match with his value, I'd say it's almost certain that he will underperform whatever contract he ends up getting.
As for Asdrubal for Lynn, I'm really not sure because I'm not sure how MLB scouts view Lynn. I had never heard much about him until last season when he kinda came out of nowhere. Do scouts view him as a flash in the pan or the real deal? The fact that he got yanked from the rotation last season so quickly for Joe Kelly makes me think flash in the pan, but at the same time he was throwing a lot of innings for a rookie so maybe they just wanted to ease up on his arm a little bit. Upon doing some research I found out that he was a first round draft pick, and has always posted elite strikeout numbers, so that part at least wasn't a fluke.
I would be inclined to say yes, maybe with another lower level arm like a Joe Kelly thrown in, but again I'm really not sure how scouts view Lynn, he is one of the big pitching question marks heading into next season IMO.
This is just a question I'm posing for the sake of conversation (Alberto, I agree with you on Loshe): at what point does it stop being luck?
By that I mean, let's just say a guy is known for throwing balls that are put in play, but he rarely misses to the point that he gives up a lot of HR's. He posts, year after year, high strand rates and low BABIP, I mean, it'd be rare, but there has to be pitchers who have done that for the long haul, right?
