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The Yankees have become the team of the 1%, pricing out most of its fans from games. Probably to pay for that 200 something million roster.
That and half their fan base accepts nothing short of a World Series.
Quacker and I proudly support the 1% around here then.
I secured tickets for game 4 of the ALCS for the boys just before Jeter broke his ankle. Jeter is a terrific person and a terrific, reliable player. He is the George Brett or Cal Ripken of this generation. A loyal, true blue, committed baseball lover. All he wanted to do is play for the Yankees as a little league ball player. He lights a fire under the rest of the team. He will be sorely missed this post-season, especially since most of the team seems to be a bunch of "choke artists"* once October rolls around (as some would say) I figure New York must be a hard city to play ball for
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I stay out of this thread for the most part, due to my lack of the appropriate appendages. Therefore I am late to the game here. But what a bunch of Moneyball, Billy Bean, New Age malarky. Not that anything I'll say can convince you that the the way that baseball has been measured for the last 100 years has validity...Yet Cabrera is in the ALCS and Mike Trout is sitting at home on his mom's couch crying and watching Moneyball. September does matter more, Cabrera led his team to the playoffs and Trout led his home.
People used to think the Earth was flat a long time ago, too. I guess if you would have lived in those times you would have lauded the validity of out-dated theories in opposition to the idea of a round Earth as well. We know a lot more about the game now than we did 100 years ago, and therefore have developed methods to better analyze players. You can keep living and thinking in 1912 times if you'd like, but I'll go with the Billy Beane "malarky" - as I believe you put it. The guy whose team just won the toughest division in baseball with the 2nd lowest payroll, who had a book and a film made about his innovative thinking, and who made every franchise in the MLB spend millions of dollars in research staffs to change the way they analyze and recruit players in order to keep up with him. Have fun counting RBI on your abacus, though.
As for the very tired "playoffs" argument, I just really don't see how one can clearly see that:
Player A has a massive advantage over Player B in 1/3 of the game, a massive advantage in the second of the three aspects of the game, and they are neutral in the third
yet somehow conclude Player B is more valuable to his team as a byproduct of factors out of his control that surround him. Clearly Player A added more to his team, yet you fault him for the shortcomings of his peers? How is that fair? Trout helped the Angels win more games than Cabrera did for the Tigers, but missed out on the playoffs by technicality. You're diminishing Trout's achievements because his teammates weren't good enough to help the Angels make the playoffs. Is having better teammates a skill? Is playing in a weaker division a skill? Why is Cabrera being rewarded for playing on a better team? Switch Miggy and Trout and the Tigers would have won more games and the Angels less than they did...how exactly is Cabrera more valuable? "Because he helped his team win games when it mattered", right? Does a win in September count more towards the standings than wins in May, June, July and August? (the 4 consecutive months that Trout helped his team win games - which still "counted" just as much as the September games - more than Cabrera)
Ahahahahah!! I forgot I posted this shiz. I get pretty ballsy with a bottle of Pinot in me. I love looking back on InfoRoo and Facebook after lushy nights and laughing at the crap I managed to come up with once my filters were removed.
That being said, I do stand behind the statement. I'll tell ya why when I have a minute tomorrow.
* This will be part of my argument when it comes to the Sept vs the rest of the year stats.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
The Yankees have become the team of the 1%, pricing out most of its fans from games. Probably to pay for that 200 something million roster.
That and half their fan base accepts nothing short of a World Series.
Quacker and I proudly support the 1% around here then.
I secured tickets for game 4 of the ALCS for the boys just before Jeter broke his ankle. Jeter is a terrific person and a terrific, reliable player. He is the George Brett or Cal Ripken of this generation. A loyal, true blue, committed baseball lover. All he wanted to do is play for the Yankees as a little league ball player. He lights a fire under the rest of the team. He will be sorely missed this post-season, especially since most of the team seems to be a bunch of "choke artists"* once October rolls around (as some would say) I figure New York must be a hard city to play ball for
Quacker and I proudly support the 1% around here then.
I secured tickets for game 4 of the ALCS for the boys just before Jeter broke his ankle. Jeter is a terrific person and a terrific, reliable player. He is the George Brett or Cal Ripken of this generation. A loyal, true blue, committed baseball lover. All he wanted to do is play for the Yankees as a little league ball player. He lights a fire under the rest of the team. He will be sorely missed this post-season, especially since most of the team seems to be a bunch of "choke artists"* once October rolls around (as some would say) I figure New York must be a hard city to play ball for
I'm going to have to hope against hope that this series ends up like the 1996 WS against the Braves. The Yankees looked overmatched losing the first two at home and then stormed back. But with Jeter out and the way A-Roid, Granderson, Swisher and Cano are swinging the bat right now it looks pretty bleak.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
No, when the Mets make the playoffs they don't bend over and take it like a $2 hooker. Sorry.
No, they just do that at the All-Star break.
Right, when the entire world isn't watching. We also fill the stadium in the rare event we have a playoff game there. Oh, and they don't pay their #1 pinch hitter $30 million.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Oct 17, 2012 22:35:55 GMT -5
Fuuuuuuck you MLB. We were delayed for 1.5 hours before the cancellation came. I can't come back up tomorrow. The boys can. Some guy offered me 10 bucks for my $100 ticket. Fuuuuuck him too.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Right, when the entire world isn't watching. We also fill the stadium in the rare event we have a playoff game there. Oh, and they don't pay their #1 pinch hitter $30 million.
We will never know if Citi Field will ever host a playoff game and the Mets aren't good enough for the whole world to watch. Yeah, tickets are expensive and the schedule was shortly announced. I wouldn't pay $100 to see this team to be honest because they remind me of the Mets. I would only pay around $20 which is what I would expect to pay at a Mets game. Why? Because they are the Mets and you expect them to bow out sometime in the season. You know you can't win the playoffs with the longball and the Yankees (I don't think) won a single game without won.
But they're my team and deep down in my gut I believe in them because I am a diehard fan. A-Rod's contract is beyond ridiculous, I am plenty aware of that and his actions over the last few days are disgusting but prior to this, I want to root for this guy to do well because of the money he gets and how valuable he could be for our offense.
Post by Longtime and Frequent Poster on Oct 17, 2012 23:16:23 GMT -5
This whole who has the bigger d*ck in New York is obnoxious enough on a music forum, I can only imagine what it's like in the city.
Has anyone gone from so likeable early in their career to hateable later in their career more than A Rod? EVERYONE loved him when he was coming up with the Mainers, now everyone including many diehard Yanks fans have been sick of him for years.
This whole who has the bigger d*ck in New York is obnoxious enough on a music forum, I can only imagine what it's like in the city.
Has anyone gone from so likeable early in their career to hateable later in their career more than A Rod? EVERYONE loved him when he was coming up with the Mainers, now everyone including many diehard Yanks fans have been sick of him for years.
I'm not a city dweller so I never got into the NYY/NYM pissing contest. To me the Mets are just a woeful NL team that I have no strong opinions about. I was pretty happy to see them beat the Bosux in the WS.
I haven't ever liked ARoid and him hitting 12 straight ALCS home runs wouldn't change my opinion. He's a d-bag to the core.
This whole who has the bigger d*ck in New York is obnoxious enough on a music forum, I can only imagine what it's like in the city.
Has anyone gone from so likeable early in their career to hateable later in their career more than A Rod? EVERYONE loved him when he was coming up with the Mainers, now everyone including many diehard Yanks fans have been sick of him for years.
For the record, I only bash the Yankees when I deal with Yankee fans like funky. I generally support them (I have no reason not to) and actually enjoy talking to Yankee fans like Quacker and LLL.
Funky's needless jabs at the Mets are irritating, so I respond, and like a typical 80's baby Yankee fan it goes back to "her de der you like the Mets! 27 championships! *guzzles Jeters sperm* RAHHHHH" type of stuff.
If funky spent...I dunno, 5 minutes reading through this thread he would see I make fun of the Mets more than he ever could, I'm not delusional.
And to answer your comment, Yankee/Mets fans don't generally fight with each other outside of 6 pointless games every year. 80's baby Yankee fans are the only people who do this, because they're spoiled sports-wise and think that the fact their team had a great 4-year run it means they get cart blanche to be the end-all-be-all of baseball conversation.
Comments like the one below exhibit this warped feeling of being owed something:
I wouldn't pay $100 to see this team to be honest because they remind me of the Mets. I would only pay around $20 which is what I would expect to pay at a Mets game. Why? Because they are the Mets and you expect them to bow out sometime in the season.
And don't blame the Mets because your owners priced out real fans to turn Yankee Stadium into a 50k seat ATM machine. I've yet to meet a Yankee fan who likes Yankee Stadium more than Citifield.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Oct 18, 2012 19:47:33 GMT -5
Whelp, how you can make every motherfuker on Detroit's pitching rotation* look like Sandy Fuking Koufax is beyond me. Congrats to the Tigers.
See ya Swish, See ya A-Rod. I bet they try their damndest to get out of the back half of his third world country GDP contract. Or just take the hit. Maybe they will use the roid controversy to get out of it. He's 37 for crissakes. Why you would extend a 10 year contract to a 32 yr old is beyond me. Fukin fukity fuk.
Guess I'm down for the Tigers for the WS. My dad would crack my ass if I rooted for either the Cards or the Giants.
*A very decent pitching squad I will say, but still.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Oct 18, 2012 19:58:39 GMT -5
On an up note, my dad promised me his 56 Phil Rizzuto graded Topps card to make me feel better. He has a cubic shit-ton of really nice cards. If the economy ever collapses and we start running off of gold and baseball cards, I'm set.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Just to clarify, where, exactly, do Yankee fans expect to send a 37-year-old 3B whose skills are deteriorating at a faster clip than the limbo realm from Inception and is also owed $114 million over the next 5 seasons (yes, he is owed money until he will be 42 years old and rotting on the Yankees bench for TWENTY million dollars)?
Also, he has a no-trade clause.
Basically, Hank Steinbrenner is worse at running a team than James Dolan, which brother Hal recognized immediately after this deal and took away all Hank's responsibility.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Oct 19, 2012 9:55:25 GMT -5
Listen Donald Trump says he is fired, so he is. When Trump talks people listen.
I thought I saw some talk of the Marlins. Both sides are refuting that, but the original report came from Olbermann Yanks would have to pay out much of the remainder of his contract, or take on another player's shitty contract. I read talk of him waiving his clause if he can go to a major market team. Pops will shit if he goes to LA ( Boston West).
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Listen Donald Trump says he is fired, so he is. When Trump talks people listen.
I thought I saw some talk of the Marlins. Both sides are refuting that, but the original report came from Olbermann Yanks would have to pay out much of the remainder of his contract, or take on another player's shizzy contract. I read talk of him waiving his clause if he can go to a major market team. Pops will shiz if he goes to LA ( Boston West).
A-Rod isn't going to Miami. Fact is teams don't want the distraction he poses without the massive hitting #'s.
Every fan I've spoken to gives the same answer, FWIW. "Pay most of his contract and send him somewhere." But why would anyone want to trade for the worst contact possibly in the history of baseball. Jason Bay is up there, but at least his is over after next season and costs significantly less than A-Rod's. If he doesn't turn it around next season..
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Oct 19, 2012 10:14:59 GMT -5
What do you make of the suggestion hat they can wiggle out of his contract because of his steroid controversy? They should have done that long ago if they were going to
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
What do you make of the suggestion hat they can wiggle out of his contract because of his steroid controversy? They should have done that long ago if they were going to
No chance. Basically, anything Donald Trump says is incredibly stupid and he should be ignored completely.
Plus, even if this was something you could legally do, you'd have to prove that he was doing steroids when he signed his current deal, which he wasn't (at least there's no record showing he did).
It's just another talking point for Yankee fans to discuss in the offseason, but will carry no weight beyond that.