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As far as Daft Punk goes, I see them as a Late Night Which show. I see them as being pretty well known, but not "captivate 70K+ for two or three hours, build your festival around them" big.
As far as Bowie goes, I agree that he's an icon and a Roo headliner but not "biggest headliner Bonnaroo ever got." Certainly not bigger than Springsteen, The Dead or, as forgettable as their set was, The Police.
I would say that on a global scale and in terms of life time achievement vs. the now, Bowie dwarfs all of those acts combined. Only Springsteen can come close in terms of prolificness and he doesn't hold a candle to Bowie in terms of diversity and self reinvention. Just look at the list of who Bowie has worked with: Lou Reed, John Lennon, Mick Jagger (actually the stones as whole), Robert Fripp, Pete Townshend, Queen, NIN, Brian Eno, Peter Frampton, SRV (before he was famous), Bing Crosby, Iggy Pop, Tina Turner.... The list goes on.
While that may be true, Bowie stopped being relevant to many well before Tin Machine. The ability to reinvent yourself doesn't a Roo headliner make, nor does working with others Babyface would be headlining.
(Again, don't get me wrong, I like him and would enjoy his set, I'm just saying that in my opinion he's at best a potential fourth "biggest" headliner.)
I would say that on a global scale and in terms of life time achievement vs. the now, Bowie dwarfs all of those acts combined. Only Springsteen can come close in terms of prolificness and he doesn't hold a candle to Bowie in terms of diversity and self reinvention. Just look at the list of who Bowie has worked with: Lou Reed, John Lennon, Mick Jagger (actually the stones as whole), Robert Fripp, Pete Townshend, Queen, NIN, Brian Eno, Peter Frampton, SRV (before he was famous), Bing Crosby, Iggy Pop, Tina Turner.... The list goes on.
While that may be true, Bowie stopped being relevant to many well before Tin Machine. The ability to reinvent yourself doesn't a Roo headliner make, nor does working with others Babyface would be headlining.
(Again, don't get me wrong, I like him and would enjoy his set, I'm just saying that in my opinion he's at best a potential fourth "biggest" headliner.)
Bowie is also more relevant than all those acts combined, I'd say. Being The Police, Springsteen, and The Dead.
Bowie and Springsteen are probably on the same level. Bowie is a little more accomplished, but Springsteen is probably bigger. Dead are the only other 'Roo act to really compare, and that's if you consider them the Grateful Dead.
I know this will probably get me smited but Rage is a HORRIBLE fit as a headliner.
I would agree but I've thought this in the past. I thought Metallica would bring a certain crowd to Bonnaroo that didn't fit the atmosphere. However this turned out to be false. Nothing happened out of the ordinary and I didn't notice anyone out of line. So even though Rage have a history of bringing a certain crowd to their festival appearances (check Lolla last year or Coachella in 2007) Bonnaroo seems to be immune from this stuff. Far from an urban center like L.A. or Chicago, the people that would cause trouble don't go out of their way to come to Bonnaroo. It's rare that someone comes there for just one band, and since there aren't day passes it cuts it down even more. What's left are *usually* true music fans and a more relaxed crowd. So even though I don't think Rage will play next year, I don't think it would be as big of a problem as some would fear.
I think Daft Punk is probably a bit too foreign for many music fans to be a true "headliner" but I could definitely see them getting a What Stage late night. Although NIN's set kicked ass this year, the Which Stage is lacking in sheer logistics and capacity for a crazy light show. Daft Punk could surely come up with something to top the pyramid tour of 2007 and the What Stage is the perfect venue for it
While that may be true, Bowie stopped being relevant to many well before Tin Machine. The ability to reinvent yourself doesn't a Roo headliner make, nor does working with others Babyface would be headlining.
(Again, don't get me wrong, I like him and would enjoy his set, I'm just saying that in my opinion he's at best a potential fourth "biggest" headliner.)
Bowie is also more relevant than all those acts combined, I'd say. Being The Police, Springsteen, and The Dead.
The Police returned from a twenty year break up and launched a hugely successful sold out world tour before calling it quits again. (The highest earning musicians in 2008.)
Springsteen has sold 65 million albums in the US and 120 million worldwide, earned 19 Grammys, 2 Golden Globes and an Academy Award. The lowest a studio album has peaked in 25 years is #11 on the Billboard charts, with 7 #1's (including his last 2). He has been a consistent live draw for decades, selling out arenas and stadiums across the globe.
The most tenuous of the three would be The Dead, but they are the grandparents of the jamband scene (and, yes, I do consider their basis as the Grateful Dead as part of their discussion). They are relevant to an entire way of life for generations, though they may not be known for their recorded music -- especially in later years -- their endless touring and fanbase are probably the single-largest reason for Bonnaroo to even exist, either directly or through extrapolating their decendants.
I don't see a criteria where Bowie could be considered "bigger" than either of these three right now. He hasn't launched a tour since 2003 and hasn't had a commercially successful single in a dozen years, and that one was at least partially due to Trent Reznor's involvement.
I'm not saying that he is not a relevant artist. I said that to many he hasn't been in a long time. That's not the case to me but I am probably not representative of the 70k+ that typically goes to Roo. I think he'd be a terrific headliner, I just take exception with naming him "bigger" than any previous headliner.
i can def see the dead and bowie as headliner material, however billed together IMO it does not top this years fest. Daft punk would be the beasties spot i believe, as the 3rd or even 4th billed name. Rush though? I think they could headline my county's fair, and still not fill it up. Rage is uneccesary for Roo, but I would love to see that! I'm leaning towards Paul Mc, or the stones. The stones are Not my personal preference, but I can't say they are not big enough to draw people in.
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Post by ParanoidAntelope on Jun 25, 2009 14:27:41 GMT -5
while i agree in general that most people don't come for one band, i have to admit that Radiohead was THE reason i first came to bonnaroo. yeah, i liked the lineup, and my buddies and i had kicked around the idea of going for a couple years...but i probably wouldn't have gone if Radiohead was not there.
i also met quite a few people last year who came basically to see metallica. hell, we were camped next to some guys from canada who i think pretty much only saw metallica, and maybe PJ the entire weekend. they were either shitfaced or passed out the rest of the time. literally.
i think rage would be an awesome show for Roo, but i heard all about how ridiculous their show at lolla was (i went to wilco instead, still torn about that decision!), and i wouldnt want to see anything like that on the farm. I KNOW its a different crowd of people...i just think RATM has a way of riling up the crowd that isnt really comparable to any other headliner we've had, metallica included, basically because they are so angry and political.
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But they don't headline stadiums and amphitheaters are notoriously hit and miss, attendance-wise.
A couple of the most popular amphitheaters near me, Darien Lake and Saratoga, have the following acts headlining in the next two months:
Def Leppard Nickleback Rascal Flatts Kid Rock Fireflight Family Force 5 Creed Phish Brad Paisley Blink 182 Styx Staind Jackson Browne Coldplay Crosby, Stills & Nash Lil' Wayne OAR Allman Bros. Band Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.
As we can see, the ability to headline a 20,000 seat amphitheater does not a Roo headliner make.
Of those, Phish & Bruce are the only Roo headliners. It can be argued the Coldplay can (but maybe should not) be. Crosby, Stills and Nash might be able to be. Allmans may be, but they weren't last time they played Roo.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Jun 25, 2009 17:04:03 GMT -5
This is definitely an uninformed decision but I could see Bowie and Rush being the Byrne and Beasties from this year with the Stones or McCartney and the Dead as the other headliners.
Post by ilovefestys on Jun 25, 2009 18:23:00 GMT -5
Paul Mccartney is playing Piedmont Park in Atlanta on August 15th and they are billing it as the only area appearance by Paul so I wonder what they mean by area and if it somehow relates to Tennesse and Bonnaroo.
i think rage would be an awesome show for Roo, but i heard all about how ridiculous their show at lolla was (i went to wilco instead, still torn about that decision!), and i wouldnt want to see anything like that on the farm. I KNOW its a different crowd of people...i just think RATM has a way of riling up the crowd that isnt really comparable to any other headliner we've had, metallica included, basically because they are so angry and political.
i agree. ratm crowd 100x crazier than metallica crowd. ive been in multiple metallica pits, on the rail at old foxboro stadium. the rage concert i went to was a literal riot.
10 minutes before they came on, people started charging the 2 staircases where they were letting people on the floor. i was like 16 at the time. my buddy and i followed.
we got about 1/3 of the way down the stairs and a female sec guard jumped and front of me and was like stop. so were ready to turn around and go back, when a guy hurled his body at the sec guard like a strong safety, knocking her down a flight of cement stairs. keep a long story relatively short, it was the most insane thing ive ever witnessed. probably twice as many people were on the florr than should have been. it was body to body and moshing all the way back. up front there just bodies flying everywhere. we really didnt appreciate till we went back to our original seats towards the end of the 1st set, and had a bird's eys views.
far beyond anything ive ever seen, ive been to a couple ozzfests saw pantera, korn, metallica, megadeath..lots of em. nothing compares.
i would love to see them again, but i think it might be a bit much for alot of roo regulars
I'm too old for the pit thing anymore but back in the day -- their first Lollapalooza appearance, for example -- the only pit I was in that wore me out more was Bad Brains.
Been reading this thread and even though I realized Phish just isn't as relevant in my life as they were 8 years ago after they first quit, I don't think a Bonnaroo lineup can ever top this one. Maybe if Phish came back with Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Jay-Z, hell, I don't know. It would take f-ing STAR power to top the way Phish fit the Roo. Its the one all of us have been waiting for since 02. I see people on here mentioning all kinds of good bands but none as relevant to this scene as Phish.
And the people saying Allman Brothers? Really? Seriously? I've seen them so many times alone and at so many festivals and hell, they usually play and AFTERNOON slot at the Roo. Allman headliner equals least Roo attendance ever... BTW. I love the Allman Brothers. They just don't have that draw.
As much as Radiohead emphasizes only playing concerts with enough public transportation and stuff to limit the carbon footprint I can't see them ever again playing a fest where 70,000 people sit in a line on the side of the highway for hours in their cars. I know I am not the first to say this. I think Neil Young will take Saturday in 2010. Daft Punk could make sense on Friday, but there are other possibilities such as Rage and Jay-Z . I am not sure about the jammy spot on Sunday DMB, Phish, and The Dead all make sense to me. Although I think WSP would be hilarious because of the outcry that would follow.
Most important I think MMJ will return to claim their rightful position as Which stage latenight and Levon Helm will return for a tent late night to give Roo a true Midnight Ramble. Although if these two where on the same night I would literally die from the pain.
Post by pondo ROCKS on Jun 26, 2009 5:16:53 GMT -5
Going to put my two cents in...
One...The Dead, in some form, will play The Roo in 2010.
Two...A band of age/stature will PROBABLY play in 2010. My suggestions are The Who, Rush, R.E.M. or Green Day.
Three...One or two "veteran" old timers (i.e. Al Green or Merle Haggard this year, Willie Nelson/B.B. King last year) will play the Roo in 2010. A longshot would be Clapton. More realistic: Chuck Berry, Lou Reed, Lionel Ritchie, George Strait and (hopefully) Neil Young.
Four...a dj or two will play...Fatboy Slim, Moby, DJ Shadow,--as well as a electronica/industrial act as well--Chemical Bros, Daft Punk, The Prodigy, and Lords Of Acid seem logical here
fifth...some up-and-coming acts will play The Roo as well. All American Rejects, Kevin Rudolph, Cassandra Kubinski, and Carolina Liar seem like plausible choice.
Sixth...Bands that have massive followings but for some odd reason you know nothing about will play the Roo in 2010 (Chairlift and The Mars Volta for some this year). Queens of the Stone Age, The Eagles of Death Metal and My life with the Thrill Kill Cult come to mind as possibilities.
Finally...The Allman Bros. finally make their long awaited return after last years cancellation.
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fifth...some up-and-coming acts will play The Roo as well. All American Rejects, Kevin Rudolph, Cassandra Kubinski, and Carolina Liar seem like plausible choice.
Sixth...Bands that have massive followings but for some odd reason you know nothing about will play the Roo in 2010 (Chairlift and The Mars Volta for some this year). Queens of the Stone Age, The Eagles of Death Metal and My life with the Thrill Kill Cult come to mind as possibilities.
There's a lot wrong with these statements here. First there is no way in hell All American Rejects, Kevin Rudolph, Cassandra Kubinski, and Carolina Liar will ever play Bonnaroo. Their fans include mostly tween girls, and last I checked Bonnaroo isn't going for that demographic. And really, up and coming? Do you not have any idea what up and coming means? These guys, especially AAR, will make more billboard charts than we'd like to admit. Unfortunately this is the type of music that is commercially viable in the classic sense of big money for the record label. Bonnaroo doesn't really search for that demographic.
Next, Chairlift do not have a massive following. If anything they are up and coming, and even then kind of fading. I find it hard to believe they have a secret massive following. The Mars Volta however are above this. They have proven themselves to be a popular touring group and are a pretty established group in the music community. Some may not understand them, or like them, but if you didn't know Mars Volta had a big following, especially on this board, you weren't looking hard enough.
Now I'm being nitpicky here with those last two statements you had, the others you had I could see. These were just ridiculous to me.
There's a lot wrong with these statements here. First there is no way in hell All American Rejects, Kevin Rudolph, Cassandra Kubinski, and Carolina Liar will ever play Bonnaroo. Their fans include mostly tween girls, and last I checked Bonnaroo isn't going for that demographic. And really, up and coming? Do you not have any idea what up and coming means? These guys, especially AAR, will make more billboard charts than we'd like to admit. Unfortunately this is the type of music that is commercially viable in the classic sense of big money for the record label. Bonnaroo doesn't really search for that demographic.
Like they avoided Death Cab For Cutie and the Ting Tings and Maroon Five?
Like they avoided Death Cab For Cutie and the Ting Tings and Maroon Five?
True, but I feel like bands like All American Rejects don't even have an ounce of artistic credibility and Roo fanbase. Death Cab has a bunch of indie cred and doesn't have near the commercial viability that generic bands like AAR have. They still tour with up and coming indie bands like Ra Ra Riot (who you should know since they're from your hometown.) Ben Gibbard getting married to Zooey Deschanel (b*stard!) who is in a band with Roo approved M.Ward. So say what you will about Death Cab, but they make a lot more sense at Bonnaroo than AAR.
Ting Tings were an established festival band and seemed to cross over mainstream and alternative fans. A bunch of people on the board were excited to see them, same with Death Cab. I think if you brought bands like the ones pondo suggested, they would not have the same Roo backing.
Maroon 5 doesn't make much sense. But they didn't end up playing anyway if I remember correctly.