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It could get really bad, but then again it might not. Right now there's no reason to connect this to Bonnaroo, except to try to stir up fear.
And riburroo -- of course TN includes Bonnaroo in emergency contingency plans when it mentions large gatherings -- Roo is the 6th largest city in the state when we're there.
I had absolutely no intention of stirring up fear. I posed the question to cage opinion about the very small potential of a Bonnaroo cancellation given the flu situation we find ourselves at this point in time.
Given the reaction to the question, I began to wonder about the social dynamics of this board. Most participants are healthy, young, active and intelligent (with a divergent interest in good music). Being young and healthy has an effect on how one views a novel health situation. Among the responses to the flu question, humorous, cynical, dismissive hyperbole was frequent.
More than anything, I look at this as a test bed for how a subgroup responds to a possible public health dilemma. I used Bonnaroo because that is what this board is about. And, Bonnaroo is a special case given very specific mention, and subject to more restrictions as outlined in the state plan for dealing with pandemic flu. I didn't read the entire plan, but I believe Bonnaroo is the only business entity given specific mention.
Placing Bonnaroo in a more restrictive class is both a public health and political decision. A decision to cancel a large festival is not something that can be left to the producers. The losses would be monumental. So, the decision to cancel becomes political and governmental, moved up the chain from county government, to the state Dept. of Health Commissioner, all the way up to the Governor.
Ultimately, if we begin to see cancellations of events and public gatherings, Bonnaroo will be in the sights. This is not opinion, it's in the plan. Chances are, overwhelmingly, we will never reach that level.
Breaking news 4 kids went on vaccation and got sick. Sorry I am still in scoff mode.
I realize that after you gave them a check up your official medical opinion is that they had the sniffles and swineflu is nonexistent. But like I said these kids were checked out by "real" doctors and then they closed the school based on the doctors advice.
I am sure their is some sort of conspiracy with a small school in SC closing for a couple days that I am missing.
Glad we could all be part of your social experiment you should try it on World of Warcraft next time.
"Among the responses to the flu question, humorous, cynical, dismissive hyperbole was frequent."
You forgot also to add appropriate, when someone is being an alarmist dismissive hyperbole is my typical response regardless of the subject. You also say you had no intention of stirring up fear. Then why would you go to message board based on an event and then tell people it will be canceled because of the flu? Let me tell you something if they get to the point where Bonnaroo is canceled enough other nuts will also be canceled to where that will not be important at all in the grand scheme of things. Here is a short list of things that will be shut down before the government steps in and cancels 'roo.
1. Subways, airlines, and Greyhound essentially all mass transit 2. All collegiate and professional level sporting events 3. All college and high school campuses
So when any of that starts going down it is the time to worry about swine flu canceling 'roo not before. Of course if it is a swine flu vectored by chiggers we may all be in trouble......
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Breaking news 4 kids went on vaccation and got sick. Sorry I am still in scoff mode.
I realize that after you gave them a check up your official medical opinion is that they had the sniffles and swineflu is nonexistent. But like I said these kids were checked out by "real" doctors and then they closed the school based on the doctors advice.
I am sure their is some sort of conspiracy with a small school in SC closing for a couple days that I am missing.
I didn't say it wasn't swine flu I just said a couple of kids with a mild flu is not a big deal. The reason the schools were closed is a overabundance of caution, and fear of litigation. I highly doubt that there is a real medical reason to close a school because 4 kids have the flu.
The swine-flu related cases that have been seen in the United States have been “relatively mild” compared to the Mexican cases, says Berry.
Five states have diagnosed cases of the virulent swine-flu strain that is straining Mexican health care. Reports say the deaths due to the outbreak in Mexico are most likely stemming from those that are ill delaying medical treatment, not the strength of the strain.
Berry isn’t overly concerned, but he advises parents of Newberry Academy students to find out as much as they can about the flu and be aware of symptoms like lethargy, diarrhea and fever.
“It’s part of our culture. We deal with influenza on a yearly basis. It results in thousands of deaths in the U.S. every year. Between 35,000 to 40,000 people die of influenza-related illness. But what we’re seeing here is not something for which people should be alarmed,” says Berry.
Dawkins said the senior class trip to Cancun was financed and handled by the students and their parents, though the school assisted in trip planning.
Yea I read that as well. Not sure if it was written before the mid-day news story but on there they said that the doctors confirmed that it was SIV or whatever. Now it is very possible that the mi-day news couldve mis-spoke.
Either way my whole point from the get go is that we have virtually nothing to worry about BUT when people are dying its not appropriate to make it seem like its bs. Just because thousands die from the flu makes it no less of a horrible situation for those affected. If one of your family members died of swine flu you wouldnt want to hear about how its nothing and thousands of people die every year from flu.
If I worry about something that happens all the time, I will never stop worrying. A lot more people are currently dying from Kidney disease right now because people are selfish bastards and are not organ donors. Also as you say with have virtually nothing to worry about, to be honest it is a lot more likely Bonnaroo would have a bad fire or a tornado that cancels it instead of being shut down because of flu season.
If I worry about something that happens all the time, I will never stop worrying. A lot more people are currently dying from Kidney disease right now because people are selfish I HAVE NO DADDY and are not organ donors. Also as you say with have virtually nothing to worry about, to be honest it is a lot more likely Bonnaroo would have a bad fire or a tornado that cancels it instead of being shut down because of flu season.
Not being an organ donor doesn't make one selfish. I, for one, plan on keeping my organs so that when I return as an undead zombie, I can be at full strength to hunt the living and feast on their brains.
Just kidding, I am an organ donor. Why someone wouldn't be is completely beyond me.
6/18: Phish in Hartford 6/25: Phish in Camden 7/2-7/4: Nateva 7/17: God Street Wine at Irving Plaza 7/23-7/25: String Cheese at Red Rocks!! 8/17-8/18: Phish at Jones Beach 9/3: Rush at PNC
This Bonnaroo lineup is in dire need of some Rush.
If I worry about something that happens all the time, I will never stop worrying. A lot more people are currently dying from Kidney disease right now because people are selfish I HAVE NO DADDY and are not organ donors. Also as you say with have virtually nothing to worry about, to be honest it is a lot more likely Bonnaroo would have a bad fire or a tornado that cancels it instead of being shut down because of flu season.
Exactly.
People are fascinated with some new super disease we know little about, and assume that it's going to effect our life in an adverse fashion. While in reality there are ten times as many diseases that have been around forever that actually kill Americans every year, but there is no thread started about any of them canceling Bonnaroo. In that vein, there have also not been threads about Will a Tornado Cancel Bonnaroo, or will Kill Killer Bees cancel Bonnaroo etc. because worrying about these things is ridiculous
I'm usually not one for conspiracy theories, but as I've said earlier, I think the media is advancing this story to the brink of ad nauseum because they're looking for ratings. The only things people have been talking about on the news the past few months is the economy, so when a new story hits, and it's a new disease with a funny name, everyone pounces on it.
And Get Fresh, where is the line where we can start making light of a situation? Has anyone in this thread said anything to make light of the actual people who have died, or racial slurs, no. The only thing I've done is pointed out that the hysteria created by this thing is ridiculous and that we really shouldn't be worrying about this, and instead worry about who's getting late nights. Or if the Beastie Boys really are a headliner, or instead a clever ruse.
If I worry about something that happens all the time, I will never stop worrying. A lot more people are currently dying from Kidney disease right now because people are selfish I HAVE NO DADDY and are not organ donors. Also as you say with have virtually nothing to worry about, to be honest it is a lot more likely Bonnaroo would have a bad fire or a tornado that cancels it instead of being shut down because of flu season.
Exactly you have virtually nothing to worry about when it comes to this flu as of now. I agree, couldnt agree more, have agreed in every post. I just dont think its right to make peoples deaths seem meaningless regardless of how many similar deaths occur each year. A person still died either way.
Glad we could all be part of your social experiment you should try it on World of Warcraft next time.
"Among the responses to the flu question, humorous, cynical, dismissive hyperbole was frequent."
You forgot also to add appropriate, when someone is being an alarmist dismissive hyperbole is my typical response regardless of the subject. You also say you had no intention of stirring up fear. Then why would you go to message board based on an event and then tell people it will be canceled because of the flu?
1. Subways, airlines, and Greyhound essentially all mass transit 2. All collegiate and professional level sporting events 3. All college and high school campuses
So when any of that starts going down it is the time to worry about swine flu canceling 'roo not before. Of course if it is a swine flu vectored by chiggers we may all be in trouble......
Yes, if there's the slightest chance of a cancellation, we will see the signs well before any announcement. As of now, I don't see much of a chance at all for a cancellation. I'm not gonna say there is zero chance of cancellation, but chances are slim to say the least.
Bonnaroo is mentioned in the official state plans for dealing with pandemic flu. I don't know, but I think that's kinda a badge of honor. It's nice to think state officials gave us some thought when drawing up plans for the apocalypse.
Again, I'm not trying to stir up fear. All this flu crap is already shaping up to be a novel event. But, let's step it down a notch. What if there is the equivalent of a bad seasonal flu season? No festival cancellations, but some band cancellations due to sickness? What would happen if one of the headliners canceled? Falls under "impact" as stated in the original post. Are bands contractually obligated to play in areas where flu is active? If a band member is ill and can't perform, do noted members of other bands get asked to sit in? Does the festival schedule get shifted radically? None of these questions has anything to do with stirring fear.
Most participants are healthy, young, active and intelligent (with a divergent interest in good music). Being young and healthy has an effect on how one views a novel health situation. Among the responses to the flu question, humorous, cynical, dismissive hyperbole was frequent.
Sorry, but you really don't know our ages or levels of familiarity with novel health situations.
Ultimately, if we begin to see cancellations of events and public gatherings, Bonnaroo will be in the sights. This is not opinion, it's in the plan.
I for one am shocked -- shocked, I tell you -- that public safety officials would consider the largest gathering of people each year in TN when addressing contingency plans for large gatherings.
Most participants are healthy, young, active and intelligent (with a divergent interest in good music). Being young and healthy has an effect on how one views a novel health situation. Among the responses to the flu question, humorous, cynical, dismissive hyperbole was frequent.
Sorry, but you really don't know our ages or levels of familiarity with novel health situations.
This - because there are a bunch of us - just here on Inforoo that are not necessarily "young" at least in years - we are not 20-something college students.
Sorry, but you really don't know our ages or levels of familiarity with novel health situations.
This - because there are a bunch of us - just here on Inforoo that are not necessarily "young" at least in years - we are not 20-something college students.
If we are is that ok, or will I be shunned due to my high risk for catching the disease.
Glad we could all be part of your social experiment you should try it on World of Warcraft next time.
"Among the responses to the flu question, humorous, cynical, dismissive hyperbole was frequent."
You forgot also to add appropriate, when someone is being an alarmist dismissive hyperbole is my typical response regardless of the subject. You also say you had no intention of stirring up fear. Then why would you go to message board based on an event and then tell people it will be canceled because of the flu?
1. Subways, airlines, and Greyhound essentially all mass transit 2. All collegiate and professional level sporting events 3. All college and high school campuses
So when any of that starts going down it is the time to worry about swine flu canceling 'roo not before. Of course if it is a swine flu vectored by chiggers we may all be in trouble......
Yes, if there's the slightest chance of a cancellation, we will see the signs well before any announcement. As of now, I don't see much of a chance at all for a cancellation. I'm not gonna say there is zero chance of cancellation, but chances are slim to say the least.
Bonnaroo is mentioned in the official state plans for dealing with pandemic flu. I don't know, but I think that's kinda a badge of honor. It's nice to think state officials gave us some thought when drawing up plans for the apocalypse.
Again, I'm not trying to stir up fear. All this flu crap is already shaping up to be a novel event. But, let's step it down a notch. What if there is the equivalent of a bad seasonal flu season? No festival cancellations, but some band cancellations due to sickness? What would happen if one of the headliners canceled? Falls under "impact" as stated in the original post. Are bands contractually obligated to play in areas where flu is active? If a band member is ill and can't perform, do noted members of other bands get asked to sit in? Does the festival schedule get shifted radically? None of these questions has anything to do with stirring fear.
So have you ever heard of a band canceling a show because it was flu season? Even if it is the odds of contagion go way down in the summer, in fact there is always flu out there it is typically just much worse in winter when people stay indoors all the time. Once again worrying about Trey catching the swine flu is alarmist at best, he could also come down with the gout and have to cancel but I do not worry about that either.
This - because there are a bunch of us - just here on Inforoo that are not necessarily "young" at least in years - we are not 20-something college students.
If we are is that ok, or will I be shunned due to my high risk for catching the disease.
Oh - I intend on shunning all the young people while I'm there - I don't want to catch any cooties you might have ;D
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Most participants are healthy, young, active and intelligent (with a divergent interest in good music). Being young and healthy has an effect on how one views a novel health situation. Among the responses to the flu question, humorous, cynical, dismissive hyperbole was frequent.
Sorry, but you really don't know our ages or levels of familiarity with novel health situations.
C'mon, now you're just being obstinate. 80,000+ camped out in fields for 4 days to see a rock&roll festival. I'm not talking a refugee camp. These are largely young, healthy adults with disposable income, from middle to upper-middle class. Next time you're there look around. Good health is a tremendous psychological asset. Making light of health complications comes easily, because you assume (probably correctly) you will recover.
Ultimately, if we begin to see cancellations of events and public gatherings, Bonnaroo will be in the sights. This is not opinion, it's in the plan.
I for one am shocked -- shocked, I tell you -- that public safety officials would consider the largest gathering of people each year in TN when addressing contingency plans for large gatherings.
Few probably realize there is a state plan for dealing with pandemic flu. (Although, they may have guessed a plan exists if asked.) Even fewer would have given any thought, until now, that Bonnaroo is mentioned in the plan. The shock abates and realization of the obvious accompanies any thought given to the situation.
C'mon, now you're just being obstinate. 80,000+ camped out in fields for 4 days to see a rock&roll festival. I'm not talking a refugee camp. These are largely young, healthy adults with disposable income, from middle to upper-middle class. Next time you're there look around.
Yes, but you were talking about people who have responded on this thread, not about the population of Bonnaroo.
(I began to wonder about the social dynamics of this board. Most participants are healthy, young...)
Good health is a tremendous psychological asset. Making light of health complications comes easily, because you assume (probably correctly) you will recover.
And yet again you ascribe assumptions to me...
Few probably realize there is a state plan for dealing with pandemic flu. (Although, they may have guessed a plan exists if asked.) Even fewer would have given any thought, until now, that Bonnaroo is mentioned in the plan. The shock abates and realization of the obvious accompanies any thought given to the situation.
In that case, thanks for repeatedly stating the obvious, I guess.
Again, I'm not trying to stir up fear. All this flu crap is already shaping up to be a novel event. But, let's step it down a notch. What if there is the equivalent of a bad seasonal flu season? No festival cancellations, but some band cancellations due to sickness? What would happen if one of the headliners canceled? Falls under "impact" as stated in the original post. Are bands contractually obligated to play in areas where flu is active? If a band member is ill and can't perform, do noted members of other bands get asked to sit in? Does the festival schedule get shifted radically? None of these questions has anything to do with stirring fear.
So have you ever heard of a band canceling a show because it was flu season? Even if it is the odds of contagion go way down in the summer, in fact there is always flu out there it is typically just much worse in winter when people stay indoors all the time. Once again worrying about Trey catching the swine flu is alarmist at best, he could also come down with the gout and have to cancel but I do not worry about that either.
Bands cancel because of illness. Robyn Hitchcock canceled a performance recently due to illness. A bad summer flu season could be a positive in some people's opinion. If a couple bands are forced to cancel, maybe some of the remaining bands extend their sets to fill the space; or maybe a better band gets signed. If a band member gets replaced by a noted member from another band, you get to experience a rare event. The schedule can get shifted, relinquishing conflicts. If someone is under the weather, maybe his performance gets more bluesy.
Try not to prejudiciously label my responses as alarmist or worrisome. There are oppertunities in this situation. If I didn't know better, I'd say there is some repressed downist tendencies in the group.
"There are oppertunities in this situation. If I didn't know better, I'd say there is some repressed downist tendencies in the group."
This from a guy who thinks chiggers and swine flu are gonna destroy Bonnaroo? Also I am not being prejudiced when I call you an an alarmist. Anyone who starts a thread to worry about something that has less than .01% chance of happening, and then says things like
"I just hope there is a roo to go to"
Is being an alarmist at best, and a fear monger at worst. Sorry man that is just the way I see it, the media is doing no better right now in your defense still to draw the correlations you are trying to draw is crazy talk at this stage of the game.
Post by mangopositive on Apr 27, 2009 14:45:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about Bonnaroo. This strain is strange in that flu season is already over, but rest assured that it will die out before Bonnaroo. It's the fall you will need to worry about, when this strain has mutated and comes back. If this DOES cause Bonnaroo to be canceled, it will be the last thing on our minds at the time.
It is unfortunate that we had the SARS, monkey pox, and bird flu scares. The media's focus on them has served as the little boy crying wolf, and now none of us will take a new scare seriously. The bottom line is that influenza has repeatedly throughout history carved away a large percentage of the earth's population and our medical advances are not so great that it won't happen again. It's a matter of time, we're overdue, and there's really nothing we can do about it if it happens.
As an important note: Influenza pandemics kill healthy individuals in our age range. It causes our otherwise healthy immune systems to overreact and flood our lungs with fluid. People with weaker immune systems will actually fare better. Alcohol consumption and lack of sleep are both proven to weaken your immune system. If you get infected, go on a bender. Not kidding.
just checked this thread. i'm really not concerned about roo getting cancelled, don't think it'll happen. they had "sarstock" in toronto to raise money at the height of the epidemic, and there were thousands of people at that. but, they're already warning europeans to stay away from visiting the us, and i'm coming from canada, what happens when theres a travel advisory for cross border visits? or, god forbid they ban travel? is this possible?
and, why does this sound like a bad sci fi movie? god damned pigs, keep your diseases to yourself next time.