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I dont think they would shut down Roo simply based on fear, the only way Roo would be shut down is if this flu started spreading at a much higher rate then it is right now and people actually started to die in the US. As other people have said countless times during this thread when they start shutting down MLB/NBA games i'll be worried but until that point im not worried about this in the slightest.
Post by ilovefestys on May 2, 2009 22:06:11 GMT -5
they shut down the city of mexico for 5 days of all non essential public works only a few weeks into this whole miss piggy fiasco and there number of deaths have been inflated and deflated at the same time only a few hundred deaths and thats a city of 20 million, The govt will do whatever it wants because we the people won't do anything to stop them from doing whatever it wants. The Who organization is going to say its a level 6 pandemic which is just more fear mongering, they are shutting schools around the country for people who are even suspected of having the flu without knowing if its a normal flu or miss piggy version. They will re-route a plane if people sneeze on the airplane or show any symptoms and land the plane in a different location other than its destination. Its the over-reaction and drastic measures that are being taken which has me worried because these liars will use it to there advantage to use force and control. I agree if MLB/NBA games start getting cancelled then its major worry time, but roo is different its a literal city being created of 80,000 people in close living conditions with close interaction for over 96 hours. The last 2 years when i got home from roo I would have the flu the next week but I think thats because I did pre-fest volunteering and my body didn't adjust to a week living in those conditions and the amount of exhaustion I get after being on my feet 16 hours a day partying with multiple intoxications getting 4-5 hours of sleep to repeat those things for 3 more days. They can and will use some BS excuse of it being for our safety when every Roo goer would gladly risk it without hesitation to enjoy the weekend. Even if roo goers did get miss piggy from the fest I'm betting a majority would do it all over again knowing that would be the outcome because we all love roo so much, however the people in control with the power will use it without reason or logical thinking.
For the past week the CDC & WHO have been taking extreme measures because they didnt know much about this virus and didnt know how bad this virus was going to be, to me atleast it was totally understandable why the shut down schools and such..its ok to be cautious about a new virus that we know very little about. I dont think anyone had any sort of agenda other then to take precaution incase the virus was worse then the normal flu, which I think was warranted given all the deaths in Mexico. Now that I think scientists know more about this virus and the death toll in mexico is no longer growing I expect the panic to die down a little bit. Already for the past 2 days Swine Flu wasnt even the number #1 story on the nightly news. Right now this flu does not appear to be any worse then seasonal flu, I think a month from now we will see that this flu was not really a big deal at all but it was understandable that our govt. took alot of precaution at first. I think if Roo were to be shut down it would be for a legitimate reason not because of some govt. agenda but thats just me. Im probably being naive but hey it helps me sleep at night.. (:
I'm not sure what this thread is about. It sounds a lot like the H1N1 virus, but I haven't read anything about a Miss Piggy flu anywhere else. ???
You are correct. Essentially there is an on going redundate debate between people bringing up the "swine flue" or H1N1 virus as a potential threat to Bonnaroo and public health, to which there has a redundant reply that it's stupid to worry about the swine flue because there are bigger and badder things to worry about in life and the only reason this has gained traction was for policitical and news ratings purposes. To which there is a redundant reply that its good to have agencies working preventatively to curb the affects as we do not yet know the full scope of the viruses impact, and it's better to be safe then sorry. Then people started getting peeved and bickering that the thread was still going after essentially all original points and arguments had run out.
It's been interesting for the most part, any thing to get the roo fix in and kill time...
I dont think they would shut down Roo simply based on fear, the only way Roo would be shut down is if this flu started spreading at a much higher rate then it is right now and people actually started to die in the US. As other people have said countless times during this thread when they start shutting down MLB/NBA games i'll be worried but until that point im not worried about this in the slightest.
Why is Bonnaroo epidemiologically more interesting than a sold-out sports event?
Bonnaroo is scheduled over 4 days, rather than 4 hours as for a game, resulting in a much longer time period for chance of exposure.
Infection path: At a sports event you are likely to take a path straight from your car, to the gate, to your seat, with little deviations except for bathrooms and refreshment stands. At Bonnaroo, you arrive at your campsite, take a relatively undeviating path into Centeroo, and enter a mixing bowl where you come into contact with potentially half of Bonnaroo over a 4 day period.
Use of portajohns over 4 days compared to 1 or 2 stops in a restroom in a sports arena: Increased chance of exposure?
Security searches almost every pack entering Centeroo, especially at the arch. I've seen security stick their hands into knapsacks countless times. You are often patted down (males anyway). The pat goes over your pants pockets, where your hands spend most of their time. The above happens over, and over, and over again as people enter. Gloves do not offer protection, unless security changes to new gloves between every search.
Speaking realistically, there is a quantum leap for chances of exposure at Bonnaroo compared to a sports event.
I dont think they would shut down Roo simply based on fear, the only way Roo would be shut down is if this flu started spreading at a much higher rate then it is right now and people actually started to die in the US. As other people have said countless times during this thread when they start shutting down MLB/NBA games i'll be worried but until that point im not worried about this in the slightest.
Why is Bonnaroo epidemiologically more interesting than a sold-out sports event?
Bonnaroo is scheduled over 4 days, rather than 4 hours as for a game, resulting in a much longer time period for chance of exposure.
Infection path: At a sports event you are likely to take a path straight from your car, to the gate, to your seat, with little deviations except for bathrooms and refreshment stands. At Bonnaroo, you arrive at your campsite, take a relatively undeviating path into Centeroo, and enter a mixing bowl where you come into contact with potentially half of Bonnaroo over a 4 day period.
Use of portajohns over 4 days compared to 1 or 2 stops in a restroom in a sports arena: Increased chance of exposure?
Security searches almost every pack entering Centeroo, especially at the arch. I've seen security stick their hands into knapsacks countless times. You are often patted down (males anyway). The pat goes over your pants pockets, where your hands spend most of their time. The above happens over, and over, and over again as people enter. Gloves do not offer protection, unless security changes to new gloves between every search.
Speaking realistically, there is a quantum leap for chances of exposure at Bonnaroo compared to a sports event.
I completely agree we are creating a city of 80,000+ people who live and interact closely for 96 hours straight. Our hygene goes down significantly during this time, we don't really shower and people may or may not clean themselves individually as simply washing there hands We are packed into close places under tents and at stages for 12-16 hours a day. The sanitaryness of our normal daily lifestyle changes. We all agree to do this and don't care about the consequences because we love our roo, but the people in control and have the power to cancel this event will use some BS reason if they decide to cancel it as simply we are trying to keep you safe when no roo goer will give a damn because we would rather be free and enjoying our beloved roo then from being safe from some flu virus that has only killed less than 30 people. Yeah the original numbers of the flu deaths were inflated because they just assumed a certain number of people died from this virus when they died from other complications and not flu related, so they finally gave us the real numbers and its less than 30 in mexico city a city of 20 million but for there safety they shut down all non essential services for 5 business days and cancelled all major events like soccer games.
The sanitaryness of our normal daily lifestyle changes.
Actually this was the sentence that bothered me. Also I dont know about most of you people but I always shower, and keep myself as sanitary as possible at Bonnaroo, it is really not that hard.
I dont think they would shut down Roo simply based on fear, the only way Roo would be shut down is if this flu started spreading at a much higher rate then it is right now and people actually started to die in the US. As other people have said countless times during this thread when they start shutting down MLB/NBA games i'll be worried but until that point im not worried about this in the slightest.
Why is Bonnaroo epidemiologically more interesting than a sold-out sports event?
Bonnaroo is scheduled over 4 days, rather than 4 hours as for a game, resulting in a much longer time period for chance of exposure.
Infection path: At a sports event you are likely to take a path straight from your car, to the gate, to your seat, with little deviations except for bathrooms and refreshment stands. At Bonnaroo, you arrive at your campsite, take a relatively undeviating path into Centeroo, and enter a mixing bowl where you come into contact with potentially half of Bonnaroo over a 4 day period.
Use of portajohns over 4 days compared to 1 or 2 stops in a restroom in a sports arena: Increased chance of exposure?
Security searches almost every pack entering Centeroo, especially at the arch. I've seen security stick their hands into knapsacks countless times. You are often patted down (males anyway). The pat goes over your pants pockets, where your hands spend most of their time. The above happens over, and over, and over again as people enter. Gloves do not offer protection, unless security changes to new gloves between every search.
Speaking realistically, there is a quantum leap for chances of exposure at Bonnaroo compared to a sports event.
I know this thread has run its course and we should let this thread die but just wanted to point out that I wasnt asking why Roo was more epidemically more interesting then a sporting event. I know that it is but that wasnt what I was trying to say. I was just saying that they wouldnt shut down Roo unless they were cancelling concerts and sporting events nationwide. They are not going to make speacil exception for Roo just because the chances are possibly higher then at a normal sporting event or concert. You are in close proximity to several people at Sporting events and Concerts as well and would have a good chance to catch the flu there as well, not as much as Roo but the chance would be there. So if the govt doesnt think there is enough danger to close down those events they are not going to shut down Roo.
Not that any of this matters anyways as this Flu is not even a big deal anymore. I suspect the media will still try to milk the story for all its worth over the next week but I think we officailly have nothing to worry about.
The CDC commented on a case today, saying it was very instructive. A school in NY city was the scene of a flu cluster showing high transmissability. Within a few days, 1/3 (660 individuals) of the student body was symptomatic of flu (102° fever and serious cough), with samples confirming H1N1.
People have been questioning the rationale for school closings. The experience in NY figures into the recommendation for school closings when flu is present.
Why is Bonnaroo epidemiologically more interesting than a sold-out sports event?
Bonnaroo is scheduled over 4 days, rather than 4 hours as for a game, resulting in a much longer time period for chance of exposure.
Infection path: At a sports event you are likely to take a path straight from your car, to the gate, to your seat, with little deviations except for bathrooms and refreshment stands. At Bonnaroo, you arrive at your campsite, take a relatively undeviating path into Centeroo, and enter a mixing bowl where you come into contact with potentially half of Bonnaroo over a 4 day period.
Use of portajohns over 4 days compared to 1 or 2 stops in a restroom in a sports arena: Increased chance of exposure?
Security searches almost every pack entering Centeroo, especially at the arch. I've seen security stick their hands into knapsacks countless times. You are often patted down (males anyway). The pat goes over your pants pockets, where your hands spend most of their time. The above happens over, and over, and over again as people enter. Gloves do not offer protection, unless security changes to new gloves between every search.
Speaking realistically, there is a quantum leap for chances of exposure at Bonnaroo compared to a sports event.
I was just saying that they wouldnt shut down Roo unless they were cancelling concerts and sporting events nationwide. They are not going to make speacil exception for Roo just because the chances are possibly higher then at a normal sporting event or concert. You are in close proximity to several people at Sporting events and Concerts as well and would have a good chance to catch the flu there as well, not as much as Roo but the chance would be there. So if the govt doesnt think there is enough danger to close down those events they are not going to shut down Roo.
Not that any of this matters anyways as this Flu is not even a big deal anymore. I suspect the media will still try to milk the story for all its worth over the next week but I think we officailly have nothing to worry about.
The CDC is recommending the suspension of sporting events and gatherings at schools where flu has been found. Right now, the CDC recommends the sick stay home. We know that Roogoers aren't gonna do that. Public health recommendations to stay home will be ignored, you can bet on it.
The World Health Organization is close to raising this to a phase 6 pandemic flu level. At this phase government pandemic flu plans become active. If Coffee County follows the official state plans, then we do have something to worry about, as much as I hate to say it.
The CDC is recommending the suspension of sporting events and gatherings at schools where flu has been found. Right now, the CDC recommends the sick stay home. We know that Roogoers aren't gonna do that. Public health recommendations to stay home will be ignored, you can bet on it.
The World Health Organization is close to raising this to a phase 6 pandemic flu level. At this phase government pandemic flu plans become active. If Coffee County follows the official state plans, then we do have something to worry about, as much as I hate to say it.
Once the WHO makes it a level 6 pandemic and national, state, and local govts start implementing there contingency plans we have a credible threat to our festival being cancelled.
Level 6 requires 2% of America be infected, the global caseload is under 800, the number of deaths in Mexico is 19, and it is now on the decline there. I am sorry to keep on calling you guys alarmists but....
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Post by ilovefestys on May 3, 2009 16:19:23 GMT -5
Heres a thought if after jazzfest there is a dramatic increase in cases in Lousiana and the common theme from the people who have it is they all attended jazzfest at some point, it could be bad for roo.
Level 6 requires 2% of America be infected, the global caseload is under 800, the number of deaths in Mexico is 19, and it is now on the decline there. I am sorry to keep on calling you guys alarmists but....
By definition, Phase 6 means a global pandemic is underway. According to the Tennessee Pandemic Flu Plan, "Very large discretionary public gatherings of >10,000 persons may be subject to cancellation during a pandemic, even in the absence of disease activity in the county where the event is held (e.g., Bonnaroo)."
"May be subject to cancellation" looks a little subjective to me, but it's clear that cancellation will become a very serious matter of discussion between officials at Phase 6. That's just how it's written.
Actually, according to the plan, a decision to close made by the Regional Health Officer will be given to the Coffee County Mayor, who will relay it to the Mayor of Manchester and others, who will then release news of closure to the media for communication to the public.
Phone numbers for the mayors' offices are in the plans. But, I suspect if you call them, they will say no decision has been made.
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Post by ilovefestys on May 3, 2009 18:26:12 GMT -5
thats some good research riburroo, I'm glad to see you take the possibility of roo being cancelled serious because its written in the state and local government plans for the possibility of cancellation.
Your fucking kidding you are considering calling the the mayor of Manchester and Tennessee authorities because of you fucking obsessive mental health issues. For gods sake take your f ucking medications and calm down.
"This message has been moved to The Other Tent by danbird."
First, thanks to the mod for deciding to move the thread instead of locking it entirely. As H1N1 flu looks to have less and less chance of impacting Bonnaroo, perhaps this is the better forum for housing it. However, if an official announcement regarding flu is made by Bonnaroo organizers or state officers, I think a move back into the What Stage forum is appropriate.
As of now, only one case of H1N1 has been confirmed in Tennessee by the CDC, with a few more cases expected to be confirmed by lab. CDC is also recommending that individual cases no longer require lab confirmation under normal circumstances. They expect continued spread of disease into all 50 states. The CDC also said the effects of H1N1 are not expected to be worse than seasonal-flu. There is worry that H1N1 may become a more serious threat when the normal flu season resumes in the fall.
In all probability, Bonnaroo will be largely unaffected by this flu outbreak. We may see advise for sick people to stay home, or just a general recommendation that patrons follow CDC guidelines.
When originally posting the question of impact, "no impact on Bonnaroo" is squarely in the realm of possible answers. Also included under impact would be the bureaucratic response as mandated in the state plans for pandemic flu. In this case as it stands now, the bureaucratic response may consist only of state officials talking on the phone to let Bonnaroo continue, if that.
If there are a couple hundred courses of Tamiflu collectively on hand in the medical tents, that's impact too. This is really all I was asking.
Oh wow, I just heard on NPR news Tennessee is maintaining a strict closure policy for schools with suspected H1N1 flu cases. This is in contrast to some other school systems that are recommending only sick students stay home. The state is exercising strict adherence to their flu plans.