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We need single payer universal health care, plain and simple. People before profit, care before the paycheck.
Yeah, and I need a suitcase full of $100 bills, front-row Jets season tickets for life, and Mila Kunis naked waiting for me at home. The only difference here is I actually have a remote chance of getting those things.
This is actually good for insurance companies. More business
1. The law states insurance companies had to spend (about) 85% of revenue on actual health care coverage. Some CEO needs to decide to jack up rates to still take home 12 million a year plus stock options. We will suffer.
2. The fact you can't deny someone with pre_existing conditions now plus can't drop people for being too costly to take care of... that's increased expenses insurance companies don't want.
They want the extra customers for the profit margin, they don't want the sickly ones which cost them. Privatize profit, socialize loss... the corporate agenda and Republican strategy.
We need single payer universal health care, plain and simple. People before profit, care before the paycheck.
No argument from me on this. I was just saying this isn't bad for insurance companies or anything like this. To me this law is a huge failure.
But around the time Obama was running he made this weird shift to conservative talk Radio and followed Glenn Beck for all he did and soon enough Fox News was on the TV in the house all day long.
Hate to break it to you, ITM, but your dad is a racist.
No joke. I know TONS of people who would never have considered themselves "conservative," (or people who leaned conservative but weren't hardcore about it) who recoiled in revulsion at the idea of a COLORED GUY IN TEH WHITE HOUSE?? MIGHT AS WELL CALL IT THE BLACK HOUSE NOW!!!!1 These are seemingly rational people who worry that he's a socialist, that he's a spy from Kenya (why the hell would Kenya need spies?), etc.
Oh he's definitely got some racism in him and I'm sure that's what jumpstarted all of his changes. It's been really well hidden and it's not like he'd beat up a minority just for looking at him funny. Also, he's completely cordial and friends with people of different races. He goes out of his way to chat and do favors for neighbors of other races.
BUT
The racism does still come out. Sometimes casual racism (jokes that seem harmless to some but wouldn't be told in front of someone who is that race) and sometimes stupid racist quotes (just things that I don't understand/agree with). Usually when he's intoxicated. I picked him up from a local bar one night to drive him home and he started telling me to be careful because I go to concerts in NYC and Brooklyn a lot.....he had been watching a lot of Trayvon Martin coverage and was worried that "they" would attack me just because i'm white and that I really need to be careful. I was kind of dumbfounded.
It's that kind of racism where I think he feels "there are good ones and there are bad ones" which disappoints me. It's weird how he'll contradict himself at times. Also....don't you DARE call him racist. That would probably make his head explode.
Really, it's about Fox News and AM Talk radio that feeds him his motivations and talking points but they also subtly push people towards racist ideas. He's controlled by that shiz.
My dad blames my liberal college for brainwashing me (which is weird because I don't identify myself as left or right.....I have different feelings on different topics). The sad thing is he wasn't like this before I went to school. He was happy to have me going to school (don't think any men with my last name in his side of the family had finished school before me). But around the time Obama was running he made this weird shift to conservative talk Radio and followed Glenn Beck for all he did and soon enough Fox News was on the TV in the house all day long.
Now he can't start talking about anything without it getting back to "how the country is dying" and that we're going to need shotguns and food shelters and barricade our house......it's truly scary how much the media has controlled and changed him.
ITM! Are you my long lost brother?? Because you just described my father
My dad blames my liberal college for brainwashing me (which is weird because I don't identify myself as left or right.....I have different feelings on different topics). The sad thing is he wasn't like this before I went to school. He was happy to have me going to school (don't think any men with my last name in his side of the family had finished school before me). But around the time Obama was running he made this weird shift to conservative talk Radio and followed Glenn Beck for all he did and soon enough Fox News was on the TV in the house all day long.
Now he can't start talking about anything without it getting back to "how the country is dying" and that we're going to need shotguns and food shelters and barricade our house......it's truly scary how much the media has controlled and changed him.
ITM! Are you my long lost brother?? Because you just described my father
MINE TOO, to the tee. I think that's fairly common in the older generation these days.
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My parents lost it once Deval Patrick became Gov of Mass in 2006.
They despise Patrick, Obama, and Barney Frank. Became much more political and cynical after Patrick's election. Thankfully they don't watch Fox News, just get all the trickle down bullshit from more obnoxious relatives.
We need single payer universal health care, plain and simple. People before profit, care before the paycheck.
Yeah, and I need a suitcase full of $100 bills, front-row Jets season tickets for life, and Mila Kunis naked waiting for me at home. The only difference here is I actually have a remote chance of getting those things.
Well yeah, normal people don't want Jets season tickets, they happen to be Giants fans.
And I know single payer won't happen any time soon. Its just what is needed, not this Obamacare Romneycare shit.
Yeah, and I need a suitcase full of $100 bills, front-row Jets season tickets for life, and Mila Kunis naked waiting for me at home. The only difference here is I actually have a remote chance of getting those things.
Well yeah, normal people don't want Jets season tickets, they happen to be Giants fans.
And I know single payer won't happen any time soon. Its just what is needed, not this Obamacare Romneycare shiz.
I'll have you know that Giants and Jets season ticket waiting list are equally long and absurd, thank you.
It kills me how millions of idiots that will be helped by this ruling will fight like hell to get Romney into the presidency. Fox and Palin say it is so, so it must be true.
Post by Lawn Gnome on Jun 28, 2012 21:08:11 GMT -5
I'm happy with the court's ruling today. However, Chief Justice Roberts basically volleyed this back to the voters (as he should have) and November will decide the future of ACA. I just hope that Obama and the Democrats can do better than the sh*tty job they have done thus far of selling the law; Republicans have owned the public opinion of ACA, and that has to change.
The twitter was awesome this morning. I checked it for about 5 minutes just at the perfect time and witnessed the "it's struck down/no, wait it's upheld" clusterfuck. What an awesome day! Gloaters quickly turned into ill-tempered whiners.
It kills me how millions of idiots that will be helped by this ruling will fight like hell to get Romney into the presidency. Fox and Palin say it is so, so it must be true.
I think it is awfully close-minded to say that just because people do not support this iteration of health care reform that makes health care more accessible that they are idiots. It's this kind of hate filled rhetoric that crowds out honest discussion.
^ I don't consider his statement "hate-filled" rhetoric. The problem is that the majority of Americans are not fully educated on the topic, so their assumptions are based largely on whichever talking heads provide their sound bytes of information. Most never bother to educate themselves on the subtle nuances of the law and how it will affect them. Unfortunately, in today's society, the masses seem to criticize what they don't understand. Those who have more than a basic grasp of this law view it as positive, or at least a step in the right direction.
Oh, the perils of obtaining information solely from mainstream media...
^ I don't consider his statement "hate-filled" rhetoric. The problem is that the majority of Americans are not fully educated on the topic, so their assumptions are based largely on whichever talking heads provide their sound bytes of information. Most never bother to educate themselves on the subtle nuances of the law and how it will affect them. Unfortunately, in today's society, the masses seem to criticize what they don't understand. Those who have more than a basic grasp of this law view it as positive, or at least a step in the right direction.
Oh, the perils of obtaining information solely from mainstream media...
Tossing aside valid points about source of information, I think the dismissing of holders of a fairly reasonable political viewpoint as idiots perfectly fits my reaction.
I disagree with the bolded. The condescension from many on the left is so tired. There are plenty of rational, reasonable people that disagree with ACA's prescription for the ills of our healthcare system.
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The twitter was awesome this morning. I checked it for about 5 minutes just at the perfect time and witnessed the "it's struck down/no, wait it's upheld" clusterquack. What an awesome day! Gloaters quickly turned into ill-tempered whiners.
I loved all of the Twitter feeds on Buzzfeed of stupid righties proclaiming their intentions of moving to Canada out of disgust. I guess no one told them that Canada has robust socialized medicine...
That is wildly inaccurate. The same criteria they're using to say there is "no waiting list" for the Jets can be applied to the Giants. Both teams have those ridiculous $10k PSL seats still available.
Oh, the perils of obtaining information solely from mainstream media...
Tossing aside valid points about source of information, I think the dismissing of holders of a fairly reasonable political viewpoint as idiots perfectly fits my reaction.
I disagree with the bolded. The condescension from many on the left is so tired. There are plenty of rational, reasonable people that disagree with ACA's prescription for the ills of our healthcare system.
You're too young to have an opinion.
Jokes aside, I'll happily take the condescension of the left over the dumbing down from the right. Condescension at least indicates the existence of intelligence.
I think it is awfully close-minded to say that just because people do not support this iteration of health care reform that makes health care more accessible that they are idiots. It's this kind of hate filled rhetoric that crowds out honest discussion.
I don't know if this is what Quacker was referencing at all, but it may partly be that many people form their opinions based off the talking points of whatever news channel they frequent without bothering to really learn about the topic at hand. I like to use my administrative assistant for an example. We talk about politics sometimes just because I like to get opposing viewpoints. Yesterday, he said he wasn't terribly surprised at the verdict. He sees it all as part of our country's slide toward communism. He referred to the chief justice as untrustworthy as he has gone with the other side before. He also said that, due to the ruling, Obama will go down as the president with the highest tax rate ever in the industrialized world. What does he listen to all day? Limbaugh and whoever else is on the local conservative talk radio. I have not been keeping up with the healthcare debate, but I have pressed him on other topics before. When you get past the points he has heard on the radio, there is no real depth to any of his stances on anything. He just takes what he hears on the radio at face value and adopts that as his opinion. I think many have done this as well, and it appears to be a trend that follows through many political debates from both sides of popular political thought.
I think it is awfully close-minded to say that just because people do not support this iteration of health care reform that makes health care more accessible that they are idiots. It's this kind of hate filled rhetoric that crowds out honest discussion.
I don't know if this is what Quacker was referencing at all, but it may partly be that many people form their opinions based off the talking points of whatever news channel they frequent without bothering to really learn about the topic at hand. I like to use my administrative assistant for an example. We talk about politics sometimes just because I like to get opposing viewpoints. Yesterday, he said he wasn't terribly surprised at the verdict. He sees it all as part of our country's slide toward communism. He referred to the chief justice as untrustworthy as he has gone with the other side before. He also said that, due to the ruling, Obama will go down as the president with the highest tax rate ever in the industrialized world. What does he listen to all day? Limbaugh and whoever else is on the local conservative talk radio. I have not been keeping up with the healthcare debate, but I have pressed him on other topics before. When you get past the points he has heard on the radio, there is no real depth to any of his stances on anything. He just takes what he hears on the radio at face value and adopts that as his opinion. I think many have done this as well, and it appears to be a trend that follows through many political debates from both sides of popular political thought.
Part of the issue is everything is so adversarial. Your assistant saying that a judge being bipartisan is 'untrustworthy' and that he's "gone with the other side" are perfect examples of the mindset of many Americans today. It's all about winning/losing.
And you're right about there being people who just repeat other people's opinions as their own. It's sad, as I never speak up when I'm uninformed on something, and it's painfully obvious when someone equally uninformed is doing the opposite and speaking as if they're an expert on the subject.
It also doesn't help that the two parties know this and feed off of it and there's no real bipartisan news outlet to just tell it like it is.
I think it is awfully close-minded to say that just because people do not support this iteration of health care reform that makes health care more accessible that they are idiots. It's this kind of hate filled rhetoric that crowds out honest discussion.
I don't know if this is what Quacker was referencing at all, but it may partly be that many people form their opinions based off the talking points of whatever news channel they frequent without bothering to really learn about the topic at hand. I like to use my administrative assistant for an example. We talk about politics sometimes just because I like to get opposing viewpoints. Yesterday, he said he wasn't terribly surprised at the verdict. He sees it all as part of our country's slide toward communism. He referred to the chief justice as untrustworthy as he has gone with the other side before. He also said that, due to the ruling, Obama will go down as the president with the highest tax rate ever in the industrialized world. What does he listen to all day? Limbaugh and whoever else is on the local conservative talk radio. I have not been keeping up with the healthcare debate, but I have pressed him on other topics before. When you get past the points he has heard on the radio, there is no real depth to any of his stances on anything. He just takes what he hears on the radio at face value and adopts that as his opinion. I think many have done this as well, and it appears to be a trend that follows through many political debates from both sides of popular political thought.
There are plenty of people like this on both sides. I tend to, as I'm sure you do, encounter more of the conservative talk radio types because I've lived in the South and Midwest my whole life.
Saying Romney will win off the back of people that want to repeal the ACA is likely accurate. Calling those people idiot is the kind of shiz that is stupid as hell and counterproductive. That's just feeding into the tired pattern of regular condescension I regularly see from lefties. Anyone who doesn't agree with their political viewpoint must not be smart enough.
edit: and of course both parties feed off of this because we're fucked and nothing we can do can make us less fucked. i hope the dems raise enough money to get enough people elected to congress to ram down, what i feel is, the proper solutions to this countries problems because we're never going to have another honest discussion in the history of this country.